[US/IRL] 3X22 - "Through the Looking Glass" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS" -

Episode Title: "Through the Looking Glass"
Airdate: May 23rd 2007

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Jack and the castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship, on the season finale of "Lost."

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From now on, this thread shall reveal details of the episode mentioned above. If you have not yet seen this episode, please do not move any further down the thread.

This episode shall air on:

ABC (US) - May 23rd 2007
Sky One (UK/IRL) - May 27th 2007
RTÉ2 (UK/IRL) - May 28th 2007

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Otherwise, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - there shall be major plot details of the episode revealed and discussed below with no spoiler tags used!

Sad Professor

9

Ah crap I forgot the poll. basq, steveland, help?

feylya

First hour of it is really good. Can't wait for the second!

Sinfonia

feylya, you've got mail!

feylya

I do. It was my cousin sending me my weekly tape

<_<
>_>

King.Penguin

is tonight's episode a double bill? I only have the first. is the second on its way?

Sad Professor

9

King.Penguin wrote:

is tonight's episode a double bill? I only have the first. is the second on its way?

Already out.

feylya

I'm going to need to watch that again...

littlejp

9

That

Was

Awesome

Matthewthebig

8

WHAT

THE

FÚCK

tbh

littlejp

9

Not many answers but I was on the edge of my seat for the whole thing.

magick

omg V good ep, nice finish, wtf though, Jack locates the phone,uses it.

Then we skip to the future, v good enjoyed it !

King.Penguin

wow - never copped it until when he's at the table with the maps

why did Charlie lock himself in? he didn't want to attempt to escape fate? I don't think he benefited anyone else by stopping the water flooding the rest of the station. there would have been enough time for the two of them to scuba up and leave.

6

No poll?

Basq

** eyes to the sky as i move down through the thread **

Thanks for the thread Sad_Professor... completely forgot about it til a moment ago.

Doesn't seem to have to option to add a poll - odd as i did it a couple of days back in the 24 forum!

(EDIT: Made a new thread with a poll and merged it! Worked quite well!)

Anyways, back here this evening to share my thoughts on the episode.

TimTim

another wtf moment from lost. I was hoping for some answers.

Personally it was a let down for me.

Washout

5

ok can anyone explain to me wtf the game changer was?

there was a meant to be a huge reveal but if it was meant to be future jack showing they were rescued then i doubt its a game changer as i dont think they are gonna be rescued by Naomis people.

Zombrex

Seriously, wtf?

I'm beginning ot think this wasn't a parody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRp8N5jS3R4&mode=related&search=

"How can the island be sinking if all the water is gone?"

Helix

Washout wrote:

ok can anyone explain to me wtf the game changer was?

there was a meant to be a huge reveal but if it was meant to be future jack showing they were rescued then i doubt its a game changer as i dont think they are gonna be rescued by Naomis people.

how can you not see that as a game changer

its completely changed the shows direction

Steoob

i knew that jacks "flashback" was in the future from the very first one so the whole ending was ruined for me boohoo

Sad Professor

9

Cheers, basq.

Anyway I thought this was fantastic, just fantastic. I'll gather my thoughts together and post more later.

E@gle.

9

omg i loved this eposie.

Go ninga Hurley in the van.

cant wait for next season when does it air??

Cina

Erm .. is that it?

Sorry, but that was a terrible finale. It answered .. well .. nothing, oh let's do flashbacks from the future that show they got off the island? Obviously they won't get off the island, the show will be over and there are still 3 seasons left. The only other thing we learned is that Naomis boat was *possibly* not full of very nice people.

Charlies death was the highlight of the episode, and about time really, his character got annoying after S1, didn't really care.

And before people say it, I'm not one of those people who constantly expects answers, I know Lost moves slow etc, but surely in the season finale when we won't see the show again for another 8 months we should get more than THAT?

6/10 from me, maybe more if it wasn't the finale.

EDIT: Also, does this mean Jacks dad is alive then? How is this possible? More ridiculous questions I guess.

Faith

.... Um... What?

Who died? What was that newspaper clipping all about? Who's "he" waiting for Kate? Why was Kate not arrested? They can't get rescued because there's another 3 seasons left.

I don't know, I watched that in fragmented parts, so I'm going to see if I can watch the whole 2 hours together. Then it might make more sense.

Ste.phen

Someone who was on the island with them died, that's whose funeral it was.
I'm assuming it was locke?

They coudl explain that entire episode away as a 'what if' next season.
It's entirely possible that season 4 has some people still on-island, and others trying to get back to the island.

damnyanks

Nice episode had a lot of action to it. No real slow points .They didnt answer much but oh well. Think it was much better then the previous 2 finales

feylya

#Elites wrote:

good eppisode, why didnt Charlie just jump out..?

Probably because Desmond told him he had to die if Claire was to be rescued.

