General Election Results for Waterford

Trotter

Hi all..

Just back from a few hours in the count centre. It looks like Martin Cullen has flown home, John Deasy isnt far behind.

3rd Seat looks to be Brian O'Shea's, and 4th is between Ollie Wilkinson and Brendan Kenneally with an outside bet for Paudie Coffey if transfers go his way.

Either way.. I sense its going to be same again.

Cant understand why voters havent made a bigger point to shout for Waterford. In my own opinion, we needed new blood. Not sure now if we'll get it.

Our reputation as easy to please and internal complainers stands by the looks of it. We can sing for that University and Public Radiotherapy for another while I reckon.

Sully

Here are figures just given to me by WLR News Room;


21.9% Martin Cullen (FF) - 1st Count Election most likely

16.42% John Deasy (FG)

11.98% Ollie Wilkinson (FF)

10.8% Brian O'Shea (LABOUR)

10.8% Brendan Kennealy (FF)

9.7% Paudie Coffey (FG)

6.9% David Cullanane (SF)

3.3% John Halligan (Workers Party)

2.7% Jim Darcy (FG)

2.5% Brendan McAnn (Greens)

1.7% Mary Roche (Ind)

Others have to little to mention.

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Looks like poor McCant didnt get the votes I was told he would Thought SF had a better chance.. the way it was going anyway (before the election). Other then that, good to see Paudie doing well!

Mossy Monk

What does Ollie Wilkinson actually do?

Sully

Mossy Monk wrote:

What does Ollie Wilkinson actually do?

Honestly, iv no idea. Himself and Kennealy I never heard of until there posters arrived. Iv only ever heard of Martin Cullen doing stuff for Waterford.

Bards

Mossy Monk wrote:

What does Ollie Wilkinson actually do?

sits on the back bench and votes on issues with the Government parties

Fajitas!

Trotter wrote:

Hi all..

Just back from a few hours in the count centre. It looks like Martin Cullen has flown home, John Deasy isnt far behind.

3rd Seat looks to be Brian O'Shea's, and 4th is between Ollie Wilkinson and Brendan Kenneally with an outside bet for Paudie Coffey if transfers go his way.

Either way.. I sense its going to be same again.

Cant understand why voters havent made a bigger point to shout for Waterford. In my own opinion, we needed new blood. Not sure now if we'll get it.

Our reputation as easy to please and internal complainers stands by the looks of it. We can sing for that University and Public Radiotherapy for another while I reckon.

You were there too? Heh...Lots of action eh?

Yeah, the general feeling was 'same again'.

Roanmore

I would love to think McCann will see his 1000 votes as a big rejection of his policy and behaviour but I fear he will extract some "revenge" by objecting even more

Bards

Roanmore wrote:

I would love to think McCann will see his 1000 votes as a big rejection of his policy and behaviour but I fear he will extract some "revenge" by objecting even more

need to write an open letter to him in next weeks News & Star me thinks:D

mike65

Exactly what I expected and predicted on one of the elections forum threads. The SF vote is nicely becalmed but slightly worrying that McCann can get more votes than Mary Roche. :eek:

Mike.

Sully

mike65 wrote:

Exactly what I expected and predicted on one of the elections forum threads. The SF vote is nicely becalmed but slightly worrying that McCann can get more votes than Mary Roche. :eek:

Mike.

Think this would be mainly to do that everybody heard of McCann and he has had a mini strong following in Waterford.

Roche on the other hand is relatively quiet and unkown and is not part of any particular party.

An independent vs. a green I think - is a tough one.

Trotter

Sully wrote:

Roche on the other hand is relatively quiet and unkown and is not part of any particular party.

Maybe Mary should bring the development of Waterford to its knees too and pick up the votes from getting her name in the paper as much as McCant.

Shane07

The main thing is Mc Cann didnt get elected,hopefully he will get the message Waterford doesnt want his policies

Trotter

The count is crawling along in Waterford. People at the count centre were all complaining about the time it was taking between counts and vote dispersal.

Halligan is gone now so no surprises so far.

Im wondering now could we end up with Cullen, Deasy, Kenneally, and Wilkinson.

fricatus

Trotter wrote:

Im wondering now could we end up with Cullen, Deasy, Kenneally, and Wilkinson.

I doubt it. O'Shea is picking up transfers now. He picked up some from Halligan on count 7:

KENNEALLY, Brendan 6995
O'SHEA, Brian* 7086
WILKINSON, Ollie* 6443

Cullinane has been eliminated now, and I would expect O'Shea to pick up more of his transfers than Wilkinson will.

I predict only one change: Kenneally in instead of Waster Wilkinson.

