centre of motors thread bullying

JHMEG

Ok, I read the thread, went to post and noticed it's been locked.

ds20prefecture summed it up: a lad starts a new forum offering motoring advice, thread gets locked, and the OP gets banned.

Jeez lads, grow up. Ok, the OP may not have made his/her point in the best possible fashion, but I'm really lost for words here. Reminds me of the story that (I think) Bono told: it's the difference between "Some day I'm gonna get that fscker on the hill" and "Some day I'm gonna be that fscker on the hill".

Whatever mod locked the thread and banned the OP, hang your head in shame. You're nothing but a bully.

junkyard

Did you read the whole thread?

JHMEG

Yes junkyard, I did. And you're complicit in the bullying. I expected better from you.

junkyard

Well the way I see it, this guy breezes in here make us out to be half wits and says pretty much, "come over to my forum I'm a qualified mechanic, there is nobody around here qualified like me to offer any advise, I will change this" that's an act of war buddy, I for one am a qualified mechanical engineer and served by time as a panel beater, I've worked on cars since I was 10. I'm defending my role not bullying.:mad:

JHMEG

junkyard, get over yourself. Do you think that you're the only one who has ever worked on a car. The herd mentality took over, and you stopped thinking for yourself with comments like "You could start an Alfa thread, that might get the ball rolling for you."

The guy is a noob. We all were at some stage. Don't try to justify the fact that you jumped on the band wagon and belittled the OP, pretty much like everyone else did (ds20prefecture excepted) on that thread.

You've nothing to be proud of.

junkyard

I don't think this guy is quite the noob you make him out to be, in fact if I recall he admitted being on boards albeit under a different guise. Even I wouldn't have the balls to set up an opposition forum and come on here trying to hijack what in my view is a perfectly good forum. If people don't make a stand for something they believe in, very soon there won't be anything.

JHMEG

junkyard, don't deflect from the fact that you've been complicit in the bullying. He is a noob, but as he alludes to, he's been a lurker. Like we all were before we had the balls to make our first post.

Your lack of balls has nothing to do with it.

Loads of bad and mis-information going around here, no harm that someone has set up a forum where people who know what they're talking about post (junkyard, you could be one of them).

But that's not the point. Boards.ie is not Microsoft, and the instruments of Boards.ie, aided and abetted by regular posters, should not bully anyone.

junkyard

JHMEG wrote:

Loads of bad and mis-information going around here, no harm that someone has set up a forum where people who know what they're talking about post.

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And do you think his forum is going to be any different? I don't think so. I'm not going to stay on here all night arguing with you JHMEG, your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. The way I see it this guy was trying to hi-jack this forum, end of story. If you don't like it maybe you should consider joining his one.

JHMEG

junkyard wrote:

And do you think his forum is going to be any different? I don't think so. I'm not going to stay on here all night arguing with you JHMEG, your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. The way I see it this guy was trying to hi-jack this forum, end of story. If you don't like it maybe you should consider joining his one.

The way I see it junkyard is that you were bullying, along with the rest of them.

Whether his forum is better or not than this one is a moot point. It might be, it might not be, but you're not the one who decides.

junkyard

The way I see it JHMEG if people like this come in here trying to hi-jack forums it will be only a matter of time before we have ads in between threads and your dead right, I'm not the one who decides and neither are you, that's the moderators job.

