10 pack of cigs banned from tomorrow

nobodythere

I think I've got my facts right, 10 packs are out tomorrow.

Genuine effort to stop young people smoking (department of health)

or genuine effort to get people to smoke more (department of finance).

Duggy747

A bit of both I believe, department of health want to see fags gone and the other departments would be delighted to help since the revenue coming in from 20's will be, how they say it, fùckin' fantastic!

Absolute morons thinking that banning 10s will somehow magically curb young people from buying them. Eh, correct me if I'm wrong, but if one kid has a 20 box isn't he going to be more inclined to dish them out to his mates? And there's the obvious form of young people gathering together to buy fags, AND the fact fags can't be sold to under 18's. I'm sick to death of the department of health and others getting the final say on public policy

tolosenc

Them and chocolate smokes. Damn.

Cake Fiend

grasshopa wrote:

Genuine effort to stop young people smoking (department of health)

or genuine effort to get people to smoke more (department of finance).

A genuine effort to stop young people smoking would start with stricter enforcement of laws in place to stop the sale of tobacco to children (with undercover spot-checks etc if possible).

As usual, our circus of a government comes up with a laughable 'solution' to a problem that any moron can find fault with.

LegacyUser

i love the way that this came in a week or so AFTER an election. :rolleyes: :mad: arseholes.........

Wishbone Ash

Spogpean wrote:

i love the way that this came in a week or so AFTER an election. :rolleyes: :mad: arseholes.........

The date was set many months ago long before a General Election was announced. :rolleyes:

Anyway, the banning of packs of 10 would be a positive not negative policy for a sitting Government. :cool:

Rb

Lol @ the people who voted back in these retards. I can't decide who is more retarded, our Government or those who gave them their vote...

Anyway,their silly idea won't work, kids will split the price of 20 packs. It's a real inconvenience to those who only smoked 10 a day though (adults), now they're stuck buying 20 packs and will more than likely end up smoking more.

Wishbone Ash

Cake Fiend wrote:

As usual, our circus of a government comes up with a laughable 'solution' to a problem that any moron can find fault with.

AFAIK Ireland and Britain are the only two countries in the world when 10s were available. By your logic all other countries have "laughable solutions". :rolleyes:

homah_7ft

rb_ie wrote:

Lol @ the people who voted back in these retards. I can't decide who is more retarded, our Government or those who gave them their vote...

Anyway,their silly idea won't work, kids will split the price of 20 packs. It's a real inconvenience to those who only smoked 10 a day though (adults), now they're stuck buying 20 packs and will more than likely end up smoking more.

Or they might give them up. Who knows.

Rb

homah_7ft wrote:

Or they might give them up. Who knows.

My money's on them smoking more. They'll attempt to ration the 20 between two days, end up smoking more than 10 as they're there, then running out the next day and getting 20 more etc.

Wishbone Ash

rb_ie wrote:

I can't decide who is more retarded

Smokers?

Judt

Well I know very few under 18's who currently buy 20 packs. In fact, they usually scrape together the money for a ten pack between a couple of them. So in that regard, yes, I do see it working as part of the overall strategy to stop people from picking up the habit, and helping those with it to quit.

I think you have to ask yourself this question: By banning 10 packs, do we prevent more people from taking up smoking (youngens, mainly) than we perhaps (and only perhaps, as it is all speculation) make diehard smokers out of? I know very few smokers on ten a day who didn't go to twenty and beyond anyways over the years.

Rb

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Smokers?

Hrmm, am I sensing a Fianna Fail voter?

Wishbone Ash

rb_ie wrote:

Hrmm, am I sensing a Fianna Fail voter?

:eek: Never

6th

rb_ie wrote:

kids will split the price of 20 packs.

It will teach kids to work together, so its a good thing.

delta_bravo

Gemini packs will be on sale soon which are a 20 pack with 2 x 10 pack segments inside a pack

marco murphy

delta_bravo wrote:

Gemini packs will be on sale soon which are a 20 pack with 2 x 10 pack segments inside a pack

They are currently on sale and they are nothing more than a solution to get rid of the 10 boxes still in circulation.

delta_bravo

Poblachtach wrote:

They are currently on sale and they are nothing more than a solution to get rid of the 10 boxes still in circulation.

No, 10 boxes left will be returned to the cigarette companies.

DublinWriter

rb_ie wrote:

My money's on them smoking more. They'll attempt to ration the 20 between two days, end up smoking more than 10 as they're there, then running out the next day and getting 20 more etc.

Great point well made.

I heard some numpty representing what ever federation the newsagents belong to on Newstalk a few weeks ago saying how his members applaud the scheme.

...of course they feckin' would! This will almost double their sales *and* be something like 20 less items of stock they have to inventory.

If they were really serious about kids and smoking they would introduce some national programme to be brought into 1st/2nd years at second level. Oh, but that will cost money.

The 'tax and ban' strategy of this government is really the last resort of the clueless.

angelbaby

genuine effort to get people to smoke more so they can make more money!!!

Wishbone Ash

#Elites wrote:

10 packs where nice, felt good in the pocket

...but are nearly always stale!

bonkey

Wishbone Ash wrote:

AFAIK Ireland and Britain are the only two countries in the world when 10s were available. By your logic all other countries have "laughable solutions". :rolleyes:

Unless other countries have implemented a "no tens" law and shown that its successful then I don't know what you're rolling your eyes for.

