Sorry Day for Ireland

ianhobo

Giving the way things are looking so far with the tallies, i personnaly think it is a sad day for Ireland that Fianna Fail and Bertie Ahern are back for another term.

We can now look forward to more public project mis-management, hospital privatisation (only Bertie and his rich friends will soon be able to attend), better tax breaks (again!) for the highest paid, more wonderful roads and less public transport (and no, the metro is always 3 years behind!! (see project mis-management)), more political corruption, developer corruption, greed, "The money was only resting in my briefcase" (Father Ted) oops, i mean Bertie Ahern, and we'll throw in a little bit of sucking up to aul George Bush.

While I certainly am not naive enough to think that there is a perfect goverment out there, one who can correctly manage the vast issues and money while keeping everyone happy, I believe that most could do it a damn sight better than Fianna Fail have done.

FG are not a perfect answer, but at least they would have had a bit of interest and drive in running the country for a while, rather than FF sitting on their comfortable laurels. They've lost interest, like most people lose interest in things after 10 years!!

I know of not ONE SINGLE PERSON who voted FF, but yet it seems they have a near 50% take on the votes???? Is it the same "set in their ways, regardless" (older) people carrying this? mixed with the low youth turnout ??

I am really amazed that the irish people can be soo happy with the current governmetns performance that they want them back for another term.

I'm going to stop here, because this will probably be deleted.
Sorry for the rant, just.....Grrrrrr!!!

Ian

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PCros

I'm 22 and I voted for three FF and one indo.

They are the best of a bad lot by a long shot!

Kimbot

ianhobo wrote:

I know of not ONE SINGLE PERSON who voted FF, but yet it seems they have a near 50% take on the votes???? Is it the same "set in their ways, regardless" (older) people carrying this? mixed with the low youth turnout ??

Why do you think Bertie wanted a thursday vote??
Its the day for drawing the pension so while they are out they might aswell vote!! Students and young workers travelling all over the country working means they chose not to vote because they were busy etc!!

Pal

sorry to hear you're so unhappy.
actually, on second thoughts,

horseflesh

ianhobo wrote:

I am really amazed that the irish people can be soo happy with the current governmetns performance that they want them back for another term.

I really don't understand why people are "amazed" at that.
Most people (yes, definitely most) are much better off now than they were 10 years ago, very simple.

The individual's bottom line seems to be the main "issue".

CerebralCortex

I'm on your side OP so are all my friends. The only young people I've encountered who have voted FF are rich kids or they have family affiliations which is the same as being rich.

Grow up, kids

ianhobo wrote:

I know of not ONE SINGLE PERSON who voted FF, but yet it seems they have a near 50% take on the votes???? Is it the same "set in their ways, regardless" (older) people carrying this? mixed with the low youth turnout ??

Hi, I'm GUK, a 28 year old man who voted for FF this time. Nice to meet you.

There you go, you know me now.

Noopti

27 and I voted for FF & Labour.

It was very close for me, but in the end I couldn't justify Enda Kenny as leader of our country. It would be like voting in a personality like Pat Kenny!

The opposition parties campaign was all about negativity, without putting coherent policies forward themselves, and the alliance for change seemed to be a recipe for disaster. I choose to stick with a government that has delivered on one of the most important factors, the economy, and was willing to give them a chance to make things right with regards to health & crime.

bemmet

I came in here expecting this ridiculous level of commentary and am not dissapointed.

It must have been the stupid people who voted Fianna fail ,how could they do such a ridiculous thing ?I know so much better - why can the population not see what I see, that type of juvenile stuff.
Significant elements of the media must also be feeling the same way .
They felt they could lead this ludicrous "mood for change" .



In a democracy ,the people have voted and made clear their decision .
Live with it .

horseflesh

jonny24ie wrote:

Why do you think Bertie wanted a thursday vote??
Its the day for drawing the pension so while they are out they might aswell vote!! Students and young workers travelling all over the country working means they chose not to vote because they were busy etc!!

Wow, conspiracy theories ahoy.......

ianhobo

ok, but did you vote for those 3 FF because of their personal performance as local representatives for you? Or for the good of the FF party?
That is something that is hard to seperate (for me personally anyway).
But of course, I can't speak about your FF representatives, only my own, and those that one would hear about in the media etc
One of my FF reps is a complete waste of space, totally looking in the wrong direction imho

simu

Boards is dripping with bitterness today! People are being a bit melodramatic!

