thumped in face by schoolgirl! Need to know which school uniform was from.

Jen199

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me.

Yesterday, at about 1.30pm as I was getting onto the Luas at James Hospital, a girl (approx aged 15) thumped me in the face. By the time I realised what had happened she was off. I didn't want to get off the train as she had a big gang of friends with her and I was worried they would kill me.

She did it for no reason at all - was laughing to her friends saying - am after thumping your one in the face ha ha.

To make it worse, I am recovering from having 3 wisdom teeth removed and she caused ny stiches to rupture.

Anyway, I would know her if I seen her. I am trying to track down the school as I intend to press charges against her. More just so she is made accountable for her actions.

She came on the red line from the tallaght direction and got off at the hospital. She was wearing a beige jumper, with a green crest. A green skirt (possibly checked) with bottle green tights. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks
J

DarkJager

No more Steven Seagal moves please.

Dub13

Kimbot

http://www.loretocrumlin.ie/home.html

Possibly??

Jen199

I think you are right. They can get on at rialto. thanks a million.

kkposse

check with arnotts, they do all the school uniforms....:D

Cake Fiend

You should have spoken to the driver to see if you could arrange for the police to view the surveillance footage. This might still be an option - get in touch with the Luas head office straight away.

tbh

let us know how you get on. It must have been upsetting for you, hope you feel better soon.

Jen199

I just spoke to the deputy headmaster of the school who is going to try and track her down. I've also spoken to the police who are going to try and get the cctv footage. I'll let you know.

Thanks
J

liamdubh

Good stuff (the pressing charges bit). How old are you by the way?

Such mindlessness. At least this will teach her a lesson.

Jen199

I'm 30. Talk about lack of respect.

She was just so smug about it - that was what annoyed me most. All i'd really like to do is make her sweat for a couple of days.

liamdubh

Jen199 wrote:

I'm 30. Talk about lack of respect.

She was just so smug about it - that was what annoyed me most. All i'd really like to do is make her sweat for a couple of days.

I'd definitely hold her accountable but you'd have to wonder and what sort of parents bring up a child that feels the need to punch random strangers in the face for no reason whatsoever other than to give themselves a feeling of self-satisfaction. She is taking out some of her aggression on a blameless stranger. It's really not healthy.

But personally, I'd follow through all the way with it. Give the little **** a criminal record and a Juvenile Liason Officer to deal with for a few years as a reminder of what a stupid thing she did. Maybe her friends will think twice about doing anything similar in future. Without sounding too high and mighty you'd be doing everybody else a service by following through with it.

Jen199

You're right - if it stopped her doing it again. Little b***h. If this is what shes like at about 15 years of age - imagine her in 10 years.

Her parents must be so proud!

tbh

Jen199 wrote:

I'm 30. Talk about lack of respect.

She was just so smug about it - that was what annoyed me most. All i'd really like to do is make her sweat for a couple of days.

imagine the look on her face when you walk into her classroom with her principal.

nice!

spurious

Was she from Loreto in Crumlin?

Looks like their Juniors have a uniform as you described - with a beige jumper.

gazzer

OP... Im really sorry that happened to you.. I hope you find the little b**ch and that she gets what she deserves. Society just seems to be getting worse and worse...

CB19Kevo

Well done on taking this action as people not reporting/prosecuting these clowns is why this kind of behaviour is becoming so commen.
hopefully she nd her dopey mates??! will pay for wat they done.wont' be so smug then.

liamdubh

OP - were the Gardai helpful? Or did they care? You could go through the school yearbook or class photos and find her too.

I don't like sounding like I should be phoning Liveline but how far is it from a "girl" punching random strangers in the face for no reason to maybe using a knife on strangers or a group of them attacking somebody? So you're dead right to report it.

CuppaCocoa

Loreto Crumlin don't have a checked skirt. I don't see how the school can track down the student. She's probably a junior cert or doing summer exams as most schools are at the moment. There are students all over the city every day so it would be hard to find her. Plus I think that once a student leaves the school premises she is no longer the responsibility of the school. Your best bet is to try and view the CCCT footage, have the school identify the student and let the guards handle it from there.

liamdubh

lilybarlean wrote:

Loreto Crumlin don't have a checked skirt. I don't see how the school can track down the student. She's probably a junior cert or doing summer exams as most schools are at the moment. There are students all over the city every day so it would be hard to find her. Plus I think that once a student leaves the school premises she is no longer the responsibility of the school. Your best bet is to try and view the CCCT footage, have the school identify the student and let the guards handle it from there.

CCTV?