The tax man

In a way, I'm sitting on the fence,on this one. I agree with JMHEG that I thought his thread was shot down with an air of "who the fúck are you coming around here" but although I always have a look here daily and take note of the posters that know the car industry inside out, I never knew that they were qualified mechanics or industry insiders..Many people will(and can be) experts in some sort of field even if not qualified even if it's not there bread and butter.
Maybe "centre" wasn't around here long enough(how long is daily??) to know that there are members of the trade posting but in my lengthy time viewing Motors only a few of you have actually posted that you are qualified mechanics.
Junkyard I know by reading anything you post you've got some connection to the motor trade but with all your posts I've read,you've only now let me know what your links and expertise in the trade is.
I just thought you were some crazy bástard with loads of money and into cars:D ,I now know, in a way your car background. Same goes to Volvoboy,I only found out a few days ago he to is in the trade,due to the fact he posted that he served as a panel beater.I never read this before and MY GOD now I understand the guys love of older(if strange;) ) choice of cars to bring back to former glory.
Bottom line, the regulars give great advice here and long may it continue. I'm still only officially by posts, finding out the people in the trade,even though you get the idea over time but I would've thought that COM could've been better treated on this forum.
I understand that pimping other sites doesn't go down well but maybe if he knew that many trade people already post here he could've been welcomed(and nicely cautioned/post edited for pimping)we could have another voice of wisdom to help others here.Why couldn't he be told to put his site in his sig. TBH alot of you have links to other forums in your sig.
I'm not having a go at anyone I've mentioned above,you're only examples of posters I know a little bit more about after reading your recent posts.
I love my daily reading here cause I love cars but it ain't a clique and please don't let this part of Boards go like some of the other forums where you get that "you ain't welcome here stranger" feel.




**runs for the hills**

junkyard

That's a fair comment tax man but he did come in here and basically tried to make us regulars out to be Muppets, he was welcome to join in just like the rest of us did at one time or another, he was welcome to offer advice on this forum, which he didn't I might add, and the nail in the coffin, as far as I'm concerned was the " I will change this, thank you" comment.P.S. tax man I don't have loads of money, I only have an adequate amount of it.;)

ds20prefecture

Why was the other thread locked, mods?

ds20prefecture

I fail to understand why you feel so threatened by the guy, JY. As far as I can see of your posts here, you're generally very helpful to other users (notwithstanding an occasional blinkered approach to a lot of car brands).

Granted the guy could have got to know the place and its regulars before making claims like his but I'm wondering what his bannable offence was? And having had him banned, yourself and colm_mcm's grave dancing did you no favours.

PS - I came across this great site for mechanical advice - maybe you should wander over there and lend a hand?
www.centreofmotors.com

Vikings

I would guess it was because the guy was spamming his site around boards, simple fact of the matter is you have to pay to advertise on boards and this guy obviously wasnt.

Doesnt make a difference if he was advertising a horse shoe making centre or a motoring centre, the thread would have been locked up.

JHMEG, you really are taking this way too personally. Those type of threads and posters are around boards.ie everyday and the same results always come about.

Seth Brundle

JHMEG wrote:

ds20prefecture summed it up: a lad starts a new forum offering motoring advice, thread gets locked, and the OP gets banned.

Wrong order. I received a PM from the poster asking if I would post on their new forum to make it look busy. Following which I came in here and noticed they had posted in here. I banned them from the motors forums and then made a site ban request to the admins which was promptly followed up. I did not lock the thread until yesterday (IIRC). I did not lock the thread immediatley as some boardsters had posted there and I decided to leave it open.

JHMEG wrote:

Whatever mod locked the thread and banned the OP, hang your head in shame. You're nothing but a bully.

I am? Why?

JHMEG wrote:

The guy is a noob. We all were at some stage. Don't try to justify the fact that you jumped on the band wagon and belittled the OP, pretty much like everyone else did (ds20prefecture excepted) on that thread.

I don't care if they are a noob or an internet expert. They could have read the rules firstly. Secondly, as they are setting up a forum themselves they should be aware of the ettiquette about spamming.
Lastly I felt that the OP had tried to promote a motoring related site claiming to be this that and the other but actually gave no real incentive for anyone to believe them. Had they made a respectable element of contribution to boards then maybe the outcome might have been different (doubtful) but in this case very little thought was given to their banning.
As for the belittling of the OP - where exactly were they belittled? What about the belittling of boards member through the use of spam?

Dr. Seuss

junkyard seems to be one of the most elitest & arrogant people I've come accross on here to date. In every one of his replies, he talks about how many cars he has and sticks his nose up at other people. He'd eat out his own ass if he could reach.

seamus

If you have a problem with the moderation of a forum, then you PM the mod in question or post on Feedback.

This is not the place for it.

