Stop Alien Abductions

6th

Just thought I would share this site with you guys and get your opinions on it: http://www.stopabductions.com/

Thought Screen Helmets:

The first thought screen helmets were made in 1998 and used aluminum foil. They were sent to an investigator in Iowa. The investigator reported that one user tried it for a short time with no results. Afterwards, the investigator could not be reached and the whereabouts of the helmets are unknown.

About 8 thought screens were made in early 1999 using a metalized plastic which is used in static shielding bags. Six users reported success but two users were overcome by telepathic commands from the aliens, removed the helmets and were taken.

From 1999 to 2007 over 100 people abducted by aliens have reported using thought screen helmets and hats made with Velostat. Since 1999 only two abductees were taken when they wore thought screen helmets with Velostat. Most of the other abductees using thought screen helmets reported success. Some abductees could not be reached after they tried their thought screen helmets.

ALIEN ABDUCTEE FROM AUSTRIA WEARING A THOUGHT SCREEN HELMET SHE MADE FROM DIRECTIONS ON THIS WEB SITE.

"I have been abducted by aliens for years and found stopabductions.com by a happy coincidence.

The Thought Screen Helmet, invented by an expert, has stopped the unwelcome visitations and has raised me and my family`s quality of life. Therefore I highly recommend it."

ALIEN ABDUCTEE FROM KENTUCKY WEARING A THOUGHT SCREEN HELMET

"Since trying Michael Menkin's Helmet, I have not been bothered by alien mind control. Now my thoughts are my own. I have achieved meaningful work and am contributing to society.

My life is better than ever before. Thank you Michael for the work you are doing to save all humanity."

monkeyfudge

She's pretty cute... I can see why aliens might want to abduct her.

6th

Also from the site:

The Telepathic War with the Aliens

By Michael Menkin

Throughout the history of the human race, wars were fought with bigger and better weapons. Muskets replaced bows and arrows, automatic rifles replaced single action ones, rockets replaced cannons, aircraft carriers replaced battleships, ballistic missiles replaced bombers, jet interceptors replaced propeller driven fighters. Weapons got more accurate, faster, with greater ranges of action and greater explosive power. In all of the wars until now, technology and numerical superiority determined victory. Superior technology, tactics and numerical strength were the key elements in warfare. All wars fought until now were "technology wars." Wars were technological superiority were decisive.


Since we are being invaded by an alien force from another world, we have a different kind of war. Our war with these beings is one of mind control, mind scan, and telepathic control, as reported by Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs and Raymond Fowler. I call this type of conflict "telepathic war" to differentiate if from a "technology war." A "telepathic war" uses telepathy as a weapon in addition to the machines of a "technology war." Until now, the creatures abducting us could do so at will: they could "switch off" people or render them powerless, manipulate people's thoughts and cause them to move against their will, project mental images to us, masquerade as a friendly or sexually attractive human, and scan our entire minds.


The "thought screen helmet" is our only defense in a "telepathic war." I call this device a "thought screen helmet" because it prevents aliens from performing any kind of mental control over us It blocks out all alien thought so humans can no longer be manipulated or controlled, and it prevents aliens from completing mental communication with us so people cannot be abducted.


The term "thought screen" is derived from the science fiction novels of Edward Elmer Smith, otherwise known as "Doc" Smith. Smith had his characters use "thought screens" to block out telepathic control. "Thought screens" were used in his novels as a defense to "telepathic war." With a working thought screen, fantasy has become reality. We can fight a "telepathic war."

stormkeeper

monkeyfudge wrote:

She's pretty cute... I can see why aliens might want to abduct her.

My thoughts exactly.


But yeah, I have to wonder how something like a "Thought Screen Helmet" could protect against alien technology, although... in Mars Attacks! the aliens were defeated by country music, so i guess the possibility exists.

6th

Is there any chance of discussing this without taking the piss?

stormkeeper

That wasn't taking the piss per se, I was conceding that it's possible that those thought screen helmets might work, although if you want me to be honest, I do have my doubts as to if it actually works or not...

LostinBlanch

Well I saw the headline and thought. . . . "that's a good idea"

Then I opened the thread and wondered if I was reading something from the onion or some similar site.

Zillah

6th wrote:

Is there any chance of discussing this without taking the piss?