There maybe be a lot of schools around but the uniforms are distinctive, I do see how any school could track down any student. It would go something like:

"Here's a photo of the student I'm looking for"
"That's John Smith, here's his home address, Guard"
"Thanks"

And nobody is talking about holding the school responsible anyway. The OP is going to the school in order to find the name of the student who assaulted her. And as for the discipline issue, I'd imagine that a student wearing the school uniform on their way to or from school would be disciplined by the school if they become aware of an incident like this. It's also a criminal matter and not a school discipline matter, though in all probability it will be both.

Kimbot

liamdubh wrote:

CCTV?
And nobody is talking about holding the school responsible anyway. The OP is going to the school in order to find the name of the student who assaulted her. And as for the discipline issue, I'd imagine that a student wearing the school uniform on their way to or from school would be disciplined by the school if they become aware of an incident like this.

You are correct, once you are still in school uniform then you can and will be disciplined by the school as its the schools reputation that is also tarnished!!

CuppaCocoa

liamdubh wrote:

CCTV?

There maybe be a lot of schools around but the uniforms are distinctive, I do see how any school could track down any student. It would go something like:

"Here's a photo of the student I'm looking for"
"That's John Smith, here's his home address, Guard"
"Thanks"

And nobody is talking about holding the school responsible anyway. The OP is going to the school in order to find the name of the student who assaulted her. And as for the discipline issue, I'd imagine that a student wearing the school uniform on their way to or from school would be disciplined by the school if they become aware of an incident like this.

If you'd read my previous post I said "Your best bet is to try and view the CCCT footage, have the school identify the student and let the guards handle it from there." Of course they can identify the student from the footage but it would be extremely hard to find the culprit without some kind of photo or image. Silly suggestions about attacking the culprit with crowbars or marching into the student's classroom with the principal are not really helpful :rolleyes:

Cathmandooo

God that's horrific!! Hope you're feeling somewhat better now, I'm sure ull feel great when they find the scumbag, keep us updated!

liamdubh

lilybarlean wrote:

If you'd read my previous post I said "Your best bet is to try and view the CCCT footage, have the school identify the student and let the guards handle it from there." Of course they can identify the student from the footage but it would be extremely hard to find the culprit without some kind of photo or image.

In that case you've contradicted yourself. Go back and read what you've posted. It's called CCTV by the way. It stands for "closed circuit television".
There's an image in the OP's mind somewhere, I'd imagine. There are class photos and also the Gardai said they would retrieve the CCTV from the LUAS.

Silly suggestions about attacking the culprit with crowbars or marching into the student's classroom with the principal are not really helpful :rolleyes:

I'm glad I didn't make them then.

tbh

lilybarlean wrote:

If you'd read my previous post I said "Your best bet is to try and view the CCCT footage, have the school identify the student and let the guards handle it from there." Of course they can identify the student from the footage but it would be extremely hard to find the culprit without some kind of photo or image. Silly suggestions about attacking the culprit with crowbars or marching into the student's classroom with the principal are not really helpful :rolleyes:

If there is no CCTV footage, the principal may ask her to go to various classrooms to see if she can see the girl. What I was saying is that if the girl realises she's going to be caught, the look on her face will be priceless. I wasn't suggesting that she marches anywhere, so your patronising admonishment to read posts properly is quite ironic.

liamdubh

tbh wrote:

If there is no CCTV footage, the principal may ask her to go to various classrooms to see if she can see the girl. What I was saying is that if the girl realises she's going to be caught, the look on her face will be priceless. I wasn't suggesting that she marches anywhere, so your patronising admonishment to read posts properly is quite ironic.

Sounds like Lily might have something to hide.

CuppaCocoa

In that case you've contradicted yourself. Go back and read what you've posted. It's called CCTV by the way. It stands for "closed circuit television".
There's an image in the OP's mind somewhere, I'd imagine. There are class photos and also the Gardai said they would retrieve the CCTV

Oh God, I do apologize for the typo :rolleyes: and yes, I do know what CCTV stands for! What I meant was the school cannot identify the culprit based on the OPs description alone and I doubt if looking at a class photo would do the job either. Therefore it would be necessary to view the luas footage to do so.

tbh

lilybarlean wrote:

In that case you've contradicted yourself. Go back and read what you've posted. It's called CCTV by the way. It stands for "closed circuit television".
There's an image in the OP's mind somewhere, I'd imagine. There are class photos and also the Gardai said they would retrieve the CCTV

Oh God, I do apologize for the typo :rolleyes: and yes, I do know what CCTV stands for! What I meant was the school cannot identify the culprit based on the OPs description alone and I doubt if looking at a class photo would do the job either. Therefore it would be necessary to view the luas footage to do so.

or failing that, have the OP go into a couple of classrooms and see if she can identify the girl.

fair enough?

egan007

Report it at least, the Guards wil lbe able to look at CCTV

CuppaCocoa

tbh wrote:

or failing that, have the OP go into a couple of classrooms and see if she can identify the girl.

fair enough?