I'm not surprised at this result tbh - most people I talked to about the campaign were not convinced that FG and Labour would make a good government tbh.

TCollins

I wouldnt consider myself old either. Pleased to meet you.

I really , really wanted to vote for an alternative to FF/PD but the opposition just werent doing it for me. I think they lost the plot totally in the last few weeks and i'm sorry but i just couldnt do it.
Sadly i had to go for the lesser of 2 evils, but i did want the PDs gone. Wouldnt mind the greens taking their place.

I think a lot of people decided to get rid of the PDs too, but not necessarilyrid of FF.

DirkVoodoo

I was out with some friends last night. We are all 23/24, only 2 dubliners and all just a year out of college.

2 from Kilkenny, 1 from Wexford, 1 from Roscommon. Didn't vote because they are all registered back home. The other lad from Laois did because he is currently working back home.

How many student votes are lost because of this thursday voting scheme?

PCros

CerebralCortex wrote:

I'm on your side OP so are all my friends. The only young people I've encountered who have voted FF are rich kids or they have family affiliations which is the same as being rich.

Oh dear.....Ok I'm from Swords, middle of the road town and I'm not rich! I voted FF coz they are the only party with balls!

Yes you wanted FG and Labour....two parties with conflicting policies? Good stuff!

Time Magazine

They have between 39-41% of the vote (depending on Garret's analysis and the exit poll). They won't have an overall majority and they did well within the rules of the game (which we all agreed to) and fair play to them. The people have spoken.

daveirl

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Smarmore

jonny24ie wrote:

Why do you think Bertie wanted a thursday vote??
Its the day for drawing the pension so while they are out they might aswell vote!! Students and young workers travelling all over the country working means they chose not to vote because they were busy etc!!

Myself and 2 of my mates drove home to Louth and Monaghan yesterday evening to vote and we're all between 25 and 26. That's a lame excuse!! There were free return buses to Louth and Monaghan yesterday.

crazymike

Hi Ian,

I couldn't agree more with you. It really is a sad day for Ireland. I can only conclude that people in this country are afraid of political change. Again we will most likely see a party, which is tainted by corruption, governing us for the next 5 years. God bless all of us who need a hospital visit in future or who are thinking of buying a house. I am really angry, but I suppose they were voted in again "democratically". This election is making me sick already and it just can't get out of my head why people vote the same shower in all the time.

A prime minister of any other European nation, who states that "health is a peripheral issue" when it quite clearly isn't would have been voted out. Can you also imagine Gordon Brown accepting money from a whipround after holding a speech? People in the UK would have asked for his resignation.......over here in Ireland though, "aah, fair play to him for being so clever, I would have done the same". Shameful really........

I am not saying that everyone should be dammed who voted Fianna Fail, it's up to you who you vote for, but I think more people should have done their homework in regards to this election. Sorry, I'm just really pissed off and angry that again we have to put up with the same cocky and arrogant shower. The saddest thing of all is that people will be complaining in a few months time over government policies. At this stage I would even emigrate up North.....

Cyrus

i voted FF/PD as did most of my friends, work colleagues, we're all 24-27, ucd/trinity graduates in the acc/law professions.

we have enough sense to see the good the govt has done and not desire change for changes sake which the whole oppostion was built one

ianhobo

Grow up, kids wrote:

Hi, I'm GUK, a 28 year old man who voted for FF this time. Nice to meet you.

There you go, you know me now.

Ha Ha Nice to meet you


Too many other posts to reply too, but to BEMMET, me posting my own feelings are not Juenile (however maybe i shouldnt have labelled that all of Ireland follow my feelings), but I am speaking of my opinions and those of my friends, which for me is 100% of everyone I know not voting FF, so obviously I little shocked that the rest of the country is so different given my own independent sample

Democracy? Yeah, a 62% democracy........think about it.....

with FF getting less than 50% of that.......31%.... is it still the majroity?? i belive that is now 70% who DO NOT want FF ....hmmmmmmm

TCollins

How long have people had to check the register and register where they were going to be on election day.

Whatever day it was going to be called on, it would be more sensible to register where you currently live during the week.