Would you like to kick off a serious discussion then? Because, to be quite honest, we're talking about people who are living the ultimate wacko stereotype: Tinfoil hat wearers. I'm not sure what there is to say really.

GuanYin

Several things.

1. She's nothing special
2. 6th, I laughed at your sig, probably not for the reason you might expect.
3. 6th, it's amusing that you thought piss was on thebanlist
4. Zillah, I'm just trying to figure out how long to ban you for.

This has been a public service announcement.

stormkeeper

I'm afraid that you may find it difficult for anyone to take that site really seriously... the funny thing is I wasn't even attempting to take the piss... if I really wanted to take the piss, I could think of many things to say, I'm sure...

And because anyone nowadays can make a website, register a domain name and get hosting, I tend to be iffy about a lot of things on the internet to be honest. I've seen some quite crazy stuff online in my time to be honest...

monkeyfudge

A google for Velostat shows that it's primary use seems to be as a 21st century equivalent of the tin foil hat.

Surely if someone had been abducted multiple times the aliens would have put an implant in them, and so wouldn't need to read their thoughts in order to abduct them.

nitefox

Zillah wrote:

Would you like to kick off a serious discussion then? Because, to be quite honest, we're talking about people who are living the ultimate wacko stereotype: Tinfoil hat wearers. I'm not sure what there is to say really.

Hi 6th and Zillah and everybody how are ye?. First of all i think it is a good topic and the dude the that made hat's was on the fm104 openmick on sunday's that was on a good few moth's ago what i thinked about it and him was a bit crazy but if people have been abducted and they got hat or made it and works than for them that's great. I think that if people did test on it and did it sciencetifly might say yes it works or if it failue it we say it is just crazy to belife, and 2nd to Zillah when started a new topic and it was on something else and you said it was not the right way of doing report or reseach and it is for people to up there reports or reseach or just talk about sry if just went off the topic ok. Ya she is hot.

Zillah

psi wrote:

4. Zillah, I'm just trying to figure out how long to ban you for.

Ow! I meant well.

6th

Zillah wrote:

Would you like to kick off a serious discussion then? Because, to be quite honest, we're talking about people who are living the ultimate wacko stereotype: Tinfoil hat wearers. I'm not sure what there is to say really.

Yes I would like to kick off a serious discussion on it actually.

Aliens aren't really my usual area of interest but the thing about this site is the claims that these helmets protect againts "telepathic attacks".

What I wonder is that does it just stops these psychic influences entering the mind or would it affect people using their own "gifts"?

It would be interesting to make one of these and get someone who does spirit work to try and see if it affects them receiving communications from external energies?

What would be interesting is that it might show whether the source of psychic communications is housed in the brain/head or an external thing (like in a layer of the aura)?

stormkeeper wrote:

I'm afraid that you may find it difficult for anyone to take that site really seriously... the funny thing is I wasn't even attempting to take the piss... if I really wanted to take the piss, I could think of many things to say, I'm sure...

And because anyone nowadays can make a website, register a domain name and get hosting, I tend to be iffy about a lot of things on the internet to be honest. I've seen some quite crazy stuff online in my time to be honest...

I am so disappointed by this attitude to be honest. The attitude between alot of the people on this forum is that we are just normal/regular people and we try to show that its normal people who experience these things.

Here we have 2 examples of people who experience something that, though different to our "normal" paranormal experiences, aren't really any more far out than some of the stuff discussed on here.

They claim that external forces are interacting with them and influencing their lives, how is that any different to claims of possession, angels and poltergeist activity?

If people dont like a topic they dont have to post on it, commenting for the sake of commenting is very common in here and ridiculing a topic and its believers isn't something I expect from forum regulars, especially when they themselves make fantastic claims and hold amazing beliefs.

psi wrote:

Several things.

1. She's nothing special
2. 6th, I laughed at your sig, probably not for the reason you might expect.
3. 6th, it's amusing that you thought piss was on thebanlist
4. Zillah, I'm just trying to figure out how long to ban you for.

1. She's pretty but unfortunately people on here would rather discuss that rather than her experiences which have obvious affected her life and how she lives it.
2. People seem to think I made that sig oblivious to the double meaning .... please, I'm 6th remember.
3. What can I say, I still giggle when I say bum.
4. Make a poll and we can vote

LoLth

Are you even sure she was abducted ? I mean you talk about her harrowing ordeal. Is there any proof that she has had experiences that have obviously affected her life (apart from the fact that she feels the need to wear a brain shield of course) or this "kentucky man" . She could be the website owner's daughter for all we know. Kentucky guy could be a friend of his. Not one piece of verifiable data is provided on that site.