I can't see any school Principal allowing anyone into a classroom to identify a student.

tbh

I've seen this happen more than once.

liamdubh

lilybarlean wrote:

I can't see any school Principal allowing anyone into a classroom to identify a student.

Probably not. But I'd say they will be able to narrow down who it was quite quickly. Due to the time, the fact it was on a LUAS at a particular stop, the age of the girl involved, the size of the group and the description of the girl(s) involved. The attacker must have some distinguished features, most likely a pug nose.

delta_bravo

lilybarlean wrote:

I can't see any school Principal allowing anyone into a classroom to identify a student.

Also I doubt they would be willing to let anyone view photographic records (if they have them) of their students.

lightening

Sorry to hear that happened to you Jen. I hope you make a speedy recovery.

Hopefully the school will make a big thing of this. We know how it works, the culprit will be "ratted on" eventually. Everyone in the school will know about it and everyone will know who did it. The name will seep back to the staff and she will be interogated.

Keep us posted.

boffin

Well i heard of a situation recently where two girls ditched school, hopped on a train from dublin to limerick and went around shopplifting for the day. They were in their school uniforms which was quite distinct and the guards contacted the school and got their names. Similiar situation when I was in school - a few girls got caught shoplifting by their uniforms - again the school was contacted and they identified the girls.

seamus

boffin wrote:

Well i heard of a situation recently where two girls ditched school, hopped on a train from dublin to limerick and went around shopplifting for the day. They were in their school uniforms which was quite distinct and the guards contacted the school and got their names. Similiar situation when I was in school - a few girls got caught shoplifting by their uniforms - again the school was contacted and they identified the girls.

My school was a big rugby school and one day on fourth year there was some match on where half of my year decided to get drunk before going to the match. I never bothered going to the matches, instead preferring to spend my half day productively (read: watching TV).

They duly lost the match, at which point about 30 people decided to go on a little rampage through Ranelagh, walking over cars, lying down in the middle of the street, and stealing a whole pile of stuff from the Spar. Needless to say, the black, white and purple jerseys and scarves quite obviously gave them all away as Terenure college, and most of the perpetrators were caught without a sweat from the Gardai when they arrived down to the school the next day.

Teenagers are idiots.

John Mason

tbh wrote:

I've seen this happen more than once.

i have seen this happen in my school years ago, some one was messing on the bus and princopal brought the complaining passengers around to indentify the people. fair play to you for persuing this, but i want to know did no-body help you stop her, i am sure the luas was packed????

6th

Not many beige jumper uniforms so I'd say pop on bebo and sign up as a student then go through the junior cert year pages.

WindSock

It's great that you are following through and getting back at this idiot. Let us know what is happening. Were there any other witnesses at the time?

whiskeyman

If caught. whats the most that can happen?
Sounds like she's the type that has a number of cases against her already.
Sorry to hear about whats happened to you, but my fear is that this kind of unrespectful and 'thug' will just not get any (or near the degree of) punishment she deserves. And probably knowing that, that's why she hit you and will continue to do so to others...

DonJose

Did you think about waiting at the same Luas stop at the same time this incident happened. Then you can get a look at these girls getting off, even if the girl who thumped you isn't there you could get the name of the school from girls who wear the same uniform.

standbyme

Bring someone with you if you want & let us know how you get on.

boardsdotie

Any update, I would love to know what happened

Dirk Gently

Sounds like the op was a victim of happy slapping tbh.

If you find the girl it might be an idea to check her phone and her friends phones for a video. Had a bloke try to do it to me coming out of xtra vision one day but I seen his mate getting the video phone ready and the other fella had his bike right beside the door for a quick get away so as I was walking out I was able to grab him and throw him to the floor as he made his move for me. Gave the camera a wave as I walked off. I doubt the young one would risk throwing a dig at the OP for no reason unless she was getting some serious "street cred" out of it by starring in her own happy slap video.

Marathon Man

DonJose wrote:

Did you think about waiting at the same Luas stop at the same time this incident happened. Then you can get a look at these girls getting off, even if the girl who thumped you isn't there you could get the name of the school from girls who wear the same uniform.

