Season 4 & Beyond discussion - **DO NOT READ IF HAVENT SEEN FINALE**

Spiritus Mundi#

This is a complete guess/hope but here's my thoughts on how season 4, 5 ,6 might pan out:

Season 4 i should hope will open where it left off, help coming., finding out if Ben was right. As a lot of people noted in comments on the Finale, he wasn't very specific about the threat posed by Naomi's people, frankly nobody can blame Jack for not believing a word he says. If, as a lot of people are speculating, these 'rescuers' are in fact the real bad guys, then i'm willing to stick my neck out and guess that nobody will be leaving the island in season 4 ...people may very well leave with these rescuers only for Ben to be proved right and be killed/held captive. This could tie in with Jacks subsequent depression and reasons for wanting to set things right.

My overall predicition based on the Finale's final scene is that Season 6..... may well follow the Losties efforts to get BACK to the Island. The Writers always talk about a story-arc - it would be coming Full Circle if the show started off with a plane crashlanding on a mysterious island and ending with those same people intentionally trying to return. The very end payoff after 6 Seasons will be the core main surviving characters meeting in the Outside World and finding a way to return to the Island.

The above is complete prediction coming out of a tired, overactive mind!! No spoilers at all.


According to AICN Season 4 will definitely feature

flashbacks and flashforwards

. I'm not sure if that really needs to be spoilered for anyone who has seen the Finale, seems a reasonable assumption to make.

I think i have a lot more faith in the writers than a lot of people but i trust and hope they dont do anything in the direction of show that alienates the 'regular but not hardcore' viewer. The type of person who watches n loves the show but doesnt obsess over the mythology. I think the combination of both flashbacks and this new concept, if not handled properly could get confusing.

Also, if you think about it carefully, the show has always been in the realm of reality more so than sci-fi. Sure, strange things happen on this island from the very beginning - polar bears, apparitions, smoke monster, healing properties of the island, the numbers etc (its a pretty long list) but the core of the show is still very much reality based. Not only based in reality but in many ways its the relationships between the Losties that make the show what it is (as opposed to the supernatural/the island) - I think the further they go down the sci-fi route would be a mistake. I'm impressed by the way they've handled certain situations so far e.g. Jacob and am keen to see them play out over the coming seasons.



In terms of the actual structure of the show, it's a risky decision IMO to spread it out over 3 seasons over 2 longer ones. The television climate changes rapidly, ABC must be super-confident that the story-arc/payoff the writers have in store is top notch, otherwise they wouldnt have been confident in going for the 3 season route.

randomchild

I predict Locke has gone either into hiding to escape the "bad guys" on the boat, or to the temple to rally the others in an attempt to fight them.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

not sure how I feel about there being more flashfowards, I was kind of hoping the season 3 one would be the one and only (until very late on anyway). I was kind of hoping the show would continue on as usual, with the new bad guys making their appearance over time and the losties having to choose wether to trust them, trust the others or go it alone.. and us being kept in the dark as to which option would lead to the future we saw in season 3. This would leave us guessing the whole time about what is the right thing for them to do, but the more flash-forwards we get the more it will become apparent what the proper course of action for the losties is (or I suppose, what they are going to do.. regardless of how proper it is).

Spiritus Mundi#

Mordeth wrote:

not sure how I feel about there being more flashfowards, I was kind of hoping the season 3 one would be the one and only (until very late on anyway). I was kind of hoping the show would continue on as usual, with the new bad guys making their appearance over time and the losties having to choose wether to trust them, trust the others or go it alone.. and us being kept in the dark as to which option would lead to the future we saw in season 3. This would leave us guessing the whole time about what is the right thing for them to do, but the more flash-forwards we get the more it will become apparent what the proper course of action for the losties is (or I suppose, what they are going to do.. regardless of how proper it is).

Personally i like the concept a lot but i hear where you are coming from - if you imagine LOST as a jigsaw that we've been piecing together from the Pilot to now we're almost half way there yet we still had no idea what the jigsaw is supposed to look like. Now we're sorta been given a glimpse at the completed jigsaw, so we now have the picture on the box to work both backwards and forwards.

As i said in my OP, to me it would make sense if in fact these flashforwards are not in fact showing us "The End" but rather just more clues in an unravelling story. Also, it would be strange to introduce such a massive concept in the Finale and suddenly abandon it lock, stock n barrel (although to be fair , you could apply that statement to Penny & Portuguese guys from last season's Finale).

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

or the numbers, the button, the monster, the polar bear...