The brain shield hat thing....

right, a picture of a meter and some random reading proves that the helmet is blocking alien mind control beams. and these arent radio waves or microwaves of terrestial origin ?

Velostat is an insulating agent. as said previously, the C21 version of tinfoil (I wonder if you can make axes out of it - hobbes might know). I sincerely doubt any alien intelligence is going to travel light years using advanced technology and go "damn, foiled!!! lets go home".

The hat covers the top of your head and I assume your ears. What about the eyes, face etc. Surely telepathy would work better through the eyes , nostrils mouth or any other opening that bypasses the skull.

All in all the website says absolutely nothing. Everything (and I do mean everyhting) is captioned with wishy washy phrases (may be alien, might help, possibly dangerous). there are references to items that we should jsut take on faith "the full picture has an area 51 tag that you cant see in this pic and the surroundings are chain link fence that may be the type used by the military" not a direct quote but WTF ??

His other site is just as vague and impossible to find any definitive statement of fact that isnt qualified with a "possibly" "maybe" "perhaps" etc.

Personally I think its a turgid pile of excrement.

On another note: you posted the link (thank you by the way) and asked for people's opinions. Dont be upset when people take the piss. Personally I do think its laughable - and yes I have read accounts of alien abduction and I do agree that there is something as yet unexplained - be it mass hypnosis, mind playing tricks on itself, desperate cries to be different or actual little grey men messing with our heads in some cosmic practical joke - and I cannot blame other posters for making a laugh of the site. I think the level of serious replies to this thread (apart from no punctuation guy who writes like he talks really really fast) is a definite statement on the believability of the claims on that site.

monkeyfudge

LoLth wrote:

I sincerely doubt any alien intelligence is going to travel light years using advanced technology and go "damn, foiled!!! lets go home".

Not foiled... velostated!

I would have also thought that most believers in extraterrestrials would want to be abducted so they could have their beliefs validated, so why would they make a hat to prevent aliens from making contact with them?

LoLth

I believe in people that sell other people on the black market , doesnt mean I want to be abducted by them......

Maybe there's good aliens and bad aliens. Also, in this case I think they believe in aliens because they were abducted and not the other way around. the hats would suggest that it wasnt a fun thing to happen. Their beliefs would only be validated if someone else saw them beign abducted and got a photo which could be examined and proven to be beyond a shadow of a doubt a possible unidentified object.

By the way, would these hats not stop peple from fighting in this telepathic war ? surely by this duck and cover method we're just reducing the number of people aware of the war and thus capable fo fighting on the side of humanity.

or perhaps I should just go and read e.e doc smiths books and see how this telepathic war will turn out.

Of course, another explaination could be that they dont actually get abducted by aliens but the hat does reduce the RF (much like a faraday cage ) reaching their brain which is harmelss to most people but they are super sensitive to due to some genetic defect or perhaps genetic evolution. This sensitivity to RF causses them to have "white outs" - where periods of time are lost and possibly suffer hallucinations. Perhaps the people even black out and fall, hurting themselves in the process. Why does this happen only when there are no witnesses? simple, when there is someone else in the vicinity the RF load is shared between them and the sensitive brain receives a reduced dosage orperhaps when there are other people around the brain is occupied and producing chemicals that inhibit the white/blackout result of RF exposure.

nah, thats too far fetched. Aliens are much more believable than a leap of biological reasoning.....

6th

What I am saying is:

1. Lets take a look at and see how it can be applied to other areas of the Paranormal

2. For a forum that has posters who believe in amazing phenomenon and ask that people respect their beliefs some posters have outrightly treated tthese people in the same way the hate to be treated themselves - without even looking at it in any detail. Very hypocritical.

What I am not saying is:

1. That I believe anything on those sight or that people should believe it without taking time to concider what their claims.

6th

LoLth wrote:

I believe in people that sell other people on the black market , doesnt mean I want to be abducted by them......