Killian, feel free to lock this or move it to Feedback.

yop

If fairness the other site seems to have 2 posters and really does not offer anything more than Boards, bit like going for a new government hey!! "Devil you know than u don't know"

overdriver

Dr. Seuss wrote:

junkyard seems to be one of the most elitest & arrogant people I've come accross on here to date. In every one of his replies, he talks about how many cars he has and sticks his nose up at other people. He'd eat out his own ass if he could reach.

In fairness, this type of post is uneccessary. Even if you have a problem with Junkyard ( And I have to say that I don't find him as you decribe), a pm to him would be far more productive than this, which is exaggerated and inflammatory.

This is NOT the way Boards should go.

Dr. Seuss

overdriver wrote:

In fairness, this type of post is uneccessary. Even if you have a problem with Junkyard ( And I have to say that I don't find him as you decribe), a pm to him would be far more productive than this, which is exaggerated and inflammatory.

This is NOT the way Boards should go.

Fair enough.

overdriver

Cool!

_Kaiser_

My 2c on this (seeing as I also joined in on the banter on the original thread).

First off, I don't see any "bullying" of centreofmotors on the other thread. A few questions were asked as to what he/she hoped to achieve from their new forum but the answer seemed (to me anyway) to be a somewhat condescending "I'm an expert"-style response.

Besides in either case, as far as I'm aware Boards isn't the place to be advertising your new site (unless obviously you pay for the privilege) so I'm with KB and the rest on this one.

unkel

Dr. Seuss wrote:

Fair enough.

That just saved yourself from a ban. Play nice in future, Dr. Seuss

Seth Brundle

seamus wrote:

If you have a problem with the moderation of a forum, then you PM the mod in question or post on Feedback.

This is not the place for it.

Killian, feel free to lock this or move it to Feedback.

thread moved!

mike65

I hav'nt read the thread all the way up to its locking point, but it struck me as Junkyard describes it, followed by a lot of silly parody. The only thing missing was a kitten yawning saying "YOU NEWB!"

Anyway if thats bullying, some should stay well clear of the Politics and Conspiracy Theories forums.

Mike.

Stark

Banning someone for spamming is not bullying.

The tax man

Just for Mike65:D

RoundyMooney

Whatever about Politics and CT, Classic Cars is becoming a hotbed of dissension at the moment, due to a couple of malcontent n00bs who don't understand how civilised discussion fora actually operate.

This thread is a far cry from bullying. At the risk of reinventing the wheel, the OP solicited traffic for their site via pm, and then proceeded to second guess everybody on the Motors forum by claiming their shiny new website was the only place to receive solid advice.

That was never going to go down well.

The only bullying I saw on the thread in question was an unsolicited insult thrown at a respected contributor, who has offered more help and advice via pm and in person to boardsies than many people may be aware of.

If it were me, they'd have taken at least a week off for their trainwreck of a post, but that of course is just my opinion.

Oh, and to our motoring correspondents, welcome to Feedback

jhegarty

mike65 wrote:

The only thing missing was a kitten yawning saying "YOU NEWB!"

Sorry ,I am a dog person:

RoundyMooney

I just referenced that pic in relation to another thread about two minutes ago...

Great minds...

junkyard

Well in fairness, I only stood up for what I believed in. If every Tom, Dick and Harry started up splinter forums for different subjects they'd be scattered all over the place. Thanks for the support those who supported me anyway.

old boy

not a bother.

JHMEG

A somewhat noob puts up a post about his new forum, and gets blasted.

Some of those that did the blasting are now trying to defend themselves.

Could there be a better motors forum than motors forum on boards? Yes there could (and there are many already).

Were words of encouragement issued? Instead, a microsoft type stance was taken, not by boards, but by a couple of its loyalists.

Of course I have to take kbannon's word for it that he alone was PMed by the OP which eventually led to him locking the thread, and that he wasn't just following the crowd.

Ironically, junkyard, the person who has argued most with me over this, doesn't seem to have declared his skill level over on the How Much of a Mechanic Are You thread.

In my mind it's clear what went on here.