Sad Professor

I think flash-forwards are a brilliant concept but I don't think they'll reveal as much as you guys think. The real puzzle isn't *what* happens in the end but *how* it happens. Think back to the first season: Locke was in a wheelchair but we didn't know how he got in it; we knew Kate was a fugitive but we didn't know what she did to become one. The flash-forwards will provide us pieces of the puzzle but not the whole picture, the questions will soon become how did all this happen, what was the mistake Jack made, who's going to end up in the coffin, who's the "he" Kate refers to? And this is only the beginning.

Most of the mysteries that consume our discussion now are related to the island and it's past. Who were Dharma? Why did Ben initiate the purge? What is the monster? Purple sky? Button-pushing? And so on. The flash-forwards are unlikely to tell us any of this but they will give us impressions, which the writers can then twist and turn to shock us.

The flash-forward concept if done right has a lot of potential and I've no doubt the writers know how to use it to it's fullest. And I don't think we're going to have to wait that long for more of them either. It seems to me they were deliberately tying up many back-stories this season in anticipation for this. Usually there are hints about what later flashbacks will focus on but there's been none for any season 1 originals except Sayid (Juliet mentioned something about a "Basra incident").

Sinfonia

Sad Professor wrote:

Most of the mysteries that consume our discussion now are related to the island and it's past. Who were Dharma? Why did Ben initiate the purge? What is the monster? Purple sky? Button-pushing? And so on. The flash-forwards are unlikely to tell us any of this but they will give us impressions, which the writers can then twist and turn to shock us.

Don't we more or less have the answers to these?

Sad Professor

Yes, I was just giving examples.

Spiritus Mundi#

Mordeth wrote:

or the numbers, the button, the monster, the polar bear...

to be fair, none of these concepts were introduced and abandoned without trace. Perhaps we dont have the answers we would like to any of them, but all of the above mentioned have featured in many episodes. Whereas the Portuguese guys from last seasons Finale were the preverbial abandoned without a trace!

I cant see the writers introducing a theme or concept as big as the flashforward, describing it as a game-changer no less, and then ditch it. I think its safe to say the story will now be told from 3 perspectives: on-island present day, flashbacks and flashforwards. Comparing it to films, it may very well be more similar to Memento in feel. I honestly dont think the actual concept of time-travel will even remotely come into it.

Sad Professor

Spiritus Mundi# wrote:

I honestly dont think the actual concept of time-travel will even remotely come into it.

I hope so too, but there's a lot of alternative timeline theories floating around. I think time will play a roll in the end but hopefully it won't be of the Star Trek-reset-button variety. The fact that Jack is talking about going back to the island would seem to suggest there's more story to tell and this isn't just some dark-future that needs to be averted.

Ponster

Spiritus Mundi# wrote:

Whereas the Portuguese guys from last seasons Finale were the preverbial abandoned without a trace!

Not exactly IMHO.

They told Penny that they had located whatever it was that she told them to look for. The fact that Charlie was able to speak to her seconds after turning off the equipment meant that the signal was directed at the island though she wasn't aware that there was an island there.

Hobbes

Sad Professor wrote:

Locke was in a wheelchair but we didn't know how he got in it;

I'm pretty sure getting thrown out a window would do it.

we knew Kate was a fugitive but we didn't know what she did to become one.

She set fire to her fathers house while he was still in it.

Sad Professor

Hobbes, did you actually read my post? I was talking about back at the start of season 1 when we didn't know these things.

Bounty Hunter

those portugese guys - anyone remember that one of them looked exactly like Matthew fox with a beard just like Jack in the season finale, maybe thats him trying to find his way back.

OfflerCrocGod

Bounty Hunter wrote:

those portugese guys - anyone remember that one of them looked exactly like Matthew fox with a beard just like Jack in the season finale, maybe thats him trying to find his way back.

Yes I remember thinking that exact same thing the first time I saw him.

Anima

Why would Jack be speaking with a Portuguese accent?

Anyway Jack is on the Island when they detect the hatch going ape **** so he can't be in two places at once.

OfflerCrocGod

Anima wrote:

Why would Jack be speaking with a Portuguese accent?

Anyway Jack is on the Island when they detect the hatch going ape **** so he can't be in two places at once.

Exactly that's why at the time I just though it was some sort of little joke part Fox wanted to play just to act someone else in the series.