Trotter

fricatus wrote:

I doubt it. O'Shea is picking up transfers now. He picked up some from Halligan on count 7:

KENNEALLY, Brendan 6995
O'SHEA, Brian* 7086
WILKINSON, Ollie* 6443

Cullinane has been eliminated now, and I would expect O'Shea to pick up more of his transfers than Wilkinson will.

I predict only one change: Kenneally in instead of Waster Wilkinson.

One waster replacing another. Are they going to a finish in the centre tonight or will it roll over til tomorrow?

EDIT.. Coffey's just gone!

Fajitas!

It'll keep going tonight as far as I know.

Trotter

1 - Cullen
2 - Deasy
3 - O'Shea
4 - Kenneally



At least its a change of some sort! Will Kenneally be the kind of anonymous TD that resulted in him being turfed out before?

Its a lineup I wouldnt have predicted (We SHOULD have elected Mary Roche) but good luck to our new TDs.

We on boards WILL be watching you

SLOOPY

Whatever about the top two, (certainties unfortunately)what the F has O'Shea ever done (other than sit on his fat ass):mad: ?

Kennealy! WTF is that all about?

We're F**ked.

Junior

Go John Deasy ..

From the Rte.ie Website

Meanwhile, Fine Gael Waterford TD John Deasy has criticised party leader Enda Kenny.

He said that the party needed 'an attitude change and a credible leader' after it failed to secure enough votes to form the next government with Labour.

The outgoing Dublin North-East Labour deputy, Tommy Broughan, has also criticised his party leader's election strategy.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0526/electionreax.html

mike65

No change in terms of parties, and unless someone has a great election campaign and someone in a different party has a really bad one its hard to see FF/FF/FG/Lab being upset anytime soon. Or might Coffey get the better of O'Shea next time? If the latter stands again.

Mike.

Aquos76

Trotter wrote:

1 - Cullen
2 - Deasy
3 - O'Shea
4 - Kenneally



At least its a change of some sort! Will Kenneally be the kind of anonymous TD that resulted in him being turfed out before?

Its a lineup I wouldnt have predicted (We SHOULD have elected Mary Roche) but good luck to our new TDs.

We on boards WILL be watching you

Why should we have elected Mary Roche, She only really had one issue and that was regarding the WIT. I for one and glad she did not get in. With regards to Kenneally getting in, well any one would be better than that Wilkinson. Heard him many times on the national airwaves and he was an embarrassment to our City.

And as for claiming he has brought Radiotherapy to Waterford, well don't get me started on that one. He has done **** all and let me tell you he wont be missed.

AdMMM

Or might Coffey get the better of O'Shea next time? If the latter stands again.

I somewhat doubt it, O'Shea has a massive personal vote and is probably the best candidate in Waterford for getting transfers (once again he polled the least number of first preference votes among those elected).

Its a lineup I wouldnt have predicted (We SHOULD have elected Mary Roche) but good luck to our new TDs.

I don't think the election of Mary Roche would have helped given her past performance in the City Council.

Kennealy! WTF is that all about?

If I had to choose between the two, I'd prefer to have a waster from the City as the TD rather than a complete waster from the County. Now we can only hope that he puts in the same amount of effort that he did for trying to win back his seat!

Regarding the other candidates, I can imagine that John Halligan is probably very disappointed to only increase his vote by .8% but he might look at that with a bit of optimism as the pattern around the country showed that most members of the smaller parties, particularly the left parties, were losing votes. Likewise, David Cullinane will be disappointed, but I don't care much for him at all.

Despite what I think about her, Mary Roche will also be surprised to have won so little votes. I think that by banking on Waterford needing an Independent was a risky strategy for her as Waterford has never been a county that introduces radical change, especially when the election becomes a battle between two leaders. Campaigning primarily on the urgent need for a university would have been a far more rewarding strategy for her, but hindsight is great, isn't it?

Our man in Havana

She had very few posters up and she is a virtual unknown outside the city.

Trotter

Anyway.. its academic now!

What we have we have.

How do we get the best out of the 4 TD's we have just elected?

I see Deasy is off already :rolleyes:

From RTE.ie
Meanwhile, Fine Gael Waterford TD John Deasy has criticised party leader Enda Kenny.

He said that the party needed 'an attitude change and a credible leader' after it failed to secure enough votes to form the next government with Labour.

Mossy Monk

Do you not think he has a valid point? Enda Kenny is wooden.

AdMMM

From RTE.ie
Meanwhile, Fine Gael Waterford TD John Deasy has criticised party leader Enda Kenny.

He said that the party needed 'an attitude change and a credible leader' after it failed to secure enough votes to form the next government with Labour.

