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Be cruel to be kind

  • 26-05-2007 5:35pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭


    This is my first time posting some hands - so be as cruel as you want:o

    Bit of background: Last year I was playing a lot of 0.10/0.20 and 0.25/0.50, but after not playing a lot of poker for a few months I started back from scratch at 0.05/0.10 on PPP.


    1. My image is tight as f*ck - only playing strong hands and being aggressive with them!

    I'm the dealer with A,Ko
    After two limps, I raise to 0.55, sb folds and bb makes it 1.80 (bb = crazy and loose); 1call, 1 fold and i call.

    FLOP: 4h, 5s, 2s

    bb checks, I bet 2.71; bb calls and utg folds.

    TURN: 7s

    he bets 6.36 (all-in)

    I fold.

    Any thoughts??


    2.I'm bb with 6,7

    Dealer makes it 0.40, I call as do two others who had already limped.

    FLOP: 4,5,6 rainbow

    I bet 1
    betting then is: fold, A.I. (1.25), dealer fold, and I call the 0.25

    Turn: 3
    River: J

    I win with straight,
    against an A,6o


    What do ye think of the bet on the flop? Pre-flop?


    Like I said in the title, you gotta be cruel to be kind, so be honest - thanks!:)


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    Hand 1. I re-raise/push depending on stack sizes, including them would be handy
    As played I check fold that flop.
    Hand 2 seems ok to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    give stack sizes in hh's.

    1 i shove pf if your short, as played i do same


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    1. reraise pf, c/f the flop.

    2. fold pf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Hand 1

    As said it largely depends on the stack size of the BB and UTG what you would do preflop so i wont comment on that.

    As played your up against "a loose maniac" and another villain, generally against 2 other opponents OOP on the flop if you miss you should just check/fold the hand if theyre are players to act after you as theres no point trying to continuation bet 2 players as its just not profitable unless you have a decent draw or maybe a read that theyre both passive. Loose maniac dosent fit into that category!

    Your recolection seems a bit skewed. You say your dealer and the other 2 in the hand was BB and UTG which means you should have been last to act.
    bb checks, I bet 2.71; bb calls and utg folds.

    Assmuming you were in position and last to act then taking a stab at the pot if checked to you is OK considering there is a pot worth winning but checking is fine here too if the "Loose Maniac" is likely to RR or is a calling station too.

    Id fold the Turn All in, the only thing your beating is a complete bluff, if hes likely to push with an unpaired hand here because hes a maniac then just be patient hell do it again and call him when you get a hand.

    Hand 2:
    Your Range from calling the BB raise should be alot tighter. Its a 4x blind raise. I would only usually call a raise with pocket pairs (if the raiser has at least 2/3rd of a full buyin) AQ,AJ,KQ maybe and Suited Connecter JT+ if there was multiple callers in front of me with suitable sized stacks. Id probably RR QQ+ AK and maybe JJ if it was a late position raise. Simply because your going to acting Out Of Position here and if you flop top pair with the 6 or 7 your going to be vunerable to an overpair and you have low kicker issues and youll certainly lose over the long run. In fact had you not hit the straight you would have lost the hand with Top Pair as he had the much better kicker.

    As played it was a ok flop and betting out here is fine, this hand is to weak to slowplay hoping someone will bet as there likely to outdraw you.
    I assume your asking about this because everyone folded and you missed out on a nice pot having a straight.

    They folded to your raise because they had nothing, if you checked there only going to bluff on the flop and youll only get another bet from them on the turn if they hit when theyve likely outdrawn you. You should always bet your good hands, there so many calling stations there and youll make more betting your good hands consistently because theyll call down with bottom pair and you should always be looking to build a pot with your good hands.

    btw this wasnt that strong of a hand with 3,4,5,6 on the board on the turn nobodys going to be trying to get all in as if you start betting heavy now your hand becomes very transparent, your only getting paid off here if someone has at least 2 pair and probably a set+ to be honest and your splitting the pot here with anyone else that has a 7 and losing the pot to anyone with 87s


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭dK1NG


    dvdfan wrote:
    As played your up against "a loose maniac" and another villain, generally against 2 other opponents OOP on the flop if you miss you should just check/fold the hand if theyre are players to act after you as theres no point trying to continuation bet 2 players as its just not profitable unless you have a decent draw or maybe a read that theyre both passive. Loose maniac dosent fit into that category!


    Assmuming you were in position and last to act then taking a stab at the pot if checked to you is OK considering there is a pot worth winning but checking is fine here too if the "Loose Maniac" is likely to RR or is a calling station too.



    Hand 2:
    Your Range from calling the BB raise should be alot tighter. Its a 4x blind raise. .....In fact had you not hit the straight you would have lost the hand with Top Pair as he had the much better kicker.

    As played it was a ok flop and betting out here is fine, this hand is to weak to slowplay hoping someone will bet as there likely to outdraw you.
    I assume your asking about this because everyone folded and you missed out on a nice pot having a straight.


    Thanks for the reply!


    In 1, I thought a continuation bet might work, seeing as they had both limped and then called my 5.5xbb raise, and as the flop didnt appear to be help (unless they hit a set), and i didnt want to give a flush draw a free card.

    But with hindsight I probably would have been better off checking, especially with two others left inthe hand.

    2. I only called because he was trying to rob blinds a lot, and due to the player. (EG Q,4o was worth a raise pf oop - his range was so wide) But looking back I should have been more patient and waited for a better hand to play against him.

    The reason I posted that hand was not due to the small pot - I felt that I got really lucky there, and was looking for another opinion on what went wrong. Again with hindsight, a fold would have been the best option.



    Cheers for the replies.:)


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