E@gle.

9

that window where charlie was trapped seemed big emough for him to swim out.

and omg will patchy just die.

Faith

Igy wrote:

Someone who was on the island with them died, that's whose funeral it was.
I'm assuming it was locke?

They coudl explain that entire episode away as a 'what if' next season.
It's entirely possible that season 4 has some people still on-island, and others trying to get back to the island.

I thought that, but I doubt Locke would willingly leave the Island.

Narcissus

9

Wow. What a finale.
So much going on. That's a lot to take in.

Locke said he would kill Jack if he had to, but then doesn't. Why?

Also who was in the coffin?

This is from Lostpedia:

* The first sentence of the article Jack carries around in the flash-forward seems to read, "Los Angeles, Man found.. [unreadable] downtown.. [unreadable], The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York was.. [unreadable] ..[shor]tly after 4 a.m. in the.. [unreadable] of Grand Avenue. Ted.. [unreadable] ..man at The Tower.. [unreadable] .. heard loud noises.. [unreadable]..m's loft. Co.. [unreadable] ..entered the.. [unreadable] ..a beam in the.. [unreadable] ..[ac]cordin[g].. [unreadable].."

Possibly Locke or Sawyer (The "Jo" might be wrong).


Such a long wait now

Shanegggg

8

Great episode. Only realized it was a "flash forward" at the very end aswell. :rolleyes:

Didn't really answer nething but at least its not a massive cliff hanger like previous series finale's. Think its been a poor season all round but they've certainly made up for it in the last few eppys.

I don't think it was locke in the coffin cos if some, or all, of them did in fact get off the island locke would have definitely stayed. Has to be someone who doesn't have any family and no one cares about..so i'm guessing it might be Ben and thats why jack wants to go back.

Oh and how hot was kate at the very end!!

doonothing

8

yeah, future kate was FILTH!
naomi was the devil; sayid is never wrong
so the five big deaths were charlie tom naomi locke's dad anndd...?
i enjoyed it, couldnt ****ing believe walt though. stupid plot move i thought.
he looked like he was 17 years of age, not like he had only left the island weeks previous.

asides that, roll on 4

Dmtiling

9

Great eppisode - Can't wait to see where they go from here.

concobhar

Why did Ben meet Jack unarmed? What was the steal the pregnant women thing all about?

Why is Jack's dad alive in the future? Alternative time line?

my head is melted.

King.Penguin

concobhar wrote:

Why did Ben meet Jack unarmed? What was the steal the pregnant women thing all about?

Why is Jack's dad alive in the future? Alternative time line?

my head is melted.

my interpretation is that Jack's dad is dead but Jack is a bit ****ed up about it due to hallucinations.

S.M.B.

I perceived the ending as meaning...

Sometime in the future a number of the losties will get off the island.

The decision to 'leave' the island or to make the rescue call was the wrong decision as Ben and Locke had pointed out.

So the game changer is that Ben is a 'good' guy and was trying to do the right thing and the island is 'special' and it's secrecy outweighs the importance of the losties rescue.

Sinfonia

King.Penguin wrote:

my interpretation is that Jack's dad is dead but Jack is a bit ****ed up about it due to hallucinations.

I think this is the only sensible conclusion on that.


That was great, lots of action, development, couple of answers, and a WTF final moment. Classic Lost!

Wish I hadn't read the big spoiler thread though, the ending would have been much better, because the whole way through I knew where it was leading. Oh well, I'd been warned:p

concobhar

King.Penguin wrote:

my interpretation is that Jack's dad is dead but Jack is a bit ****ed up about it due to hallucinations.

"Call my father, tell him to come down here and if i'm more drunk than he is go ahead and fire me!"

Seems straight forward to me that he is still alive from that quote .. although, being out of drugs is a plausible although not definitive answer.

From Lostpedia: "The producers have stated that he's dead, but qualified their statement by saying that they "may be using the word 'dead' in a sense we [the audience] don't fully understand yet."

So .. not clear...

steviec

7

S.M.B. wrote:

I perceived the ending as meaning...

Sometime in the future a number of the losties will get off the island.

The decision to 'leave' the island or to make the rescue call was the wrong decision as Ben and Locke had pointed out.

So the game changer is that Ben is a 'good' guy and was trying to do the right thing and the island is 'special' and it's secrecy outweighs the importance of the losties rescue.

Yea pretty much, I thought the fact that Ben didn't in fact have the three people on the beach killed was a good sign that he was genuinely trying to do the right thing(and something Jack surely should have noted), and Locke obviously agrees having spoken to the island.

Thought it was a great on-island finale, let down by poor 'flash-forwards'. So we know future Jack is just as messed up as past Jack, woopdeedoo. It felt like we had to sit through so many excruciating scenes of Jack being drunk and annoying just to set up the big reveal at the end, which I'd figured was pretty obvious about halfway through so the final scene wasn't all that exciting. I guess the only interesting thing is the fact that he now knows it was wrong to make the call to get off the island, but I think Ben / Penny / Locke all made that pretty clear over the course of the episode.