Michael Noonan left the party in total disarray! I'm not a FG supporter but I do think that Enda has done a good job in being able to claw back many of the seats they lost in the 2002 election. FF, PDs and SF have even complimented him on achieving it so I really don't know what John hopes to achieve by stirring ****!

Our man in Havana

Youngest leader of FG ever? Do what his dad never did?

mike65

Well I would'nt vote for Deasy to be my party leader! He's way too young and inexpirienced. He needs to have clocked up the miles and held a postion of some rank first. Not easy when in permanant opposition.

Mike.

mad man

I think the best possible result for Waterford would have been.

Cullen,Deasy,Roche,Wilkinson or Keneally.Keneally or Wilkinson would have been interchangeable because they both have poor histories.

If Waterford voted Cullen and Roche instead of Cullen and a second FF it would have been a disaster for Cullen.If Waterford wanted to vote really strategically they should have put Brian O'Shea on the sacrificial Alter.

merlante

There is no question that Mary Roche would have been better for Waterford than Kenneally. It's a pity that this time people were more obsessed with pushing a particular government and therefore ignored independents. Ironically, independents could end up holding the balance of power.

Good to see Wilkinson lose his seat, he was a useless embarassment. Kenneally, the quiet man, might wake up.

kilkennycat2004

Aquos76 wrote:

Why should we have elected Mary Roche, She only really had one issue and that was regarding the WIT. I for one and glad she did not get in. With regards to Kenneally getting in, well any one would be better than that Wilkinson. Heard him many times on the national airwaves and he was an embarrassment to our City. QUOTE]

She has two issues as that Roche woman is a noted hater of KK and I'm delighted to see the Waterford electorate told her to f**k off. From pre election posts some here seem to like her but I have taken personal satisfaction in f**king up potential voters in any conversation concerning Waterford politics I was involved in.
As to the result itself glad to see Cullen recognised for the great work he's done for Wateford and I know Brendan Kenneally personally & whatever about his performance in the Dail & Seanad he's always remained 1:1 with those who knew before getting elected.
Although I never voted for him O'Shea does a good job for Tramore apparently & as to John "maddog" Deasy I'd have no time for his individualism & rebel like activity against his party leader.

Sully

To be honest, im disapointed with John Deasy. I now regret voting for him. I always wondered what he does, beside complain and get himself kicked of the front bench thanks to his stupidity (what a great muppet to elect).

Fine Gael have done very well with Enda Kenny as their leader, and have managed to secure a lot of seats compared to the last election. I voted them but I knew they wouldnt secure them as government but they have came a long way and improved a LOT. They are close with FF if you think about it now, and it goes to show that the party may not have got in government (yet anyway) but they sure as hell did an excellent job trying and got very far. If JD thinks hes getting leadership, he can go jump. That would be the worst ever for FG.

As for Brian OShea, I know many stories of him helping Waterford people out and he is the one TD for Waterford (besides Cullen) that has got results. He has helped me out on occasions before, and other members of my family. He has helped other friends and relations of mine out to. On a larger scale, I dont know what he does compared to Cullen. Its more like Cullen focus on Waterford and improving it and OShea does the job of helping out people who come to him looking for support.

Sully

|.Murderer.| wrote:

Michael Noonan left the party in total disarray! I'm not a FG supporter but I do think that Enda has done a good job in being able to claw back many of the seats they lost in the 2002 election. FF, PDs and SF have even complimented him on achieving it so I really don't know what John hopes to achieve by stirring ****!

Excellent post. You hit the nail exactly on the head.

I gave him a vote because I thought he might have realised he made a mistake and might shut up and that he might re-gain the trust. But, clearly not. He is yapping again, and has no chance in getting back to the front seat now. Its a bad day for Waterford, we have a FG TD who nobody will listen to.

Trotter

No use complaining now lads.. he hasnt even got home from the count centre celebrations and he's in the bad books already. Its not like he had no form as a big mouth before the election.

We all knew what he was like.. yet he strolled back in.

Waterford will never rock the boat or punish bad representation. In my opinion Mary Roche gave us a new option that was worth a try, and she was BS'd by loads of people saying she was the answer to a problem.

In true Waterford form, we showed we can be sh!t on and we'll still come back to wipe the ar$e that did it.

2 x FF, 1 FG, 1 Lab in 2012 , 2017 and for as long as it takes for us as Waterford people to get sense.

Im wondering actually..

Do Waterford people actually want a University or does a vocal minority care about it more than the rest?