Those who didnt take steps to ensure they got to vote, whether at home or where they are in college, just p1ssed their vote away and didnt deserve to vote never mind about complaining about it.

Pal

I'm a little older than most of the posters here.
I also voted FF because it made sense.

daveirl

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LoL so true.
They could all have voted where they lived.
Even commuters had a good chance with the 1030 close and the turnout is well up on 02.

daveirl

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irishash

the people are getting the government they have voted for and deserve.

they have voted for standing still in life and for thinking that things are going to stay great forever even though all the signs are that thanks to mis-management from the outgoing government, it will not be. they are thinking only of themsleves and not the country as a whole.

well good luck and goodbye - i am leaving the country i love and going somewhere (anywhere) where i know life will be better than in this f**ked up excuse for a country.

scojones

ianhobo wrote:

Giving the way things are looking so far with the tallies, i personnaly think it is a sad day for Ireland that Fianna Fail and Bertie Ahern are back for another term.

We can now look forward to more public project mis-management, hospital privatisation (only Bertie and his rich friends will soon be able to attend), better tax breaks (again!) for the highest paid, more wonderful roads and less public transport (and no, the metro is always 3 years behind!! (see project mis-management)), more political corruption, developer corruption, greed, "The money was only resting in my briefcase" (Father Ted) oops, i mean Bertie Ahern, and we'll throw in a little bit of sucking up to aul George Bush.

While I certainly am not naive enough to think that there is a perfect goverment out there, one who can correctly manage the vast issues and money while keeping everyone happy, I believe that most could do it a damn sight better than Fianna Fail have done.

FG are not a perfect answer, but at least they would have had a bit of interest and drive in running the country for a while, rather than FF sitting on their comfortable laurels. They've lost interest, like most people lose interest in things after 10 years!!

I know of not ONE SINGLE PERSON who voted FF, but yet it seems they have a near 50% take on the votes???? Is it the same "set in their ways, regardless" (older) people carrying this? mixed with the low youth turnout ??

I am really amazed that the irish people can be soo happy with the current governmetns performance that they want them back for another term.

I'm going to stop here, because this will probably be deleted.
Sorry for the rant, just.....Grrrrrr!!!

Ian

My sentiments exactly.

Smarmore

There was a postal vote as well!! Maybe the students were too busy with exams to arrange that though.

cast_iron

DirkVoodoo wrote:

How many student votes are lost because of this thursday voting scheme?

Quite alot, I'd imagine.

But that's mainly because they couldn't be bothered to register for a postal vote. If they wanted to, they could have. It took me all of 20 mins to sort it all out, mainly because I give a damn.

Don't complain if you didn't try.

ianhobo

Smarmore wrote:

There was a postal vote as well!! Maybe the students were too busy with exams to arrange that though.

The final day for Postal voting applications was May 1st.
The election was called april 29th (now give or day a day or two on my dates)
That gives, reasonably, no realistic time to register for postal votes. My brother lives abroad (since January) and was not able to register in time, and he didnt delay about it!

And to the Law graduate form trinity (oh the stereotype ha ha) what about FF "makes sense". You think they have done more good, than bad? Or that their good outways their bad? Please explain for me...
(and I dont mean how the top earners got TWO tax breaks in the lat 5 years...)

Boston

I R DA Student (in the middle of Final year exams no less) and I voted Fianna Fail. Tbh the shear level of stupidity of alot of Anti Fianna Fail group would put most off being truthful about how you voted. You're either made to feel stupid of selfish if you say you voted for FF, by some of the more "enlightened" posters.

Pleb: "What do you mean you voted for FF, don't you care about the Dolphins and mother earth, and Jesus"

Me: "No get away from me hippy".

Pleb: "Try some tofu"

jmayo

All I hope is that all the ones that voted FF will experience the health service and all the other cock ups that have been perpetrated on the Irish people over last 10 years.

Maybe they will get to see one of their love ones sitting on a hospital trolley for days or get to see one of their elderly relatives waste away in a crap nursing home that has been built and run by one of the private health care contributors that are in for the tax breaks.

Maybe they will get to spend 4 hours a day in traffic and eventually make their way home to their negative equity in the middle of nowhere.

Maybe they will see one of the loved ones get the crap beat out of them or worse still be killed because they happen to be working in the wrong house.