Thought the highlights were Rose telling Jack she'd punch him in the face, every scene involving Ben or Locke as usual, and everything with Charlie on the Looking Glass. A great finish for him, also loved Mikhail's expression when he knocked on the window with the grenade. I'm not sure if we're to read anything into him surviving the harpoon gun after previously surviving the fence, is he somehow able to regenerate or did he just get lucky?

Interesting conversation with Penny. So she knows nothing about Naomi, but she's not an other either. So we've some kind of new faction that will no doubt have a large part to play next Season. Original Dharma? Or someone else? Ben's others seem to be the island's natives and intent on protecting it from outsiders no matter what, and it looks like next season this could escalate into a war, with the Losties caught in the middle or perhaps, as the flashback suggested, some of them getting off the island but wanting back on when they realise the truth...

Locke's actions confused me. He happily killed Naomi and seemed ready to kill Jack, and he's obviously 100% sure that the island must be protected from whoever's on the other end of the phone, but then he just suddenly gives up and wanders off? If he didn't want to shoot Jack he could have at least tried to wrestle the phone from him or even shoot at the phone itself, he might hit Jack's arm but it seems it'd be worth it for the greater good.

Anyway, good episode overall but I'm a bit sick of watching Jack wandering around hospital being a dick so less of that would have been nice.

Snake Plisken

9

Now thats how thats what you call A Season FXcking finale (Are you watching Tim Kring????)
Brilliant anyone who doesn't think so is watching the show for the wrong reasons, its the WTF factor that keeps me coming back for more.
I don't think Sawyer was in the coffin I think he got off too as Kate told Jack he (I take it she meant Sawyer) would be wondering where she was. . It looks to me that some or all of them got off the island but it looks like some of them are really messed up like Jack & Lock if he was the one who commited suicide in the newspaper clipping. Also Jack said he was sick of lying? What did that mean?
Teenage Walt appearing to Locke was unexpected and a bit stupid they should have just brought in a child actor and kept him slightly out of focus. Looked like Locke had lost the use of his legs again, but Walt (if it was Walt and not Jacob or the black smoke), saved him.
Sad to see Charlie go, it was a bit pointless as he could have easily got out (Ms Lily won't be to happy not having the boyfriend around next season). Funny to see they used the Beach Boys Good Vibrations as the code, and interesting to see that it was a musician that programmed it.
So the ship wasn't sent by Penelope, is Ben right are these bad folks on the ship?
Good to see Hugo save the lads, and it was also good to see Sawyer Kill Tom Friendly for taking Walt off the raft. Although it seems to be hard enough to kill some of the others as Mikhail seemed to prove.
So we still have the main band of others left led by Richard and they were heading to the tomb (I think).

Also funny to see Oceanic Airways gave the rescued folks Lifetime golden tickets.

Anyway great double episode and I also think a great performance by Matthew Fox. I found this the strongest finale since Season 1.

Oh how am I going to survive until next year without it.

Snake

P.S. I have a theory that Joe Inman (Clancy Brown) is the man who is behind the ship coming back to collect them.

Rob30888

6

I must say I'm massively let-down, I'm not one of those people who watches the show just for answers, but The Looking Glass bits aside, nothing really seemed to happen. One of the main draws of the season 1 and 2 finales was that there was such a huge cliff-hanger that you actually couldn't wait to find out what happens, but here I just don't mind that much, I've no real anticipation.

The only thing I'm really curious about was when Ben said something to Richard along the lines of "you all go to the temple as planned". Temple???? Wonder if it's something to do with the four-toed statue we saw....

King.Penguin

concobhar wrote:

"Call my father, tell him to come down here and if i'm more drunk than he is go ahead and fire me!"

Seems straight forward to me that he is still alive from that quote .. although, being out of drugs is a plausible although not definitive answer.

From Lostpedia: "The producers have stated that he's dead, but qualified their statement by saying that they "may be using the word 'dead' in a sense we [the audience] don't fully understand yet."

So .. not clear...

Well that's a reasonable interpretation but mine is different. When Jack says "call my father" we see the eyes of the chief of medicine roll up and to the left. As jack rants on, his expression turns to pity. This indicates to me that the doctor thinks jack is drunk (how much have you had to drink today) and talking typical drunk talk. It's definitely impossible to tell for sure, but that's how I read it.

I presume Jack's dad is not a doctor at the hospital any more (whether dead or alive). When he wanted to get his prescription refilled and showed the pharmacist the other subscription he wouldn't let the pharmacist ring his father. Why? Because he is dead? Because he was struck off the medical register? Because even though he is still alive and a practising doctor, he didn't want him involved?