I have some opinions on this but Im reserving them for now because I'd ps a lot of people off!

mike65

As for Brian OShea, I know many stories of him helping Waterford people out and he is the one TD for Waterford (besides Cullen) that has got results. He has helped me out on occasions before, and other members of my family. He has helped other friends and relations of mine out to

Is'nt this whats wrong with Irish politics though? You make him sound like a uber-town counciler. Maybe thats what he is.

Mike.

Junior

mike65 wrote:

Is'nt this whats wrong with Irish politics though? You make him sound like a uber-town counciler. Maybe thats what he is.

Mike.

But isn't that what they are all about at the end of the day, and it's up to the leader of the party/government to control them..

As for Deasy, if he was a tool, he'd have been useful for something, Enda Kenny has led one of the best FG elections in a long time, and yet he thinks he should go. Now I understand as much as the next man, how FG should strive for better, and should try to achieve more. However realistically what did Deasy deliver to FG in this election, he didn't even manage to bring in a second running mate, against two completely lame ducks from FF.

In some ways I'm glad FF are in power, with Cullen's election and a second seat, he's certainly going to be looking for a cabinet position again, on the other hand what would have happened if FG/Labour got in - Deasy certainly wouldn't be on the front bench.

On the results for Waterford, I do think we had the chance to elect a younger TD in the shape of Coffey or D'Arcy to keep the mouth of Deasy in check and not ruin Waterford in the eyes of the FG front bench. I didn't think Ollie would get back in, but at the end of the day it seems to have boiled down to what have you done for me lately ... And those in power etc..

fricatus

Sully wrote:

I gave him a vote because I thought he might have realised he made a mistake and might shut up and that he might re-gain the trust. But, clearly not. He is yapping again, and has no chance in getting back to the front seat now. Its a bad day for Waterford, we have a FG TD who nobody will listen to.

Does it really matter though? He's going to be in opposition by the looks of it, and he has five years to sort himself out (or alternatively Waterford has five years to find a proper FG TD - my money would be on the hugely impressive Paudie Coffey).

What's of much more interest to Waterford now is that Cullen stays in cabinet. I'm going to open a new thread now, since I think it's an interesting side discussion in itself.

Trotter wrote:

Im wondering actually..

Do Waterford people actually want a University or does a vocal minority care about it more than the rest?

I have some opinions on this but Im reserving them for now because I'd ps a lot of people off!

Never mind p155ing people off. Open a new thread! You've piqued my interest and I'd enjoy the debate. FFS, that's why we are all on this site all the time!

Trotter

Junior wrote:

..at the end of the day it seems to have boiled down to what have you done for me lately ... And those in power etc..

Shouldnt it have boiled down to the careful considered choice of each voter though?

One girl told me yesterday (and it isnt the first time I heard this!) that she voted for Deasy because he was the best looking.

Lets be glad D'arcy didnt get in anyway. Im sure he is a very honorable man but he hasnt got what it takes to be a public representative at that level.


Here's a question for you all!! If Mary Roche had gone on the Fianna Fáil card as a 4th candidate.. would she have got more than 1000 votes?? Nothing else different, just if she'd been with FF.

I suspect it would have been a lot different. How idiotic is that when you think about it. The same person, same abilities, same talents... different election poster, less freedom to speak in the Dáil.

If I could stand Waterford in the corner with a D hat on I would. Grrrrrr. I swear I dont want to hear any complaints here for the next 5 years about Deasy, Cullen, O'Shea or Kenneally.

Junior

Trotter wrote:

Shouldnt it have boiled down to the careful considered choice of each voter though?

But it depends on what the considered choice of the voter is based on what the voter asks about, realistically I think it was about what's in voters pocket, I think issues like the health system, motorways etc. are seen as a national issue and don't make it to the door steps .. be that down to the lack of bigger picture thinking by the local voters - I don't know..

Trotter

Junior wrote:

But it depends on what the considered choice of the voter is based on what the voter asks about, realistically I think it was about what's in voters pocket, I think issues like the health system, motorways etc. are seen as a national issue and don't make it to the door steps .. be that down to the lack of bigger picture thinking by the local voters - I don't know..

Thats the problem.. the people of Waterford didnt vote for the big picture. We voted for the small one that ends at the end of their street.

Where else in the country do people complain about their representatives for 5 years and then hand them a new contract.

mike65

As is pointed out oftentime, its not a national election its 43 local elections. I suspect all politicos get flack and are then re-elected, tis the nature of the job.

Mike.

Trotter

mike65 wrote:

As is pointed out oftentime, its not a national election its 43 local elections. I suspect all politicos get flack and are then re-elected, tis the nature of the job.

Mike.

How long has Waterford been 2FF, 1Lab, and 1 FG?