How can anybody say the other crowd are worse when they are not even given a chance?
And we laugh at the Americans voting George Bush in.

daveirl

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horseflesh

irishash wrote:

the people are getting the government they have voted for and deserve.

they have voted for standing still in life and for thinking that things are going to stay great forever even though all the signs are that thanks to mis-management from the outgoing government, it will not be. they are thinking only of themsleves and not the country as a whole.

well good luck and goodbye - i am leaving the country i love and going somewhere (anywhere) where i know life will be better than in this f**ked up excuse for a country.

Cheerio.

Boston

ianhobo wrote:

The final day for Postal voting applications was May 1st.
The election was called april 29th (now give or day a day or two on my dates)
That gives, reasonably, no realistic time to register for postal votes. My brother lives abroad (since January) and was not able to register in time, and he didnt delay about it!

You know, most colleges in Ireland are currently outside term time.

And to the Law graduate form trinity (oh the stereotype ha ha) what about FF "makes sense". You think they have done more good, than bad? Or that their good outways their bad? Please explain for me...
(and I dont mean how the top earners got TWO tax breaks in the lat 5 years...)

It's like this, I'd like a job sometime in the next five years. I did it for the money. Also I'm an engineering student from trinity

jmayo

Boston wrote:

I R DA Student (in the middle of Final year exams no less) and I voted Fianna Fail. Tbh the shear level of stupidity of alot of Anti Fianna Fail group would put most off being truthful about how you voted. You're either made to feel stupid of selfish if you say you voted for FF, by some of the more "enlightened" posters.

Pleb: "What do you mean you voted for FF, don't you care about the Dolphins and mother earth, and Jesus"

Me: "No get away from me hippy".

Pleb: "Try some tofu"

Well Boston unless you are going to work in construction industry or with public service good luck.
Or maybe you are one of the economists that keeps feeding the populace the crap that our economy is the best one in Europe?
I wouldn't bet on having an engineering job in 5 years if you are electronic or computer engineer.

irishash

daveirl wrote:

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of course he is allowed to vote - he is still an IRISH CITIZEN !!!!

just because he is not in the country right now does not mean he cannot vote.

ComeOnMeath

Well I guess everyone has their own reason for voting, some intelligent, some downright silly. I personally have voted FF for most of my voting life, but this time I voted FG/Lab. I thought long about it and couldn't get away from the fact that I have personal experience of seeing family very ill on a trolley, I have personal experience of not being able to get my kids into the local primary schools, I have personal experience of the train that I have to squash myself onto everyday as we try squeeze a record number of trains onto the tracks, I have personal experience of my other half’s family fall apart because of drug/crime issues, whilst another is mentally ill with no help available. I firmly believe that when Charlie told Bertie to get the economy right he stopped listening b4 he finished the sentence. Right now I believe in keep the economy afloat get the foolish vote. People by nature are greedy, and I don’t think they are looking past their big toes. However on the plus side we pretty much know what to expect, more of the same. This election reminds me of George Bush getting re-elected, the Yanks were in fear, so are we, of losing the money in our pockets. Ah well..

Cyrus

jmayo wrote:

Well Boston unless you are going to work in construction industry or with public service good luck.
Or maybe you are one of the economists that keeps feeding the populace the crap that our economy is the best one in Europe?

oh and i suppose you have a credible alternative point of view, id love to hear about how bad our economy is.

if things have been good for the past decade why are they going to suddenly become worse because we didnt change govt

ianhobo

daveirl wrote:

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Well, there seems to be a fine line...Students studying abroad can apply, however, someone "living" abroad cannot

"You may also be eligible for a postal vote if you cannot go to a polling station because:
-you are studying full time at an educational institution away from your home address where you are registered

Boston

jmayo wrote:

All I hope is that all the ones that voted FF will experience the health service and all the other cock ups that have been perpetrated on the Irish people over last 10 years.

Maybe they will get to see one of their love ones sitting on a hospital trolley for days or get to see one of their elderly relatives waste away in a crap nursing home that has been built and run by one of the private health care contributors that are in for the tax breaks.

I've VHI and public private partnership schemes for that.

Maybe they will get to spend 4 hours a day in traffic and eventually make their way home to their negative equity in the middle of nowhere

I've the Luas for that.

