the trials of online omaha!and how to triumph

busted flush

latley i have been playing alot of omaha online. it has gone okish im about even for the month ! i generally play .5/1 euro and sometimes 1/2, i play mostly six handed. i have a fair idea how to play the game however i have yet to put together a streak that has lasted more than 2 days! i mainly let the cards do the talking and i almost always raise the pot on the button and follow on with another pot bet, this works ok sometimes and not othertimes.i find that every time i move up to the 1/2 stake its a completly different game far more agressive and very different to the .5/1 game that i do ok on.

why is this so?
how can i adjust my game ?
is the a correct stratige for plo anyway?

thanks in advance
bf

ps, no smart answeres about sticking with the .5/1 game please .ty.

BigCityBanker

what site do you play on?

HiCloy

Be very well bankrolled for whatever level you're playing on, the variance is very high

Flipper

Telling you to stick to .50/1 is not a smart answer. PLO obviously plays a lot bigger than NLH and .50/1 PLO is more like 2/4 NLH. Also, there is a HUGE difference in how big games play from site to site.

It sounds like you're just not ready for the change in game. Why not watch the .50/1 for a while and see if you can follow a couple of the good players. When you move up, practice good game selection and allow yourself at least $4,000 for playing .50/1.

DeadParrot

Flipper wrote:

Telling you to stick to .50/1 is not a smart answer. PLO obviously plays a lot bigger than NLH and .50/1 PLO is more like 2/4 NLH. Also, there is a HUGE difference in how big games play from site to site.

It sounds like you're just not ready for the change in game. Why not watch the .50/1 for a while and see if you can follow a couple of the good players. When you move up, practice good game selection and allow yourself at least $4,000 for playing .50/1.

one day I'll figure out bankroll management :rolleyes:

busted flush

thanks for yer opinions and questions
firstly "BIG CITYT BANKER" i play mostly on paddy power, betfair and irish eyes in that order! should i be looking elswhere?

secondly "HCLOY" regarding your bankroll observation i appriciate your advice but its not really answering my questions, thanks all the same!#

finally "FLIPPER" same as above on the bankrolling comment thanks for taking the time to responde!

However my questions were and i will ask them again ,this time imagine that i have an suitable bankroll for both the .5/1 and 1/2 games !

#1 why is the 1/2 game a harder game to crack?(and is it the same if you move up to 2/4, 5/10,10/20? the game itself is techinally the same is it as simple as "the player get better as you move up the levels!"

#2 how do i adjust to the change of pace?

#3 is there a correct stratigy to apply to online play(i know this will get varying responses im just asking the question!

thanks in advance
bf

busted flush

How do you practice good game selection flipper?

Flipper

busted flush wrote:

How do you practice good game selection flipper?

Well, do exactly the opposite of what i do and you'll do just fine!

Watch the table before you sit in and get a feel for the good, thinking players. Pick your seat and try to be in position on the most aggressive players. That's about it really. Oh, and make a note of all the total nits

busted flush

thanks flip,
i will def do that! how about answering my other questions , i would really like to know your opnion ! thanks again
bf

Ste05

Flipper wrote:

Telling you to stick to .50/1 is not a smart answer. PLO obviously plays a lot bigger than NLH and .50/1 PLO is more like 2/4 NLH. Also, there is a HUGE difference in how big games play from site to site.

What do you mean by this?

Surely, because of the popularity of NLHE the level of player playing .50/1 PLO is alot lower than an average .50/1 NLHE player. Seeing as not very many people can play PLO compared to NLHE also there aren't as many books and forums about PLO. But certainly an average 2/4 NLHE player will be light years ahead of a .50/1 PLO player. (In their particular game)

Also presumably the max. buy-in for PLO is still 100BB's? Is it the case that at .50/1 PLO everytime a fish gets felted they immediately re-load as opposed to just leaving the table? Does the average PLO player have better BR management than the average NLHE player?

I'm just wondering because if you can play PLO .50/1 players with 2/4 type stacks and BR's then I really need to get more into the game as it sounds like a veritable gold mine.