Kernel

I always subscribed to the purgatory theory, but now I'm thinking that the island is some kind of 'bermuda triangle' alternate dimension, and that when the survivors were taken back (as shown in the flash forward) that they were in an alternate reality, not their own reality. An example of this can be found with Jack referring to his father being alive again - when he should have been dead. That's why I think Ben was trying to prevent contact with the outside, he knew that if they were taken off the island they would never get back to their true reality, and this could be why Jack is trying so hard to get back to the island.

Interesting stuff for the season finale, though, and I remain a dedicated fan of the series.

podge018

I think Season 5 could have Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Locke get off the island, then we'll have present day situations both on and off the island in Season 6 with Jack persuading them to go back and the end of Season 6 will have them return to the island for the rest of the Losties.

Mitch Connor

Kernel wrote:

I always subscribed to the purgatory theory, but now I'm thinking that the island is some kind of 'bermuda triangle' alternate dimension, and that when the survivors were taken back (as shown in the flash forward) that they were in an alternate reality, not their own reality. An example of this can be found with Jack referring to his father being alive again - when he should have been dead. That's why I think Ben was trying to prevent contact with the outside, he knew that if they were taken off the island they would never get back to their true reality, and this could be why Jack is trying so hard to get back to the island.

Interesting stuff for the season finale, though, and I remain a dedicated fan of the series.

I just figured jack saying to go get his father was down to him being drunk, enforeced by the looks everyone gave him when he said it.

father_ted9t9

LOTS OF POSSIBLE SPOILERS>>>LOTS OF POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!! DO NOT READ IF U DONT WANNA KNOW POSSIBLE SPOILERS>>>Hi Guys, just read this on another site and some of the points are very interesting if true, have a look anyway and see what you think...

I'm pretty sure most people are gonna not believe this at first, but major plot leaks from a reliable source, whether you believe them or not. The reliable source is someone who works somehow related to the production of the show, and when the producers agreed to the deal for the show to end in 2010, they had to draw up a general plan for the show until then. Logically you would assume only a few people would have access to this, but in fact these facts came across a lot of people. So somewhere in that line of people came the reliable source, and here is me relaying it. I promise I'm not the source and i promise I'm not changing anything i've heard.

If this info has gotten to me, and consequently to you, whoever's reading, then obviously the producers will find out and may change things. I don't know. But this is just what I've found out and this is coming straight out of the plot outline the producers needed to draw up.

- There will be 3 "flash-forward" episodes 2008 season, 3 "flashforward episodes 2009 season (including its finale), and 10 of the 16 episodes in the 2010 season will be flashforwards.

- The 2008 season will begin with a "New character"-centric episode. All we konw is "new character"

- 2008 season premiere has partially been filmed already. The rescue does not occur by helicopter. They meet the ship on shore and the "rescuers" come on smaller boats.

- In the 2008 season premiere, during the episode a timespan of 2 days elapses, in which the "rescuers" get the Losties ready to leave.

- In the 2008 season premiere, the "rescuers" take body count of all who are buried on the beach or have died on the island, and Hurley will give brief synopsis of dead characters in monologue with flashbacks

- The Temple is a building, but mostly underground and is the first major set to be built for next season. Will include many "technological" props, such as monitors and computer switchboards.

- Sayyid is killed at the end of the Season Premiere as he discovers that the "rescuers" are Dharma Initiative. Naveen Andrews will continue to reprise his role throughout the remainder of the series, possibly in flashbacks. (Or maybe he doesn't really die, who knows)

- The character of Hurley will die during course of 2009 season. Unknown why or how, and whether his actor will come back for flashbacks.

(Here's where the info is kinda all over the place)

- Polar bears appear in the 2nd episode of the 2008 season

- Desmond gets out of the hatch in the 2008 season premiere

- Locke does not return to the show until severeal episodes into the 2008 season

- Explanation that is revealed near the end of the 2008 season: Dharma Initiative has created a "time door". One end of the door exists in present time in Antarctica. The other end of the door is the Island. However, the Island exists in the "time bubble" in which it remains in the past. Everytime someone (Desmond) pressed the switch in the Hatch, the Island was reset further back in its own time, while the present continued onward.

By nearly not pressing it, it opened the time bubble slightly, and Oceanic went through the bubble and crashed into the Island. When the hatch exploded, the time bubble was released, and accelerated into the present. It is Jack, Jin, and Desmond who come upon this knowledge by the leader of the Dharma Initiative in the Season Finale of 2008.

- 2009 season opens with a Ben-centric episode.

- 2009 season focuses on time travel, and several times characters will return to the "past" and revisit scenes from previous episodes.

- Michael will return to the cast in 2009. Unknown if Walt will.

- Smoke monster is defeated in 2009 season.