Maybe they will see one of the loved ones get the crap beat out of them or worse still be killed because they happen to be working in the wrong house.

Aint FG and Labour the ones that brough in that I can't kick the crap out of someone who comes into my home to kill me.

How can anybody say the other crowd are worse when they are not even given a chance?
And we laugh at the Americans voting George Bush in.

I tell yea what, when Irish lads start coming back in body bags, I'll agree with yea.

daveirl

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TCollins

ianhobo wrote:

The final day for Postal voting applications was May 1st.
The election was called april 29th (now give or day a day or two on my dates)
That gives, reasonably, no realistic time to register for postal votes. My brother lives abroad (since January) and was not able to register in time, and he didnt delay about it!

They could have ensured that they could vote at any time. Did they not know that there was going to be an election this year?
Nobody, who didnt vote has any right to complain that they didnt get a vote, or any right to complain about the vote ,others who cared enough to make sure that their vote counted.

with the exception of those who lost their vote through administrative fukc ups.

nacho libre

ComeOnMeath wrote:

Well I guess everyone has their own reason for voting, some intelligent, some downright silly. I personally have voted FF for most of my voting life, but this time I voted FG/Lab. I thought long about it and couldn't get away from the fact that I have personal experience of seeing family very ill on a trolley, I have personal experience of not being able to get my kids into the local primary schools, I have personal experience of the train that I have to squash myself onto everyday as we try squeeze a record number of trains onto the tracks, I have personal experience of my other half’s family fall apart because of drug/crime issues, whilst another is mentally ill with no help available. I firmly believe that when Charlie told Bertie to get the economy right he stopped listening b4 he finished the sentence. Right now I believe in keep the economy afloat get the foolish vote. People by nature are greedy, and I don’t think they are looking past their big toes. However on the plus side we pretty much know what to expect, more of the same. This election reminds me of George Bush getting re-elected, the Yanks were in fear, so are we, of losing the money in our pockets. Ah well..

I asked my friend who is fairly well-off who he was voting for and he said the following: "I'm voting Fianna Fail because it means more money in my pocket". He went on to say most people may grumble but in the end will stick with fianna fail for the very same reason.

jmayo

Cyrus wrote:

oh and i suppose you have a credible alternative point of view, id love to hear about how bad our economy is.

if things have been good for the past decade why are they going to suddenly become worse because we didnt change govt

Well dream on ifg you think negative equity is not going to visit Ireland and all the money that could have been used for good during the good times was pissed away by Bertie and Martin and dick.

I'm coming very close to banning a lot of people.
Be aware of this.

Boston

jmayo wrote:

Well Boston unless you are going to work in construction industry or with public service good luck.
Or maybe you are one of the economists that keeps feeding the populace the crap that our economy is the best one in Europe?
I wouldn't bet on having an engineering job in 5 years if you are electronic or computer engineer.

Electronic and Computer Engineering infact. I suggest you shut up about something you know nothing about.

"Computers, thats like IT yea?"

ianhobo

Given what you said, and I found similar info, it IS possible for my brother vote. anyway....

BOSTON, I'm an engineer too, Hounours Degree Computer Engineering (Top of my class), Masters in Telecommunications Engineering, and currently not in a related field of employment. So best of luck to you.

murphaph

ComeOnMeath wrote:

Well I guess everyone has their own reason for voting, some intelligent, some downright silly. I personally have voted FF for most of my voting life, but this time I voted FG/Lab. I thought long about it and couldn't get away from the fact that I have personal experience of seeing family very ill on a trolley, I have personal experience of not being able to get my kids into the local primary schools, I have personal experience of the train that I have to squash myself onto everyday as we try squeeze a record number of trains onto the tracks, I have personal experience of my other half’s family fall apart because of drug/crime issues, whilst another is mentally ill with no help available. I firmly believe that when Charlie told Bertie to get the economy right he stopped listening b4 he finished the sentence. Right now I believe in keep the economy afloat get the foolish vote. People by nature are greedy, and I don’t think they are looking past their big toes. However on the plus side we pretty much know what to expect, more of the same. This election reminds me of George Bush getting re-elected, the Yanks were in fear, so are we, of losing the money in our pockets. Ah well..

I couldn't have put it better myself, right down to voting FF 1&2 last time anf going FG/LAB yesterday.