This hand has been annoying me

pok3rplaya

Villan (zeer2342384) is 60/3/0.5. Very very passive. Dunno anything about the shorty, don't care either. Comments on everywhere please.


***** Hand History for Game 6001532451 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, May 25, 12:07:04 ET 2007
Table Table 127031 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ShiLLor ( $106.55 USD )
Seat 3: Adamkosh ( $102.50 USD )
Seat 6: zeer20012002 ( $127.40 USD )
Seat 5: lolImAmerican ( $142.10 USD )
Seat 4: zetero ( $144.20 USD )
Seat 2: brokerwurst ( $14.50 USD )
zeer20012002 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
ShiLLor is sitting out
brokerwurst posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolImAmerican [ As Ah ]
Adamkosh folds.
zetero folds.
lolImAmerican raises [$3 USD]
zeer20012002 calls [$2.50 USD]
brokerwurst raises [$4 USD]
lolImAmerican calls [$2 USD]
zeer20012002 calls [$2 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 6c, 6h ]
zeer20012002 checks.
brokerwurst is all-In.
lolImAmerican calls [$9.50 USD]----????
zeer20012002 calls [$9.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
zeer20012002 checks.
lolImAmerican bets [$30 USD]
zeer20012002 calls [$30 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ] Pot: ~100
zeer20012002 checks.
lolImAmerican bets [$90 USD] This will put him AI

cooker3

You played it a bit passive. I think you should raise pf or on the flop. The guy is clearly an calling station so he is probably calling if you get more aggressive.
I bet a bit higher on the turn as well if I reached that point.
River against this opponant seems ok, he would probably still call with nines or tens

RedJoker

The short stack is a bit of an annoyance here. You are obviously trying to keep zeer in but at 60/3/0.5 he might stay in if you raise enough to put shorty all in preflop.

A 6 is well within his range here as is 4-3 or even a gutshot. FWIW I'm value betting this the whole way to the river and expecting him to call with all sorts of crap.

If he had raised at some stage I would fold though.

eggie

I'd raise more pre flop, 4-5 to go, and also 4 bet after the shorty raises.

Villains with these type of stats like to see a lot of flops on the cheap, I wouldnt make it cheap even with position because he doesnt value position and only values cards, (he'll play the same in and out of position), if he has a hand then we can assume the flop hasnt hit him (if we re-raise pre flop), if he has QQ he'll prob get it in on the flop anyway and its just unlucky, if he has a six would he have folded to a re raise pre flop?

Hows the table playing? I would think not to aggressive or the standard pre flop raise is low if hes seeing 60% of flops?

ianmc38

Absolutely hate your preflop play.

pok3rplaya

cooker3 wrote:

You played it a bit passive. I think you should raise pf or on the flop. The guy is clearly an calling station so he is probably calling if you get more aggressive.
I bet a bit higher on the turn as well if I reached that point.
River against this opponant seems ok, he would probably still call with nines or tens

Any raise in these spots looks mega strong in what is essentially a protected pot, especially on the flop. Do I not lose value by raising?

It's a 3/4 pot bet in a not very drawy board.

pok3rplaya

eggie wrote:

I'd raise more pre flop, 4-5 to go, and also 4 bet after the shorty raises.

Villains with these type of stats like to see a lot of flops on the cheap, I wouldnt make it cheap even with position because he doesnt value position and only values cards, (he'll play the same in and out of position), if he has a hand then we can assume the flop hasnt hit him (if we re-raise pre flop), if he has QQ he'll prob get it in on the flop anyway and its just unlucky, if he has a six would he have folded to a re raise pre flop?

Hows the table playing? I would think not to aggressive or the standard pre flop raise is low if hes seeing 60% of flops?

That stat doesn't mean he sees 60% of flops. It just means he calls/raises pf 60% of the time. If someone raises after his limp he might fold.

pok3rplaya

ianmc38 wrote:

Absolutely hate your preflop play.

You'd rather reraise and win 10 then play an inflated pot in position against a station who is likely very easy to read and easy to get value from when we have the strongest hand possible?

ianmc38

pok3rplaya wrote:

You'd rather reraise and win 10 then play an inflated pot in position against a station who is likely very easy to read and easy to get value from when we have the strongest hand possible?

I'd rather reraise and isolate the station. You've put in $4 out of a stack of $100 and want to get as much in preflop to ensure you can get most of it in postflop. Bad players at .50/1 are more than happy to call your reraise with JQ/KQ type hands, so raise it up.

pok3rplaya

How can I isolate the station? The only players in the hand is me, station and shorty.

Shorty is coming along no matter what I do so if I reraise the least I can bump it to is the size of his stack, $14 or whatever. The question is say station calls this reraise x% of the time, does the (1-x) times he folds make the situation less profitable then letting him in to the flop cheap?

pok3rplaya

**** I shoulda minraised his reraise.

eggie

pok3rplaya wrote:

That stat doesn't mean he sees 60% of flops. It just means he calls/raises pf 60% of the time. If someone raises after his limp he might fold.

I didnt say he sees 60% of flops, I said he likes to see a lot of flops. With the shorty adding value to the pot I think the villain is more inclined to call a small re raise pre flop as the pot is bigger, bet sizing is obviously important to get him to come along and see a flop.

EDIT: I actually did say he sees 60% of flops, apologies, willing to see would be a more appropriate term.

eggie

cooker3 wrote:

You played it a bit passive. I think you should raise pf or on the flop. The guy is clearly an calling station so he is probably calling if you get more aggressive.
I bet a bit higher on the turn as well if I reached that point.
River against this opponant seems ok, he would probably still call with nines or tens

I think the river isnt good here, I check call mostly, wouldnt be surprised if he hit a back door flush. You dont beat much thats willing to call your all in.

cardshark202

I think postflop is fine, preflop is ok.

cooker3

pok3rplaya wrote:

Any raise in these spots looks mega strong in what is essentially a protected pot, especially on the flop. Do I not lose value by raising?

It's a 3/4 pot bet in a not very drawy board.

I am basing on this stats on his stats, he is involved in 60% of pots yet his af is .5. To me is the sort of guy who will call a re-raise with something like eights or nines. If you raise now you can get it in but if an scare card hits he may end up folding.

eggie wrote:

I think the river isnt good here, I check call mostly, wouldnt be surprised if he hit a back door flush. You dont beat much thats willing to call your all in.

He looks like the sort of guy who would call with eights or nines. I think this is a good part of his range. I wouldn't be worried too much about the flush. So betting for value looks good.

ianmc38

pok3rplaya wrote:

How can I isolate the station? The only players in the hand is me, station and shorty.

Shorty is coming along no matter what I do so if I reraise the least I can bump it to is the size of his stack, $14 or whatever. The question is say station calls this reraise x% of the time, does the (1-x) times he folds make the situation less profitable then letting him in to the flop cheap?

So you're saying you can pick up close to 20xbb uncontested prefop. Added to that is that th station might call the reraise. So really i see no point whatsoever in flat calling.