- Matrix-like storyline is presented in 2009 season, where "present" may actually be another time bubble. Dharma Initiative seeks to find an even farther "future".

- Jack discovers sibling relationship to Claire in 2009 season.

- 1/2 of the Survivors are "rescued" in 15th episode 2009, but time machine explodes. They are sent into a parallel time bubble which is a prison in a snow-bound place. Sun, Sawyer, Claire, Ben, and apparent new characters Rex and Toasty (code names for characters they haven't thought of yet?) are among the stranded.

- Juliet ambiguously dies in 2009 Season Finale.

- Dharma Initiative Conspiracy is revealed in 2009 Season Finale. Christian Shephard, Mr. Paik, Charles Widmore, and Richard Malkin are named as some of the members of the Dharma Initiative. Oceanic was intended to fly into different "time bubble", but when Desmond failed to press the button in the "island time bubble", Oceanic was caught between two time bubbles and crashed into the "island time bubble", which was deserted by the Dharma Iniative after Ben took it over.

The Operation was intended to place loved ones/friends of benefactors of the Dharma Initiative in a time bubble where they would be safe from an oncoming world catastrophe. The passengers of Oceanic were considered thsoe family/friends that would not willingly go through with a passage through the "time door" in Dharma Inititive headaquarters in Antarctica, therefore were brought together on Oceanic in order to safely land them on a new "Paradise" Island. However, the Operation failed when Desmond's mistake caused all incoming 'deliveries" to the "Paradise" Island to catastrophically land on the Island the survivors are now on. The 2009 Season Finale ends with Dharma showing the survivors the "Paradise Island", but once there, they realize it is desolate, and hundreds are inexplicably dead on this island. Jack finds his own dead body on this island.

- The 2010 Season Finale begins with the rescue of the survivors stranded in the Dharma "Prison bubble". All survivors/Dharma are returned to the original island by the 3rd episode.

- There is no more time travel (between time bubbles) in 2010 season after the Season Premiere. Focus is on getting rebuilding the "door" in order to be transported back to the present

- New faction of survivors/Dharma are led by Locke and another character simply named Black-suit (again, maybe a code name for an as of now unknown character), in an attempt to not allow anyone to leave the island in 2010 season.

- Yunjun Kim will relatively be absent for most of the 2010 season. No details on whether she is killed or not. Jin, however, is mentioned throughout the details of the 2010 season.

- A new smoke monster is built in the 2010 season.

- Juliet returns in 5th episode in 2010 season., only to die at hands of Sawyer in order to save everyone from new smoke monster

- Mikhail (yes, some-freaking-how) is mentioned as setting off a bomb that causes the "good" group of people to be split up on the Island in 2010 season.

- Ben is killed by Locke in 9th episode of 2010 season, titled "Hunger of Memory".

- The series finale comprises a final confrontation between Jack and Locke in a new "hatch".

- Here is the list of people "transported" to present time at the end of the 2010 season finale: Ballerina (?), Tap-Dancer (?), Kate (we know her), Sawyer (anotehr one we know), Musky (?), Jin (know him), Jack (yay), Claire (what about her baby?), and someone simply named Insert (yeah, Insert).

- Many, many names for deaths in series finale, here are some interesting ones: Catholic, Tape, Cus-cus, and Doc. Lets look back on this years from now and figure out who they were referring to.

- Among the names that we do know for death in series finale, are Desmond and Penelope (I don't know how the heck she gets on the island).

- Series finale ends with survivors in Dharma headquarters. They are asked to keep a vow of silence, and in turn are promised a return to the "Paradise Island" once it is ready. The survivors are again transported back in time, to when Oceanic crashed. The crash now actually occurs in present time waters, and unbeknownst to the passengers, Jack and the others are from the future (past, whatever the hell they're from). Oceanic crashes, but all the passengers survive.

When returned home, all the passengers become media icons. However, Jin is now with a Sun who does not know about what happened on the island, and must reconcile with her, without those experiences he had on the island. Kate is immediately brought into custody, but her charges are lessened due to the circumstances, and she has saved Boone's life in this plane crash. Claire gives birth to her baby at the end (possibly her "island" baby has died?). Months go by and those who were part of the series' events are not contacted by Dharma. They meet together and want to just let it go. Some want to try to find the Dharma Initiative. However, Dharma warned them that if they tried to find them, they would be killed.