Brilliant suggestion. Most people have set routines and this can be a major weakness. In this case by simply waiting at the luas stop at the same time (maybe even exactly a week to the day after the incident) there is a high probability you will see this individual.
My advice: bring a younger relative around the same age as this girl who attacked you and..........
You get the idea. Well hopefully.

katiemac

Did nobody on the LUAS or standing near that lady when she was attacked by that little ignorant bitch do anything?
It amazes me how the public tend to look the other way when some innocent person standing close-by is being attacked.
I remember two guys punching another guy near a shopping centre in Blanchardstown. People just walked by and did nothing. My Dad went over and seperated them and held the two blackguards until the gardai arrived.
They were arrested, charged and received community sentences.
Surely, there are witnesses to that cowardly attack on that hapless lady who would come forward if they read about it in the newspapers or saw an account of what happened on Crimeline?

Kernel

katiemac wrote: »

Surely, there are witnesses to that cowardly attack on that hapless lady who would come forward if they read about it in the newspapers or saw an account of what happened on Crimeline?

Tonight on Crimeline, a person got a slap at a Luas stop in the city centre. Call our incident room now if you have any information. Sounds great, but there's a lot more serious stuff than that taking up resources I'm afraid.

Want to clean up public transport? Take away free travel passes for alcos and junkies, and have more Luas security guards.

monosharp

Irish culture. Lovely isn't it.

I'm in Asia at the moment and such a thing would be practically unheard of (in Korea). They have enormous respect for elders drilled into them.

Kids here are NOT allowed to call their parents by their names, ever. You call your father "Father", your mother "Mother". You call your older brother "Older brother", you call your older sister "Older sister", you even call your younger siblings "younger sister/brother".

The whole language has a special ending for verbs for younger people then you, older and another for extremely polite (very old, high bosses etc).

They call their teachers "their-name teacher". Everyone you don't know who is older then you is a "Sir" (although it doesn't mean Sir in our sense, its just a polite way to refer to someone you don't know).

Its not just kids either, its everyone, the whole culture. One of the very first things they find out when they meet you is your age so they know how to talk to you (which verb ending).

Ok some people might think thats a bit crazy, I personally think its absolutely fantastic.

Heres another example, say your dating a girl here and you meet the parents. You call her da "girls name's father" and if he meets your da thats how he talks to him too "your name's father".

They have manners and the west don't. Did we ever have ?

Mellor

monosharp wrote: »

Irish culture. Lovely isn't it.

I'm in Asia at the moment and such a thing would be practically unheard of (in Korea). They have enormous respect for elders drilled into them.

Kids here are NOT allowed to call their parents by their names, ever. You call your father "Father", your mother "Mother". You call your older brother "Older brother", you call your older sister "Older sister", you even call your younger siblings "younger sister/brother".

The whole language has a special ending for verbs for younger people then you, older and another for extremely polite (very old, high bosses etc).

They call their teachers "their-name teacher". Everyone you don't know who is older then you is a "Sir" (although it doesn't mean Sir in our sense, its just a polite way to refer to someone you don't know).

Its not just kids either, its everyone, the whole culture. One of the very first things they find out when they meet you is your age so they know how to talk to you (which verb ending).

Ok some people might think thats a bit crazy, I personally think its absolutely fantastic.

Heres another example, say your dating a girl here and you meet the parents. You call her da "girls name's father" and if he meets your da thats how he talks to him too "your name's father".

They have manners and the west don't. Did we ever have ?

It is sometimes easy to confuse language with manners. I'm not saying that they have respect for elders, but alot of what they say is just down to language.

To think of a closer to home (top of the head) example.
If you refered to somebody in the street as "Hey Lady". It sounds quite common, and rude. But thats exactly what the french say, Madame means Lady. Strangely, Madame is used here (from the french) and it sounds much more polite.
Swedish naming convention might be a better example. Boys are refered to as [Fathers name's]son, ie Magnusson, Larrsson

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Like was said in a previous post, if she was in school this week,when schools are off, then shes most likely Junior Cert.
She was probably in for a revision class or something similar and so that would narrow down the lis tof possible students.

If you know which school and get into contact with them they'll probably have a fair idea of who it could be. If she's done it to a stranger she's probably done it to a fellow student in a classroom and so the principal/teachers know of her tendencies.

Again as was said above you could wait outside the school on Monday/Tuesday morning when the first exam begins and see if you can recognise her.

Goodluck!

dubtom

Damn,did I just read 3 pages for nothing,what happened.

tbh

it's 18 months old.