Mr Magnolia

1. The original post was equivalent to spam/pimping enough to get a thread locked and a user banned on any forum, which it did. If you call it blasting then blasting it is. If you're referring to normal posters blasting him I can't see that either, maybe quote those instances here?

2. The OP sent out spam via PM, also a bannable offence

3. I see no bullying anywhere on the thread, and would be on the defensive myself if I'd seen it before it was locked. Can you quote the instances of bullying here please.

4. Refering to forum users, this comment is very trolly and from a newb could also result in a warning if he/she hadn't been banned for spam

centreofmotors wrote:

non of them have people in the motor trade

JHMEG wrote:

Were words of encouragement issued?

Best of luck to him or her with the site but spam/pimping isn't encouraged or welcomed on boards.

JHMEG wrote:

Of course I have to take kbannon's word for it that he alone was PMed by the OP which eventually led to him locking the thread, and that he wasn't just following the crowd.

You're insinuating KB made this up you should take it to PM.

JHMEG wrote:

Ironically, junkyard, the person who has argued most with me over this, doesn't seem to have declared his skill level over on the How Much of a Mechanic Are You thread.

Don't see what this has to do with anything really. Anyway, Junkyard said "Plenty of people in the motor trade around here already" he is in the motortrade, his, or anyone else's qualifications are irrelevant and none of our business.

Anyway quote the problematic posts as you see them and maybe suggest what action you want to see or how the forum could be improved as a result of this.

Beruthiel

JHMEG wrote:

Ok, I read the thread, went to post and noticed it's been locked.

If you are going to come into Feedback to complain about something, it would be nice if you would post a link to the offending thread for those of us who have no clue what you are on about.

ds20prefecture summed it up: a lad starts a new forum offering motoring advice, thread gets locked, and the OP gets banned.

Boards is not here for people to spam their wares, and it certainly is not here to give out free advertising willy nilly. If you wish to advertise your site then you pay for the advertising space like everyone else does.
Spamming Boards or trying to get in a free advert is a site banning offence.

oleras

Beruthiel wrote:

If you are going to come into Feedback to complain about something, it would be nice if you would post a link to the offending thread for those of us who have no clue what you are on about.

In fairness, this was posted in motors and moved to feedback, so no link was needed in the oroginal post.

Seth Brundle

JHMEG wrote:

A somewhat noob puts up a post about his new forum, and gets blasted.

Well maybe they should have read the charter! Given that they were spamming for the benefit of their own forum I would presume that they are aware of internet ettiquette!

JHMEG wrote:

Could there be a better motors forum than motors forum on boards? Yes there could (and there are many already).

What has that got to do with anything?

JHMEG wrote:

Were words of encouragement issued?

To the spammer? When I came onto boards that time I immediatley replied to the PM. I then looked around and noticed that they had posted on the forum. I then banned them from the motors section and requested that the admins implement a site ban. Why would I need to encourage the poster?

JHMEG wrote:

Of course I have to take kbannon's word for it that he alone was PMed by the OP which eventually led to him locking the thread, and that he wasn't just following the crowd.

Are you doubting me? Have I been known to lie before? Why would I bother my arsé making all this up?

JHMEG wrote:

Ironically, junkyard, the person who has argued most with me over this, doesn't seem to have declared his skill level over on the How Much of a Mechanic Are You thread.

I wasn't aware that there was an obligation on posters to reply to threads

JHMEG wrote:

In my mind it's clear what went on here.

Don't keep it a secret!

Seth Brundle

Beruthiel wrote:

If you are going to come into Feedback to complain about something, it would be nice if you would post a link to the offending thread for those of us who have no clue what you are on about.

Centreofmotors

Beruthiel

Yup
Clear cut, site ban.

JHMEG

A number of people feel that things were handled all wrong on that thread.

Someone had to speak out for the OP, since he couldn't.

I'm not going to debate thid anymore as obviously I'm not going to be able to change anything, but I am clear on what went on and who was involved.

Btw a group of people poking fun at someone, directly or indirectly amounts to bullying, imho.

Stark

JSmeg wrote:

Btw a group of people poking fun at someone, directly or indirectly amounts to bullying.