Imposter

busted flush wrote:

paddy power, betfair and irish eyes

Do you get rakeback on any of thosse sites? Do you have bonuses to play? Why do you switch between the 3?
There are far better sites than Paddy Power on the same network. Not sure about the others.

busted flush wrote:

thanks for yer opinions and questions
However my questions were and i will ask them again ,this time imagine that i have an suitable bankroll for both the .5/1 and 1/2 games !

#1 why is the 1/2 game a harder game to crack?(and is it the same if you move up to 2/4, 5/10,10/20? the game itself is techinally the same is it as simple as "the player get better as you move up the levels!"

#2 how do i adjust to the change of pace?

#3 is there a correct stratigy to apply to online play(i know this will get varying responses im just asking the question!

These come across as questions from someone who has never done any study on poker!

Why do you think people have the money to play higher games? Might it be that they are better players (Not always true but in general it's a reasonable assumption)

What is the change of pace you speak of? It is some sort of tactic that confuses you or at least one that you didn't see at the lower level! Then think about why someone would do that!

With Omaha there are a couple of strategies that when played properly can be winning strategies. By a book, play some more (at a lower level) and then come back with other questions.

Imposter

Ste05 wrote:

What do you mean by this?
....

I think Flipper means that the variance is a lot higher in PLO than it is in NLHE.
From what i've read Flipper also plays very aggressively which needs a bigger bankroll.

For 100PLO (.50/1) I think 4k is too much but 3k is about right. 2k is probably too little. Again though it depends on your style of play.

The stacks are the same size as NLHE on any sites i've ever played on.

luckylucky

Ste05 wrote:

What do you mean by this?

I'm just wondering because if you can play PLO .50/1 players with 2/4 type stacks and BR's then I really need to get more into the game as it sounds like a veritable gold mine.

The game can be profitable but I wouldn't go quite as far to say it's a goldmine, here's why.

The buy-in amount is the same as Hold'Em on most sites that is a maximum of 100 big blinds so there's no particular reason why you would be playing with 2/4 type stacks on a .5/1 game. though stacks do tend to get bigger due to more all-ins.

You need a larger bankroll for the game as Fliiper and Imposter have said, i'd go along with about 30 buy-ins for the .5/1 or even 1/2, for anything more you need at least 50 buy-ins imo.

The games are definitely softer than the Hold Em ones but the downside is it's very swingy,you do need a larger bankroll, there's something about the game that makes people want to gamble and play above their bankroll imo, at least I have done and I have seen it here often enough how flipper says he has done too.

If you can keep bankroll under control it would be a big help.

Also the game is slower paced than Hold Em. I reckon you play about 1/2 the number of hands more in Hold Em than you do in Omaha, as people take longer to work out their holdings. So that impacts on your profitability.

Saying all that it probably is marginally more proftable than Hold Em, but be prepared for wild swings that can really test your tilt control.

DeadParrot

luckylucky wrote:

Also the game is slower paced than Hold Em. I reckon you play about 1/2 the number of hands more in Hold Em than you do in Omaha, as people take longer to work out their holdings. So that impacts on your profitability.

The funny thing is, at the lower levels, I've found the exact opposite. Maybe because people have no idea how there hand ranks they play every hand.
Somewhat linked to Flippers comment on limping every hand deepstacked isnt the worst theory in the world, though more than likely not in the way he meant it.
This is what I've found on Ipoker anyway. People will limp with anything and only pay attention to the hand on the flop/turn.

busted flush

Its obvious from all yer replys that bank roll managment and game selection is vital to become a profitable player @ omaha! what im looking for is a insight on how to play the game better than i currently am, right now after 5 weeks 6 days a week 3 hours a night im about even. after the first 2 weeks i was almost 3k in the black but the last 3 weeks have been a mixture of bad luck , variance and tilt(brought on by the extreme annoyance of runner runner back door nuts). As i previously mentioned i prefer to play 6 handed ,mainly as its a quicker game and bluffing is a more realistic option than a full ring game in certain situations, also the power of position is of greater importance imo! im open to contradiction though. what id like to know is how you guys generaly play on a six handed table ? what kind of hands do ye play pre flop? how to spot a fish(maybe im a fish myself as i always find thios hard), how ye play AAXX ......etc
thanks again
bf(de fish)

luckylucky

DeadParrot wrote:

The funny thing is, at the lower levels, I've found the exact opposite. QUOTE]

I've had a look at both pt holdem and pt omaha, and I've found that I play roughly 17% less hands per hour in omaha but that can be accounted for the fact that I play more full ring Omaha, so basically I was wrong by saying you play 50% more hands in Hold Em than in Omaha, looks like there's not much difference between the two. So soz about that

DeadParrot

busted flush wrote:

Its obvious from all yer replys that bank roll managment and game selection is vital to become a profitable player @ omaha! what im looking for is a insight on how to play the game better than i currently am, right now after 5 weeks 6 days a week 3 hours a night im about even. after the first 2 weeks i was almost 3k in the black but the last 3 weeks have been a mixture of bad luck , variance and tilt(brought on by the extreme annoyance of runner runner back door nuts). As i previously mentioned i prefer to play 6 handed ,mainly as its a quicker game and bluffing is a more realistic option than a full ring game in certain situations, also the power of position is of greater importance imo! im open to contradiction though. what id like to know is how you guys generaly play on a six handed table ? what kind of hands do ye play pre flop? how to spot a fish(maybe im a fish myself as i always find thios hard), how ye play AAXX ......etc
thanks again
bf(de fish)

in the last few weeks there has been a spike in omaha thread BF, have a search for omaha advice threads and you'll find some great pointers

sitout

busted flush wrote:

Its obvious from all yer replys that bank roll managment and game selection is vital to become a profitable player @ omaha! what im looking for is a insight on how to play the game better than i currently am, right now after 5 weeks 6 days a week 3 hours a night im about even. after the first 2 weeks i was almost 3k in the black but the last 3 weeks have been a mixture of bad luck , variance and tilt(brought on by the extreme annoyance of runner runner back door nuts). As i previously mentioned i prefer to play 6 handed ,mainly as its a quicker game and bluffing is a more realistic option than a full ring game in certain situations, also the power of position is of greater importance imo! im open to contradiction though. what id like to know is how you guys generaly play on a six handed table ? what kind of hands do ye play pre flop? how to spot a fish(maybe im a fish myself as i always find thios hard), how ye play AAXX ......etc
thanks again
bf(de fish)

well busted,
omaha imo is either the worlds greatest game or glorified pitch and toss! some days your kaka the next your francis benali.i play alot of short handed internet omaha and tbh some weeks im ready to swim with the fishes after the brutal beats it give out,however other weeks im tossing the bulgarian beggars on patricks bridge a few notes instead of my usual dirty get of yer arse and get a job looks!
the problem here is omaha is like crack cocaine ie .very addictive! to answere a few of your questions, i play any 4 cards that are working for each in late position and hands like AAKQds, 8910J,ds, jjqq in early position, however i feel omaha is like a pensioners sex life "its a flop game" so i try not to get to carried away before the flop! how to spot a fish? thats a good question i think all omaha players are NLH fishes in hiding so take your pick! And as for AAXX I love this hand heads up pre flop as for any other time play with caution.
if tings go well its quids in for you and the bulgarians if tings dont go so well i think there accepting human hair at the wig shop! gl gg ul
siobhan

busted flush

human hair eh!!!!!!

luckylucky

Also with AAxx, never(as much as you can ever say never in poker) raise with it out of position, and even in position make sure you raise with a lot more hands too so someone can't automatically put you on it.

Lafortezza

luckylucky wrote:

Also with AAxx, never(as much as you can ever say never in poker) raise with it out of position, and even in position make sure you raise with a lot more hands too so someone can't automatically put you on it.

Or put it another way, raise AAxx every single time, but also raise other hands like rundowns, AKQTds, 99TT etc.

Sirtoyou

my experience of raising these hands has nearly always been painful.
id much prefer a raise with 8910j because tou can release the hand so much easier.
the trick as i see it is to treat AAxx as you would treat small pairs in holdem.
limp alot/call raises and never reraise unless you can get most of your stack in preflop.
when you hit the flop you tend to get payed so much better as you have a well disguised hand.
ps. im no expert but this tactic has helped my game.

SIR