Sawyer is killed in a "random" shooting. Jack is convinced it is Dharma behind it. Kate disobeys are parole officer and goes with Jack to confront Sun's father. There they meet Christian Shephard, supposedly from some kind of future or something. Christian explains that the Dharma Initiative has failed and was completely destroyed. Christian refuses to kill Jack and Kate and lets them go. Kate cannot return to the public because she is a fugitive. Jack has killed Sun's father as well. They retreat to an island in the Pacific and Lost ends with them sitting on a beach there.

stevejazzx

father_ted9t9 wrote:

LOTS OF POSSIBLE SPOILERS>>>LOTS OF POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!! DO NOT READ IF U DONT WANNA KNOW POSSIBLE SPOILERS>>>Hi Guys, just read this on another site and some of the points are very interesting if true, have a look anyway and see what you think...

I'm pretty sure most people are gonna not believe this at first, but major plot leaks from a reliable source, whether you believe them or not. The reliable source is someone who works somehow related to the production of the show, and when the producers agreed to the deal for the show to end in 2010, they had to draw up a general plan for the show until then. Logically you would assume only a few people would have access to this, but in fact these facts came across a lot of people. So somewhere in that line of people came the reliable source, and here is me relaying it. I promise I'm not the source and i promise I'm not changing anything i've heard.

If this info has gotten to me, and consequently to you, whoever's reading, then obviously the producers will find out and may change things. I don't know. But this is just what I've found out and this is coming straight out of the plot outline the producers needed to draw up.

- There will be 3 "flash-forward" episodes 2008 season, 3 "flashforward episodes 2009 season (including its finale), and 10 of the 16 episodes in the 2010 season will be flashforwards.

- The 2008 season will begin with a "New character"-centric episode. All we konw is "new character"

- 2008 season premiere has partially been filmed already. The rescue does not occur by helicopter. They meet the ship on shore and the "rescuers" come on smaller boats.

- In the 2008 season premiere, during the episode a timespan of 2 days elapses, in which the "rescuers" get the Losties ready to leave.

- In the 2008 season premiere, the "rescuers" take body count of all who are buried on the beach or have died on the island, and Hurley will give brief synopsis of dead characters in monologue with flashbacks

- The Temple is a building, but mostly underground and is the first major set to be built for next season. Will include many "technological" props, such as monitors and computer switchboards.

- Sayyid is killed at the end of the Season Premiere as he discovers that the "rescuers" are Dharma Initiative. Naveen Andrews will continue to reprise his role throughout the remainder of the series, possibly in flashbacks. (Or maybe he doesn't really die, who knows)

- The character of Hurley will die during course of 2009 season. Unknown why or how, and whether his actor will come back for flashbacks.

(Here's where the info is kinda all over the place)

- Polar bears appear in the 2nd episode of the 2008 season

- Desmond gets out of the hatch in the 2008 season premiere

- Locke does not return to the show until severeal episodes into the 2008 season

- Explanation that is revealed near the end of the 2008 season: Dharma Initiative has created a "time door". One end of the door exists in present time in Antarctica. The other end of the door is the Island. However, the Island exists in the "time bubble" in which it remains in the past. Everytime someone (Desmond) pressed the switch in the Hatch, the Island was reset further back in its own time, while the present continued onward.

By nearly not pressing it, it opened the time bubble slightly, and Oceanic went through the bubble and crashed into the Island. When the hatch exploded, the time bubble was released, and accelerated into the present. It is Jack, Jin, and Desmond who come upon this knowledge by the leader of the Dharma Initiative in the Season Finale of 2008.

- 2009 season opens with a Ben-centric episode.

- 2009 season focuses on time travel, and several times characters will return to the "past" and revisit scenes from previous episodes.

- Michael will return to the cast in 2009. Unknown if Walt will.

- Smoke monster is defeated in 2009 season.

- Matrix-like storyline is presented in 2009 season, where "present" may actually be another time bubble. Dharma Initiative seeks to find an even farther "future".

- Jack discovers sibling relationship to Claire in 2009 season.

- 1/2 of the Survivors are "rescued" in 15th episode 2009, but time machine explodes. They are sent into a parallel time bubble which is a prison in a snow-bound place. Sun, Sawyer, Claire, Ben, and apparent new characters Rex and Toasty (code names for characters they haven't thought of yet?) are among the stranded.

- Juliet ambiguously dies in 2009 Season Finale.

- Dharma Initiative Conspiracy is revealed in 2009 Season Finale. Christian Shephard, Mr. Paik, Charles Widmore, and Richard Malkin are named as some of the members of the Dharma Initiative. Oceanic was intended to fly into different "time bubble", but when Desmond failed to press the button in the "island time bubble", Oceanic was caught between two time bubbles and crashed into the "island time bubble", which was deserted by the Dharma Iniative after Ben took it over.