Hehe.

WhiteWashMan

JHMEG wrote:

A number of people feel that things were handled all wrong on that thread.

Someone had to speak out for the OP, since he couldn't.

I'm not going to repeat myself as obviously I'm not going to be able to change anything, but I am clear on what went on and who was involved.

Btw a group of people poking fun at someone, directly or indirectly amounts to bullying.

OK, Ive had a quick read down of whats happened, and heres a few of my thoughts....

boards.ie is a strange beast. a lot of people post here. they have done so for a very long time. many people contribute, and get warm fuzzy feelings when they do. they feel a part of something.
sometimes, when someone comes along, and is seen to somehow 'challenge' boards.ie in some way, people get a bit arsey. i know. ive done it on many on occassion.
now, im not saying its right, and im not saying its wrong, im just saying it happens. and this appears to be hwat has happened in this instance.

i have to say, im not adverse to people putting up links to sites, as long as they are not pay sites, and they are not advertising, and they offer some sort of service relative to the topic. ive been doing this for a long time in the work forum, and it works fine. ok, sometimes, theres a fine line and you make a judgement call, and youre not always right, but thats another issue.

in this case, i think they site was fine. but....
its not my decision to make. there are a lot of mods here that make a lot of decisions. i dont always agree, and i often question them, but i will always (nearly always) respect their right to do what is best for the forum they moderate.

what you have to understand is there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to deal with things. and there are no proceedures for doing so either. nor will there be until boards.ie becomes a business, and we get paid fo it!

however, with regards the issue at hand, if the mod felt the thread was going way off topic and wasnt adding tothe forum, then they have the right to lock it. a moderator is not appointed to mod every thread. their purpose is to ensure the smooth running of a forum. i think the motors guys do a really good job of it. i dont agree with all their decisions, but they are good guys, their hearts are in the right place, and you know what, you cant ask more than that.

with regards the bullying, yes i can see what youre talking about. that brings me back to the boards.ie threat mentality. people saw competition and jumped onit. i dont see any competition from your link (no offence) and i dont expect a mass exodus from boards.ie

with regards to any mention of who is a better mechanic, well, you guys can piss in the breeze for all i care about mechanial skills. thats not what these forums are about. there have been forums where 'experts' have made themselves at home, but when someone makes a decision they dont like, they leave becuase they realise they are not the biggest dog on the block. i dont care who can do what with a rotory motor, the mod is still in charge. until you get someone in a garage, and off boards.ie, it makes jack all to this site. you are not your leet mechanic skills. i hope ive made that very clear?

i personally have no issue with the motors mods letting anyone post. i think its silly to let talented people drift away, but more importantly, its better to have a forum that runs smoothly. but that doesnt have to mean bans. it means we have to look at the process. perhaps the mods will look at the situation re bannings and locking off topic threads (personally, i hate locking off topic threads, i feel they should meander to their hearts content. far more useful info comes from them over time, and who really has the right to say how far is too far off topic? but thats another debate for another day).

so, its in the hands of the motors mods. if they feel that too much has been made, and that bridges are burnt, then i will support them. if they feel that some leniancy should be given, then im with them as well. its their forum.

but i hope this may have at least addressed some of the challenges you had?

jhegarty

Site pimping isn't allow... its as simple as there....

the Irish Times is not going to publish free ads for the Examiner or Herald....


I run a online forum... but I challenge you to find the address in the 6 years I have been posting on boards... I happily post on here , but feel it would be very unfair of me to try and direct traffic over using this sites resources...

on the other hand, if you site pimp on my site you will be site banned so quickly you head will spin....

Victor

jhegarty wrote:

Site pimping isn't allow... its as simple as there....

Pimping no, however things are mature enough that if a site gets mentioned that its a problem. Nobody objects when politics.ie forum.platform11.org or htireland get mentioned, simply because the proponents of those boards give and share with boards.ie. centre of motors seemd to be about me, me, me!

on the other hand, if you site pimp on my site you will be site banned so quickly you head will spin....

Ah, but DeVore bans you before you finish the sign up process!