Surely we could have rocked the boat a little and made the representatives less "comfy"?

mike65

We could but would need to find a candidate with the pulling power to get elected, since 1989 its been ff2/fg/lab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ireland#Election_results_since_1937

Mike.

Trotter

mike65 wrote:

We could but would need to find a candidate with the pulling power to get elected, since 1989 its been ff2/fg/lab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ireland#Election_results_since_1937

Mike.

Almost 20 years and no change...

Maybe it shows that you win the election in Waterford by getting on the party ticket with party support.

Darcy was pushed in as a last minute idea.. he never had the support of the local party. Coffey pushed Deasy further than anyone realised..

If he was the number 1 candidate for Waterford FG, he'd have walked in too.


If Mary Roche had stayed with FF and not resigned due to lack of public radiotherapy, she'd have been elected too. I believe that although most probably wont.

Its as if FF,FG,and Labour decide who's going to go to the Dáil and we just sign off on it.

Our man in Havana

Its as if FF,FG,and Labour decide who's going to go to the Dáil and we just sign off on it.

That's how the system works in all 43 constituencies. FF tell you who to vote 1, 2, 3 etc depending on which end of the county you are in. FG are no different.

Trotter

Bond-007 wrote:

That's how the system works in all 43 constituencies. FF tell you who to vote 1, 2, 3 etc depending on which end of the county you are in. FG are no different.

I mean that in Waterford its almost taken for granted that there'll be 2 FF slots, 1 FG, and 1 Lab.. and the parties campaign with this in mind.

I saw and heard more of Cullens promotion material than any of the other two FFers.. ditto for Deasy and O'Shea.

(There is nobody else to go from Labour so that would explain that).

I mean many Waterford people see the 2FF, 1Lab, and 1 FG as almost part of the voting instructions at this stage.

Sully

How do you mean Coffey pushed him further then expected? (Deasy).

Note: I wouldnt say Deasy "walked" in, he had some difficulties getting the numbers.

Trotter

Sully wrote:

How do you mean Coffey pushed him further then expected? (Deasy).

Note: I wouldnt say Deasy "walked" in, he had some difficulties getting the numbers.

Ah he didnt have any difficulty.. sure he was wandering around the count centre being congratulated from early afternoon. If you could see his body language and that of his supporters from early on, compared to Kenneally and his team, you could see who had nerves and who didnt.

There was never a doubt about Deasy.. he was never under threat at all. I'd have been shocked if he'd have been voted in 3rd.

By Coffey pushing him hard I mean that Coffey gathered much more support in the city areas than FG expected. There were as many people congratulating Coffey early on as there was congratulating Deasy.

Coffey ran a very good campaign which I know for a fact stepped on the toes of Deasy at times... There was never a concern for Deasy realistically though.. not from where I was looking anyway, and I managed to get close enough to the action in the weeks before the big day.

Sully

Trotter wrote:

Ah he didnt have any difficulty.. sure he was wandering around the count centre being congratulated from early afternoon. If you could see his body language and that of his supporters from early on, compared to Kenneally and his team, you could see who had nerves and who didnt.

There was never a doubt about Deasy.. he was never under threat at all. I'd have been shocked if he'd have been voted in 3rd.

Didnt it take several counts before he got elected? (Not sure about transfer details).

He didnt "top the poll" and it took a while before he managed to get in.

By Coffey pushing him hard I mean that Coffey gathered much more support in the city areas than FG expected. There were as many people congratulating Coffey early on as there was congratulating Deasy.

Coffey ran a very good campaign which I know for a fact stepped on the toes of Deasy at times... There was never a concern for Deasy realistically though.. not from where I was looking anyway, and I managed to get close enough to the action in the weeks before the big day.

Care to expand?

Im glad Coffey did well, I think hes in with a very good chance next time.

Trotter

Well he got 7500 first preference votes and the quota was 9900 ish. The first count was Cullen's, the second was the dispersal of Cullens 3000 ish surplus which went mainly to other FF candidates. Next was the elimination of the 2 lowest independents and their vote dispersal.. which didnt do much for anyone considering there was a couple of hundred votes to be shared out. Once there was a good few transfers available, around count 6 or 7, Deasy strolled over the line. It was just the process of elimination and dispersal which delayed things.

As for the Coffey Deasy thing.. I just heard (I could be wrong now) that Deasy and Coffey didnt really work together overly well. That may have just been opinions I overheard and not facts so Im not taking it as Gospel.

Its irrelevant anyway, both Coffeys camp and Deasy's were very happy with their performance. And so they should be.. numbers wise they almost pulled off 2 seats.

Our man in Havana

Just goes to show that imposing D' Arcy onto the ticket was a bad move for FG HQ.