The Operation was intended to place loved ones/friends of benefactors of the Dharma Initiative in a time bubble where they would be safe from an oncoming world catastrophe. The passengers of Oceanic were considered thsoe family/friends that would not willingly go through with a passage through the "time door" in Dharma Inititive headaquarters in Antarctica, therefore were brought together on Oceanic in order to safely land them on a new "Paradise" Island. However, the Operation failed when Desmond's mistake caused all incoming 'deliveries" to the "Paradise" Island to catastrophically land on the Island the survivors are now on. The 2009 Season Finale ends with Dharma showing the survivors the "Paradise Island", but once there, they realize it is desolate, and hundreds are inexplicably dead on this island. Jack finds his own dead body on this island.

- The 2010 Season Finale begins with the rescue of the survivors stranded in the Dharma "Prison bubble". All survivors/Dharma are returned to the original island by the 3rd episode.

- There is no more time travel (between time bubbles) in 2010 season after the Season Premiere. Focus is on getting rebuilding the "door" in order to be transported back to the present

- New faction of survivors/Dharma are led by Locke and another character simply named Black-suit (again, maybe a code name for an as of now unknown character), in an attempt to not allow anyone to leave the island in 2010 season.

- Yunjun Kim will relatively be absent for most of the 2010 season. No details on whether she is killed or not. Jin, however, is mentioned throughout the details of the 2010 season.

- A new smoke monster is built in the 2010 season.

- Juliet returns in 5th episode in 2010 season., only to die at hands of Sawyer in order to save everyone from new smoke monster

- Mikhail (yes, some-freaking-how) is mentioned as setting off a bomb that causes the "good" group of people to be split up on the Island in 2010 season.

- Ben is killed by Locke in 9th episode of 2010 season, titled "Hunger of Memory".

- The series finale comprises a final confrontation between Jack and Locke in a new "hatch".

- Here is the list of people "transported" to present time at the end of the 2010 season finale: Ballerina (?), Tap-Dancer (?), Kate (we know her), Sawyer (anotehr one we know), Musky (?), Jin (know him), Jack (yay), Claire (what about her baby?), and someone simply named Insert (yeah, Insert).

- Many, many names for deaths in series finale, here are some interesting ones: Catholic, Tape, Cus-cus, and Doc. Lets look back on this years from now and figure out who they were referring to.

- Among the names that we do know for death in series finale, are Desmond and Penelope (I don't know how the heck she gets on the island).

- Series finale ends with survivors in Dharma headquarters. They are asked to keep a vow of silence, and in turn are promised a return to the "Paradise Island" once it is ready. The survivors are again transported back in time, to when Oceanic crashed. The crash now actually occurs in present time waters, and unbeknownst to the passengers, Jack and the others are from the future (past, whatever the hell they're from). Oceanic crashes, but all the passengers survive.

When returned home, all the passengers become media icons. However, Jin is now with a Sun who does not know about what happened on the island, and must reconcile with her, without those experiences he had on the island. Kate is immediately brought into custody, but her charges are lessened due to the circumstances, and she has saved Boone's life in this plane crash. Claire gives birth to her baby at the end (possibly her "island" baby has died?). Months go by and those who were part of the series' events are not contacted by Dharma. They meet together and want to just let it go. Some want to try to find the Dharma Initiative. However, Dharma warned them that if they tried to find them, they would be killed.

Sawyer is killed in a "random" shooting. Jack is convinced it is Dharma behind it. Kate disobeys are parole officer and goes with Jack to confront Sun's father. There they meet Christian Shephard, supposedly from some kind of future or something. Christian explains that the Dharma Initiative has failed and was completely destroyed. Christian refuses to kill Jack and Kate and lets them go. Kate cannot return to the public because she is a fugitive. Jack has killed Sun's father as well. They retreat to an island in the Pacific and Lost ends with them sitting on a beach there.

Andrew something, the english guy who came up with the first ever big lost theory of everything about how the crash was planned and how Alvar hanso s name came into being reformatted his theory about a year ago and it is more or less what you have printed above. I don't believe this although parts of it are very convincing. I reckon it's someones thoery and ultimately a foiler. I'd be very surprised if the writers let that much information out even to the executive producers. Also this theory is too close to the one I threw up here a couple of weeks ago and I'm never right so...

Miguel_Sanchez

That's great. Don't need to watch any more Lost now.

Kiith

Most of that seemed like a load of crap. Although...