I'm probably missing a lot of details but the only reasons we have to suggest he is still alive is his absence from the coffin and jack's hallucinations on the island. I could well be wrong.

About the identity of the person in the coffin. Because there were no mourners I'd imagine it was either John Locke or Ben, as neither have anyone off the island that would come visit as far as I know. I don't think it was Sawyer because Kate would have came and presumably Jack wouldn't have referred to himself as "neither" a friend or a relative.

My first interpretation of Jack and Kate's return to America was that the people that "rescued" them were "baddies" and killed or scattered everyone else but jack and kate (plus at least one more) were taken (not sure why). However, this line of thought would make me think they'd return to the real world under as much subterfuge as possible, firstly due to kate's criminality and jack's "issues". However, as jack has a golden ticket it suggests the world was made aware of the flights crash landings and the survial of many people. This would then suggest great volumes of people were "rescued". As jacks final words with kate indicate, they probably didn't tell the whole truth to the authorites. If this means they lied about the number of survivors or where the y crash landed or they lied about the "magical" nature of the island I'm not too sure.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

9

Watching the second half now! Hate how slow some things are at loading and it's taken me about two hours to watch the first part, because I kept getting links that the lip-sync was out on so I had to find new ones. Grrr.
So far so good though.

Sad Professor

9

I really liked how they handled the battle between the Others and the Lostaways. After spending so much time humanising them this season I was afraid they were going to backtrack in the finale and make them bad guys again. But they didn't, they presented it all in shades of grey. The actions of the losties were excessive but perfectly understandable after everything they've been put through. The Others were just following orders in support of some greater purpose we don't know yet.

Some major consequences for these characters next season especially for the two leaders. It was shocking to see all of Ben's manipulations and lies blow back in his face. He tried to tell Jack the truth in the end but it was too late and now both of them will have to live with consequences.

tvnutz

5

Ugh...what? Again I ask what? That was such a great finale until that final scene. There were some great tense scenes,the attack on the others,Hurley saving the day,Charlie's death and communication with Penny among others. I loved the scene with Walt telling John to get up,it made sense given their past together,who it actually was didn't make sense but it was a great scene. Don't care if he was a lot taller,you just accept that and don't read into it.

But then the final scene. So were the rescued? How will next season start. Unless there is a decent explanation (Id be happy with a Desmond vision to get out of this stupid plot twist) then Ill be pissed. They even set next season up for something good with Naomi's people as a possible threat to everyone on the island.

Like I said,unless they explain the future "flashbacks" with a decent explanation,it is a stupid twist and it kind of ruined a finale I was really enjoying.

6/10

Cina

Also, one thing that really bugs me, considering 3 episodes ago Locke was saying he isn't a murderer, and couldn't kill his father, even though he did all these awful things to him, he didn't have much of a problem throwing a knife in Naomis back.
Stupid.

E@gle.

9

some random info i found on the net

The name of the funeral parlor Jack goes to, "Hoffs/Drawlar," is an anagram for "flash forward

Sad Professor

9

A lot of people here and elsewhere appear to be having trouble with the twist at the end. It's seems quite simple to me, it's a flash-forward NOT a flashback from the future.

Next season present time on the island will continue as normal with the "rescuers" on their way. Except now instead of having just flashbacks there will also be flash-forwards to the future, though probably just for characters like Jack, Kate and Sawyer, i.e. people who's backstory is complete but are likely to survive till the end.

Then at some point, perhaps around the 6th season, present time will catch up with the flash-forwards and we'll get to see Jack return to the island to put things right. This will be the endgame.

Basically the flash-forwards are the solution to the problem that many character's flashbacks have started to dry up. I for one think it's an excellent idea.

Sinfonia

In memory of Charlie:

You aaaall everybody!!
You aaall everybody!!!!

Metacortex

9

Now THAT was one of the finest 2 hours of tv i have ever seen.
And that ending...:eek:

I cannot wait until January 2008

Anima

9

Woah....

That was quite good I thought. Very straight forward bar the flashforwards and full of action. I thought it was kinda cheap letting us think Bern, Jin and Sayid were dead though. I'm hoping Tom didn't die because he seems half decent and he's the reason that Sayid, Jin and Bernard aren't dead. I wonder did Mikhail survive again? He seemed to pull away before the grenade went off plus he's already died twice...

I felt bad for Hurley when Sawyer was talking to him, just like Charlie did, and I'm glad he got to show he wasn't useless.

Charlie dying was quite sad and I too thought he could of escaped but he knew his fate and what had to be done. I wonder what will happen to Claire..

I think Ben is going to have awful trouble next season. Everyone is beginning to see he's a lying, manipulative little bollacks.

Also regarding Walt, they said before they would explain why he's now older looking. So theres bound to be some sort of time thing there.

Have to wait till next year now for season 4