That they don't have tens is neither here nor there. The issue is whether or not the existence of tens leads to higher incidents of smoking.

If the incidence of underage smpoking is higher in Ireland and Britain, then there is a correlation. While only an idiot would mistake correlation for causation, there is at least hte beginnings of a case there.

If on the other hand, there is nothing to show that 10s do, in fact, lead to a higher incidence of smoking, then its a typical be-seen-to-do-something easy-to-implement non-solution that governments around the world excel at.

What amuses me most, though, is the people heaping scorn on the government who's research appears to be no more than figuring out what their personal opinion is.

Although let me guess...its OK for Joe Bloggs to just talk ****e, but when its the people the Joe Bloggs of the nation elect, they're expected to do something else.

Wibbs

What Bonkey wrote ^^ Nail on the head.

Bottle_of_Smoke

James McKenna - Class president & year rep for 3rd year in Mount Temple Comprehensive welcomes the ban on 10 pack cigarettes.

"I'm confident this will be the icebreaker of the new generation. I mean you can get a 10 pack for the price of your lunch & smoke them on your own, but it's just too expensive for a 15 year old to get a 20 pack.... This means to get smokes we'll have to go halves on 20 packs"

When suggested it might curb people from continuing to smoke James advised "no, nicotine's actually an addictive substance, you find a way"

James believes having to "go halves" will help more people get to know each other, "If you buy smokes with someone you'll probably smoke with them too. Then you get chatting - might even get some non smokers to take up to avoid feeling left out."

Sawa

Poblachtach wrote:

They are currently on sale and they are nothing more than a solution to get rid of the 10 boxes still in circulation.

The Gemini packs are actually two soft packets of 10s which both fit within a harder case. At the moment you can only get them in Silk Cut Purple and B&H

gizmo

Now while I don't consider myself a "serious" smoker (I can hear my mates sniggering already) this will actually stop me smoking as well as some other part time smokers I know. Wheres €3.60 or so was grand on the way out and didn't really put a dent in the wallet having to pay €7 or more isn't something I'd be willing to do.

Of course most people who are serious smokers don't buy 20 packs so I don't really see it having that much of an effect in the grand scheme of things.

Flashraziel

Does anyone know what the story is with 15's of John Player Blue?
Some places say the ban is on 10's and others say its on packs of less that 20.

delta_bravo

Flashraziel wrote:

Does anyone know what the story is with 15's of John Player Blue?
Some places say the ban is on 10's and others say its on packs of less that 20.

No 15's are ok. AFAIK anyway, well ill be selling them tomorrow

Max_Damage

This is just more proof that we live in a nanny state.

"Don't do this, don't do that..."

Tar.Aldarion

Your government, whic the people ovted in are there to help you from yourselves.
Down with cigarette candy.

Duggy747

Eurgh, I know fags are muck for me but I still smoke cuz it helps me relax after a long day. Banning packs of 10 is not going to go like the smoking ban; ie, people will actually realise it was for the better. If anything the fines for selling fags to underage punks should've dramatically increased, underage people have no problems getting fags.

ruprect

People will just go splits on 20's, thats what everybody I know used to do when we were young in pubs that only sold 20s in machines....

toiletduck

Wow, what a great idea! Just like the time they brought in that law restricting the minimum amount of beer a person could buy in an effort to stop underage drinking...

anniehoo

rb_ie wrote:

It's a real inconvenience to those who only smoked 10 a day though (adults), now they're stuck buying 20 packs and will more than likely end up smoking more.

I agree...a pack of 10 would last me 2 or 3 days and i notice whenever ive bought 20 i smoke twice as much (just cos theyre there)! I purposely only ever bought a 10 pack for this reason. I do *vaguely* understand the logic behind banning them, but €7 or not, kids have more money these days than i did growing up so if theyre going to smoke this aint goin to stop them!

seamus

I don't know. It seems kind of stupid, but I have heard claims that when the same exercise was undertaken in the U.S., the incidence of underage smoking declined.

The only two main things I can see is that it may discourage younger people from starting in the first place - €7 is still a fair whack when you're 14.
It may also stop casual smokers too, as pointed out above. Someone who only smokes when they drink mightn't be as bothered to buy a 20 pack if they're only going to smoke five that evening. Although it could also cause people to smoke more.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Jonesy3110

Hey Im just glad there doing something about smoking!

I hope some day it will just be banned altogether

Macca07

Flashraziel wrote:

Does anyone know what the story is with 15's of John Player Blue?
Some places say the ban is on 10's and others say its on packs of less that 20.

as far as i know 15's are gone aswell, only allowed to sell 20's from now on

5starpool

It's great the way people overreact at these small things. All the people who say that we live in a Nanny state, go and live somewhere else if you don't like it. They are preventing a different portion size of a product being sold, not preventing the product being sold.

Grow up for god sake.

Tar.Aldarion

They should sell them in packs of 200+ imo.

ROCKMAN

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

They should sell them in packs of 200+ imo.

They do
€40 PER 200PACK, €4 PER 20..... GOD BLESS THE BLACK MARKET..

Tar.Aldarion

I mean only.