The Operation was intended to place loved ones/friends of benefactors of the Dharma Initiative in a time bubble where they would be safe from an oncoming world catastrophe. The passengers of Oceanic were considered thsoe family/friends that would not willingly go through with a passage through the "time door" in Dharma Inititive headaquarters in Antarctica, therefore were brought together on Oceanic in order to safely land them on a new "Paradise" Island.

Some of that doesnt sound too stupid. Also...

Desmond gets out of the hatch in the 2008 season premiere

Didnt this happen like 2 seasons ago? And...

They (Jack and Kate) retreat to an island in the Pacific and Lost ends with them sitting on a beach there.

This would mean that the two bodies that Jack and Kate found in the cave in season 1, are in fact their own bodies.

bogmanfan

I think it would be great if some of the action switched to the 'real world'. For instance, some of them get off the island, but when they try to find it again to rescue the others, they can't find it. Then action switches to who is responsible etc. etc. I don't think everything can be resolved while they are all on the island.

stevejazzx

Kiith wrote:

Didnt this happen like 2 seasons ago? And...

I imagine he means the submarine hatch....

kiith wrote:

This would mean that the two bodies that Jack and Kate found in the cave in season 1, are in fact their own bodies.

Well you know the writers never denied this theory.

Royale with Cheese

God, if time travel becomes a major theme of lost I might have to stop watching.

kronsington

that was an interesting read but ill be surprised if most of it materialises, some of it is very convincing

i honestly believe hurley is the last character as they would kill on the show and would say is virtually untouchable, he's the only truely good, decent person on the island and that much be a major surprise (well, to me anyway)

a good find nonetheless, im sure plenty of similar things will crop up in the coming months

what site did the synopsis come from originally?

Sad Professor

I think we're going to see the characters get split up again next season. I reckon Sawyer, Juliet, Hurley, etc will be standing on the beach when the rescuers arrive only to get guns pointed in their faces and will spend much of the season in captivity. While at the same time Jack, Ben and the rest of the survivors will hightail it to the barracks and activate the fence. Locke will probably go to the "Temple" with the Others and disappear for a while. Des might get caught too but not before sending Charlie's message to Jack, or maybe he'll end up with Locke.

Also I don't think Smokey is going to be too happy to see these "bad guys" .

Sad Professor

Also on the subject of flash-forwards I thought I'd post this snipet from an interview Damon and Carlton did a couple of weeks before the finale aired. They're very cryptic of course but their comments definately seem to suggest that the flash-forwards will become a regular part of the show next season.

Okay. But will the flashback structure be part of the show going forward?
LINDELOF: Let's have that conversation after the finale.

Does the finale set up season four?
CUSE: Yes. The finale clearly sets up season four of the show, and hopefully in doing so, people will see there is still a lot of storytelling left in Lost and will feel really good about the 48 number.
LINDELOF: And it will make you realize that the house you are standing in actually has a lot more rooms than you thought when you came into it.

Source: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20038202_3,00.html

Gillie

Can't feckin wait now. The ending really threw me last nite. Flash forwards. How Clever and annoying at the same time!

AdMMM

The flashforward not only introduces a new dimension in terms of story telling but from a business standpoint, it enables them generate money from product placement. This was something that they were unable to do with their flashbacks and I think it will be interesting to see how bad the product placement gets!

lady_j

|.Murderer.| wrote:

The flashforward not only introduces a new dimension in terms of story telling but from a business standpoint, it enables them generate money from product placement. This was something that they were unable to do with their flashbacks and I think it will be interesting to see how bad the product placement gets!

Why couldnt they have product placements in the flashbacks? Its not like all the flashbacks go back 40 years...

AdMMM

They went back to 2001 and companies couldn't place their latest products in flashbacks that purport to have occured 6 years earlier.

Sad Professor

Kristin at eonline is now reporting that Harold Perrineau (Michael) has been offered to return to the show as a series regular.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=c7ca2b22-a461-48c9-9c3d-444798ed50a5

failsafe

Kernel wrote:

I always subscribed to the purgatory theory, but now I'm thinking that the island is some kind of 'bermuda triangle' alternate dimension, and that when the survivors were taken back (as shown in the flash forward) that they were in an alternate reality, not their own reality. An example of this can be found with Jack referring to his father being alive again - when he should have been dead. That's why I think Ben was trying to prevent contact with the outside, he knew that if they were taken off the island they would never get back to their true reality, and this could be why Jack is trying so hard to get back to the island.