Maybe there's good aliens and bad aliens. Also, in this case I think they believe in aliens because they were abducted and not the other way around. the hats would suggest that it wasnt a fun thing to happen. Their beliefs would only be validated if someone else saw them beign abducted and got a photo which could be examined and proven to be beyond a shadow of a doubt a possible unidentified object.

By the way, would these hats not stop peple from fighting in this telepathic war ? surely by this duck and cover method we're just reducing the number of people aware of the war and thus capable fo fighting on the side of humanity.

or perhaps I should just go and read e.e doc smiths books and see how this telepathic war will turn out.

Of course, another explaination could be that they dont actually get abducted by aliens but the hat does reduce the RF (much like a faraday cage ) reaching their brain which is harmelss to most people but they are super sensitive to due to some genetic defect or perhaps genetic evolution. This sensitivity to RF causses them to have "white outs" - where periods of time are lost and possibly suffer hallucinations. Perhaps the people even black out and fall, hurting themselves in the process. Why does this happen only when there are no witnesses? simple, when there is someone else in the vicinity the RF load is shared between them and the sensitive brain receives a reduced dosage orperhaps when there are other people around the brain is occupied and producing chemicals that inhibit the white/blackout result of RF exposure.

nah, thats too far fetched. Aliens are much more believable than a leap of biological reasoning.....

See I really like this post and it shows you have more to ad than just say its a pile of crap. You put forward something for people to concider rather than dismiss it outright.

As for ther hats stopping people from fight in the telepathis war, I thought that myself. Its a very defensive manauver but what about some offence?

monkeyfudge

Although using the hat could be like when martial artists wear weights when they are training.... They train to a point where they are comfortable and fast moving around with the weights on, and then when they take the weights off their speed and ability is greatly increased.

Perhaps wearing one of these hats while trying to develop your psychic abilities could work in the same way.

LoLth

ok, I've just had a quick read through the other site owned by this guy....

http://www.aliensandchildren.org/


aliens are just a bit crap really. For example they are not as nimble as humans which means:

"Less dexterous than humans. One abductee foiled an abduction by having her husband wrap her with string and subsequently hiding the scissors. The aliens could not remove the string and did not take her. Aliens have not been able to remove a thought screen helmet secured with tape or string. "

and yet (on the same page!) it is claimed that they can:
"Travel in our atmosphere at speeds of 100, 000 mph (160,900 km/hr). "

Thats sort of like the Daleks being defeated by a staircase (though I think they hovered in that episode) or the snakemen from mars being defeated because without opposable thumbs they couldnt get into our houses to kill us in our sleep.....

I would suggest that if there is to be any form of debate on this subject matter, i can only be serious if any and all references to that site is banned. seriously. it *has* to be a joke......

kshiel

I dont know much or anything about Aliens but I am not going to discount what it seems like a lot of people have experienced or try and debate if Aliens exist or not but what I found interesting is the question can these helmets stop telepathic communcations with say people who have/claim to have psychic or medium abilities or a whole other range of paranormal experiences?

I would like to see it tried out in some location say we have been in like Ross Castle, where I know I have had some not so pleasant experiences and see if it would block out anything :rolleyes: Although I'd have to find the hum hum to go back first:D

Oryx

First, Im going wildly off topic:
On reading this thread I had to wonder has 6th been abducted and a serious, thoughtful, humour free clone left in his place?

But on to the actual topic

I have a prejudice when it comes to the whole tinfoil hat thing, as Zillah says it IS subject of many a p!ss take, and its hard to put that to one side and keep the necessary open mind. Yes, I am subjected to similar prejudices, but I wouldnt accept any paranormal claims without analysing them first to see if there could be a rational explanation. I realise this thread requires serious discussion, I just thought it best to mention my mindset on the whole thing at the beginning.

I think there could easily be and almost certainly is such a thing as telepathy, and it could be used as a weapon, theoretically. And aliens could be visiting and abducting us, who knows?
My problem with the way this site puts its ideas across. It is mixing up all kinds of supposition and putting it forward as fact. How do we know 'grays' absorb nutrients thru their skin? How do they know any of this stuff about them?

And the thought screens were first mentioned in the novels of E.E. Smith....fiction, in other words. Im sure Mr Menkin has all of the finest intentions and believes completely in what he is saying, but mixing fiction, supposition and vague fact do not make for a convincing argument. And in fairness lumps anyone who may have been abducted for real in with all the cranks, and all the more unbelievable.

