Ruling

RichardB2

On a tournament table both blinds are all-in & eliminated.
Another table is broken and two new players join ours taking
the seats vacated by the eliminated blinds from previous hand.

My question is who posts the small/big blind(s) in the next hand and
should cards be dealt to the new players if they do not post a blind?

dougee19

ive had this happen,
two different things occured on the two occasions, depends on the place
what happened in one was that the two new players came into small and big blind... i got confused cause i thought a player could never come into small blind but i didnt say anything
the other time, the two players who came in on that position sat out the hand, there was a dead small blind and the big blind was the next big blind on the table before the break, this is what i consider the right way of going around it and consider this the right ruling, and no, the two players(coming into the former blinds seats) dont get any cards, others do

RichardB2

Yep 2nd example is what we got -
Dead button, new players sit out and UTG from previous hand posted BB.

New players cannot enter on SB like you say.

There was an argument suggesting that the dead button applies
but the 1st new player should post the BB.

dougee19

nah, cant work... cause you cant come in on the button either...
the two sit out the first hand, 1 plays the next hand, and then the other is allowed play too.


what i was thinking before was on similiar levels....
i was thinking what happened if sb, bb and utg all go out, never thought of the answer myself though... :S
was thinking they bring 1 played into bb(former utg) but havent come across it just yet

Mellor

it varies from place to place.
But the BB is always the previous UTG player.
As for the two players, they can come in on the SB and button respectivly. You can come in on any place, just not between places, ie between blinds or between the SB and the button. As i said it varies from place to place and different TDs give different rules

RedJoker

Player 1 sits in the SB from previous hand.
Player 2 sits in the BB from previous hand.
Player 3 is the UTG player from previous hand.

First hand:
Button on Player 1. Player 3 posts BB.
Players 1 & 2 do not receive cards.

Second hand:
Button on Player 2. Player 3 posts SB.
Player 1 gets cards, Player 2 does not.

Third hand:
Button on Player 3.
Everybody gets cards.


The rules are that the SB must always move and you can never have a dead BB.

carfax

This is how it should be done everywhere (TDA, EPT, WSOP etc all use this rule)

A player can be moved into and dealt into any position on the table except between the button and the small blind.

Therefore of the two players that were moved to your table player 1 should have missed one hand and player 2 should have posted the small blind. Then its game on.

carfax

RedJoker wrote:

The rules are that the SB must always move.

???

RedJoker

carfax wrote:

???

Think about what happens when it gets to heads up.

I've never seen anybody come in on SB but I could be wrong.

dougee19

redjokers post is the same as mine just written out proper, :P
and its right in my opinion, thats the way it should be,
is my answer to my own question right rj??

Goodluck2me

RedJoker wrote:

Player 1 sits in the SB from previous hand.
Player 2 sits in the BB from previous hand.
Player 3 is the UTG player from previous hand.

First hand:
Button on Player 1. Player 3 posts BB.
Players 1 & 2 do not receive cards.

If player 1 doenst get cards then he isnt the button. this is incorrect. if neither 1 or 2 gets cards then what does it matter where the button is?

Second hand:
Button on Player 2. Player 3 posts SB.
Player 1 gets cards, Player 2 does not.

this means then that player 1 is the button, because he will be last to act on every street, regardless of where the actual dealer button is placed.

The rules are that the SB must always move and you can never have a dead BB.

This is incorrect imo, and have heard many good reason why the player should come into the SB.

My solution P1,2 and UTG are the same as above.


Player 1 is the button, player 2 is the Small blind and player 3 is the Big Blind. All players receive cards.

carfax

RedJoker wrote:

Think about what happens when it gets to heads up.

I've never seen anybody come in on SB but I could be wrong.

I'm a bit lost......Player will never be moved to the table when it gets to heads up......Oh sorry think I see what you're saying, button will be moved if the big blind from the last hand is now the small blind he/she will also get the button for their trouble even if it has to be moved again to get there.

Sorry for rambling there; Heads up small blind = the button.

mormank

carfax wrote:

This is how it should be done everywhere (TDA, EPT, WSOP etc all use this rule)

A player can be moved into and dealt into any position on the table except between the button and the small blind.

Therefore of the two players that were moved to your table player 1 should have missed one hand and player 2 should have posted the small blind. Then its game on.

So where is the button carfax?? player 1 should become the button therefore bein dealt in as the button and not missing a hand. hence neither player should miss a hand

Mellor

As I said in my post, and carfax said too. you can come in in any position (except between thw two blinds or dealer and sb
You can come in on button and SB,

player 1 on button, player 2 on sb,
both players get cards (or else they wouldn't be coming in this hand)
no players miss action and play continues as normal

Tar.Aldarion

What RedJoker said.

jimmii

I think redjokerpoker got it right. Thats what i've seen happen online so I assume thats pretty standard.

looserock

where I play the dealer moves up to sit next to utg, the two new players sit behind him, he deals again with only bb no prob.

Why is this not done in the bigger tourneys?