Interesting stuff for the season finale, though, and I remain a dedicated fan of the series.

The one thing I've noticed about lost theories is that they're always so elaborate and yet turn out to be the simplest of things in the show! Instead of purgatory/bermuda triangle etc I'd say it was just Ben using technology to cloak the island. Jack was drunk and forgot his dad was dead. And he wants to get back to the island where he had purpose and was a leader (and maybe there's another draw that we'll find out later) and also because he came back to a world where his father is dead and his ex-wife is pregnant with another mans child!

PullMyFinger!

kronsington wrote:

what site did the synopsis come from originally?

http://lostrumours.blogspot.com/2007/05/lost-revealed.html


Not a reputable source to say the least

its all garbage.

Spirogyra-mud

I heard someone talking about the lost programme on the radio on the last day it was shown on rte2...and they said that it was the LAST LOST SERIES EVER? So then I rushed home to make sure I watched it...thinking that finally everything was going to fall into place and everything would be tied up in a nice wee box...but eh it doesnt seem like that!? What da fok like ...im confused? Is it the end...or do I have to watch more because my patience is wearing thin :rolleyes:

Spirogyra-mud

And I just want some simple answers like... Lost is all about da dee dum.

Sad Professor

There will be 3 more seasons of 16 episodes, so no this is not the end. They only recently reached agreement with ABC about an end date so that's probably what you heard been discussed.

stevejazzx

How many times..when Jack talks about his father being dead he is being bitterly ironic. Becasue he is drunk and the surgeon tells him he can't perform the operation Jack thinks back to his fathers realtive impunity in the exact same situation. It was just a clever platform for the writers to disguise the 'flashforward; in making us think that this was pre Island.

The theory above is nonsense becasue it says the reason why the losties were brought to Island is that they were all loved ones of the Dahrma mian players like Paik, Christian Shepard etc taken ot the island becasue of an impending world diaster but the flashforward is two and a half years post Island and there has obviously been no world diaster.

jackdaw

actually interesting point raised about the numbers , the button ?
was this ever FULLY answered ? what was the purpose of the hatch ?
to vent Magnetic energy ? which now has been broken by the failsafe ?
in which case why bother having 2 guys pushing the button ?
whats the difference now ?
Did pushing the button keep the island hidden somehow ?
and now that is how Penny and the other (Naomis) boat found it ??


I wonder will ALL the q's be fully answered by the end of S6,
a part of me hopes not.. sometimes a mystery is good..
the problem is if you try and wrap everything up and explain EVERYTHING
you can have a shít ending ... X Files comes to mind here..

writers are going to have to be really careful here ...
I mean so far so good but ..

podge018

A lot of people think it's Locke in the coffin. I dispute that, if Locke got off the island he'd be back in a wheelchair, that would make it pretty impossible to hang himself from a beam in a loft.

dan_y

podge018 wrote:

A lot of people think it's Locke in the coffin. I dispute that, if Locke got off the island he'd be back in a wheelchair, that would make it pretty impossible to hang himself from a beam in a loft.

why?

lady_j

|.Murderer.| wrote:

They went back to 2001 and companies couldn't place their latest products in flashbacks that purport to have occured 6 years earlier.

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? sorry I just dont see your point. Sure they can't advertise latest mobile technologies, but whats to stop them putting in a can of coke, a beer etc?

Kernel

podge018 wrote:

A lot of people think it's Locke in the coffin. I dispute that, if Locke got off the island he'd be back in a wheelchair, that would make it pretty impossible to hang himself from a beam in a loft.

DON'T TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN'T DO!

Mellor

Sad Professor wrote:

There will be 3 more seasons of 16 episodes, so no this is not the end. They only recently reached agreement with ABC about an end date so that's probably what you heard been discussed.

Is it not two of 18 and one of 12

I know they said 48 more, but i thought they also said that the last was shorter

Mellor

you dont know he would be in a wheelchair, the island healed his back, it wont defo break again if he leaves, its not like a tumour that would return

Sad Professor

Mellor wrote:

Is it not two of 18 and one of 12

I know they said 48 more, but i thought they also said that the last was shorter

No, it's definitely 3 of 16. They originally wanted 2 more full seasons but ABC wanted 3 so they both came to a compromise.

3greenrizla's

Kernel wrote:

DON'T TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN'T DO!

Locke isn't the only one that i have heard saying this & it was being repeated quite a bit for a while, I wonder is this going to be part of the overall "meaning" of lost.

Average-Ro

Didn't the creators say that there was a reasonable and true to life explanation for everything? Well, time travel.....?