And on to the helmets.... if a tinfoil hat could protect your brainwaves, couldnt a nice metal car do the same thing? And arent people still abducted in their cars?

Zillah

I think its a very hard area to discuss.

Its been well established that at least 90% of abductions do not involve people physically leaving their room, people have been observed throughout the entire experience, it manifests more like a particular form of graphic nightmare or night terror than anything else. The only reason I say at least 90% is becuase there are people who claim to be abducted and have not been observed. Personally I suspect theirs is the same thing but my sceptical nature works both ways, I can't neccessarily rule out that 10%. Although I'd be very suprised if the majority of abductees weren't just people who frequently experience sleep paralysis.

So if we work on the assumption (for now) that the experience is being created within the subject's own brain then its not suprising that a tinfoil hat protects them, because if this is the case then anything that they believe will protect them will do so. It also explains why the aliens that LoLth describes above act so strangely, its perfect dream logic: Hide the scissors and they can't cut the string.

As for 6th's idea to test it on regular psychics, the problem is that we would have to document how successful they usually are and see if there is a drop. Otherwise we'd just be relying on their own impressions, and even if we accept that they have psychic powers, the very nature of such would make it likely that they'd feel awkward with a tinfoil hat on their head, regardless of whether the hat has a real psychic effect or not. For example, Katie, would you not find it difficult to focus/visualise if you had a physical barrier wrapped around your head?

stormkeeper

KtK wrote:

I have a prejudice when it comes to the whole tinfoil hat thing, as Zillah says it IS subject of many a p!ss take, and its hard to put that to one side and keep the necessary open mind. Yes, I am subjected to similar prejudices, but I wouldnt accept any paranormal claims without analysing them first to see if there could be a rational explanation. I realise this thread requires serious discussion, I just thought it best to mention my mindset on the whole thing at the beginning.

I'm very much the same way... this will prevent me from being able to take this thing seriously. In fact, I stated above other reasons why I'd fail to be able to take this seriously.

I think there could easily be and almost certainly is such a thing as telepathy, and it could be used as a weapon, theoretically. And aliens could be visiting and abducting us, who knows?

Well, I do think there's a possibility for the above. My mum potentially had an abduction experience, which I'll talk about a bit later. Also, with regards to telepathy and related stuff, although it's fiction, I have seen examples of mind control being used in computer games, namely Red Alert 2 and the UFO series, of which the first game features the 'grays', which are known as Sectoids in the game. If I recall however, the only defense against it was to have a high psionic defense, rather than using tin foil hats.

My problem with the way this site puts its ideas across. It is mixing up all kinds of supposition and putting it forward as fact. How do we know 'grays' absorb nutrients thru their skin? How do they know any of this stuff about them?

I agree with you... that particular bit of information is merely conjectual, rather than fact. That said however, it could perhaps be possible, given the sort of atmosphere on the planet the 'grays' originate from, although we have not seen conclusive evidence of this fact.

And the thought screens were first mentioned in the novels of E.E. Smith....fiction, in other words. Im sure Mr Menkin has all of the finest intentions and believes completely in what he is saying, but mixing fiction, supposition and vague fact do not make for a convincing argument. And in fairness lumps anyone who may have been abducted for real in with all the cranks, and all the more unbelievable.

That's kind of why I failed to take any of the site with an appropriate amount of seriousness. Like I said, anyone can put information up online... and you'll always find someone else sharing the same belief too. I'm of the opinion that just because it is online doesn't mean it's certifiable truth. The effect of the Information Age is again, that anyone can write about and publish stuff online. This is both good and bad in equal measure, but this may or may not be beyond the scope of the discussion, although I do think it holds some relevance (sp?) to the discussion myself.

And on to the helmets.... if a tinfoil hat could protect your brainwaves, couldnt a nice metal car do the same thing? And arent people still abducted in their cars?

I didn't think about that, but it does make sense...

ghosthunter73

Is this post a joke or what???? Alien Abduction.........hold on let me go get mine ......not she is cute though

kshiel

A lot of people seem to be taking this thread as a joke so to speak, while the website may be crap to most, isn't the discussion on alien abduction a topic which could be discussed. I have said it that I know nothing about aliens or how the whole thing works but thats not to say i wouldn't read or listen to other peoples experience or knowledge on the subject.