Callable? (.50/1)

peeko

Villain is losing a TAG, who claims to be a pro player. I doubt he is doing it for a living on iPoker anyways.



Green Joker Poker Caltanissetta 0.50/1, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button het123het ($120)
SB grizbaz ($57.70)
BB cliffsteroidi ($57.30)
UTG traveestah ($38.45)
UTG+1 Iceage12122 ($104.80)
CO Hero ($95.50)

Preflop: Hero is in the CO with Qs Qh
2 folds, Hero raises to 3.50, het123het raises to 10, 2 folds, Hero calls 6.50.

Flop (21.50) Td 9s Js
Hero bets 15, het123het raises to 110

Should I call here knowing he's more than likely got AA or KK?


PS Lads the converter is looking real good.

Mr.Plough

meh

probably lay it down considering hes a tag and his 3betting range is very small

edit - if he gos around saying "look at me, im a pro" hes probably an idiot so i could call aswell

El Stuntman

if you put him on AA, you have 40% equity in the hand....

lol at an alleged pro playing .50/1

ianmc38

El Stuntman wrote:

lol at an alleged pro playing .50/1

You'd be surprised! There were loads of grinders at .50/1 on Tribeca when i played a ton of .50/1.

I'd call heregetting nearly 2-1.

bops

i call anyways but i run sick goot atm

ollyk1

Is AA not the best case scenario here (apart from the other two Queens)??. I

If he has KK our equity is significantly reduced and if he has 99-JJ he has a redraw against our straight draw.

I don't like the $15 lead on the flop particularly because we're making it very tight to call the shove. For me you should either commit to the hand with a full pot bet or you check and I prefer a check.

I'd say we're a little under 30% against his hand range so I'd say its a marginally tight fold as played.

peeko

ollyk1 wrote:

I don't like the $15 lead on the flop particularly because we're making it very tight to call the shove. For me you should either commit to the hand with a full pot bet or you check and I prefer a check.

are you implying that if he will call/raise 15, he will do so with 20 too? And if he makes that type of reraise when I've made it 20 I'm getting better odds to call instead of when I only made if 15?

after thinking about it all day I think I should have just checked. it was a pretty silly thing to raise this guy, I dont think he reraises with AK or AQ preflop. AA was the best I could hope for, and KK killed 2 of my outs.

I called, he had KK and I didn't improve. I don't like the way I played this at all.

Gus Ivey

how does the villian view you?

if you have been raising a lot of pots your range could be quite big : 99 - JJ, 78,910,J10, J9 or KQ...

If your willing to call his all-in bet, why not CR him and tight player might muck his over pair?? if he calls you still got outs

valor

dont bet the flop

TacT

El Stuntman wrote:

if you put him on AA, you have 40% equity in the hand....

lol at an alleged pro playing .50/1

it was good enough for me to earn a living for the best part of 2 years on tribeca..

El Stuntman

TacT wrote:

it was good enough for me to earn a living for the best part of 2 years on tribeca..

wow, I apologise

rough numbers though - what's 'a living' (to the nearest €10k p.a.)?

people's ideas of 'a living' may be very different - I know even if I played ludicrous hours, 4-tabling at my usual BB/100 rate, there's no way I could earn a living at .50/1

not being nosy, more interested if that makes sense

Ste05

I think it's a fold now really, I reckon you have about 35% equity, possibly a little less if his range is JJ/KK/AA which it probably is. If my maths is right the pot will be 121.50 and it'll be ~70 to call, meaning you need to have about 43% equity in the pot to breakeven.

Personally I'd have either bet more committing myself to the pot or check and see what he did with the intention of a CRAI.

phantom_lord

don't donk the flop.

insafehands

valor wrote:

dont bet the flop

phantom_lord wrote:

don't donk the flop.

No offence guys, but there's no point saying things like this without giving a reason.

EDIT: Why not bet 15? Seems like a perfectly normal bet to me...

phantom_lord

there's no reason to bet the flop, you're not getting any value. and he got 3bet pf.

insafehands

Were there not only 2 bets? I get confused with the 3/4 bet thing in NL... Or do you include the bb?

phantom_lord

bb counts a bet, so pf a 3bet is a reraise of a raise.
post flop, 3betting is "raise, reraise, re re raise"

TacT

El Stuntman wrote:

wow, I apologise

rough numbers though - what's 'a living' (to the nearest €10k p.a.)?

people's ideas of 'a living' may be very different - I know even if I played ludicrous hours, 4-tabling at my usual BB/100 rate, there's no way I could earn a living at .50/1

not being nosy, more interested if that makes sense

€400+ per week

phantom_lord

tax free too.

El Stuntman

TacT wrote:

€400+ per week

so call it 20k p.a.

that's not even close to the average industrial wage after tax, you must have very low outgoings?

phantom_lord

actually, i was on like 360 or something last year during the summer when i had a min wage job.

Ste05

El Stuntman wrote:

rough numbers though - what's 'a living' (to the nearest €10k p.a.)?

people's ideas of 'a living' may be very different - I know even if I played ludicrous hours, 4-tabling at my usual BB/100 rate, there's no way I could earn a living at .50/1

not being nosy, more interested if that makes sense

My current Win rate of ~7 PTBB/100 at 1/2 earns me about $60/ table hour. If you take the average working week of 37.5 hours 48 weeks a year, that equates to 1800 hours a year. At that rate you could earn $108,000/ year (~€80,000/year). If you 4 table it works out at only ~9.5 hours a week.

I suppose if you half the amount it works out as ~€40,000 a year 4 tabling .50/1 and having a PTBB/100 of 7. (add in RB and I'm sure you would make at least another 1 PTBB/100) Not terribly difficult to do or too off the wall. I'd think a win rate of something like 5 would probably be more sustainable in the long run, but I think you could earn a semi decent wage (i.e. around the average industrial wage) playing .50/1. Your long term prospects would be seriously hampered though and I know I wouldn't fancy it myself.

Iago

avg ind wage is around the €400 mark after tax and prsi are taken into consideration. When you consider the savings made from less petrol/transport costs, lunches etc. you could be 12-20% better off playing poker at .50/1...


...if you could consistently make €400+ a week, every week

/that doesn't include RB, bonus whoring etc

phantom_lord

you'd be better off getting a job if you were only making 400yoyos a week playing poker.

GrangeUtd

El Stuntman wrote:

so call it 20k p.a.

that's not even close to the average industrial wage after tax, you must have very low outgoings?

I would presume you would be claiming the Maggie Thatcher aswell,
which is about 10,000 a year.

So that would be a take home of 600 a week.

thats a decent wage and above the industial average i would think!

TacT

El Stuntman wrote:

so call it 20k p.a.

that's not even close to the average industrial wage after tax, you must have very low outgoings?

average wage here is circa €1200

Iago

TacT wrote:

average wage here is circa €1200

average industrial wage here is around the €600 per week mark, circa €31K per annum.

but when you take into account how much money you'll be handing out every month on bills etc, i'm guessing you want to be taking home at least €800+ a week from poker to make it worthwhile and cover the weeks where you don't run so good.

edit: source added http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/current/indearn.pdf

El Stuntman

all interesting stuff

now for my final question - if you earned €20k p/a for two years playing .50/1, why the hell didn't you move up levels????

TacT

because I suck, I withdrew all winnings from a measly 10 buyin roll, spent too much money on junk and when I did move up levels, ended up decimating the roll while chasing losses a couple of times. I quit in January of this year and got a job.

I do miss it though, it was good while it lasted, here's an average month and a month of tilt/sillyness. All money did not come from pure cash play. I had a couple of nice tourney placings that bumped me up nicely too.