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Another flopped set, what now? Hand

  • 22-05-2007 12:05pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭


    This is probably pretty standard, but I wanted second opinions on it anyway. Villain in the hand is a Boardsie (And a tosser :p ). Live cash game, blinds 1/1. Details are a little sketchy, so apologies.

    UTG min raises to 2 (Alarm bells would be immadiately ringing but he's done this alot, we've joked about it. Also has a tendency to bet 1 into pots at the river, I think he could be doing this for a laugh, as we've been joking about it). Two callers, round to me in the small blind with pocket 7s. UTG is short stacked, playing 30ish, the two callers both have my stack of 125 covered, so I call. BB, villain in this hand, re-raises to 4 (Also capable of doing this just for a laugh with a hand he'd normally call with, just because UTG min-raised, but it's not that likely, nevertheless, his range here is absolutley huge). Called around to me, I call (Villain also has me covered).

    Flop comes down 9 7 2 rainbow. I bet out at it, 12 euro, BB re-pops to 50. Folded around to me. I call.

    Some info on the villain here, I know him well and I'd say we both know each others games very well at this stage. He knows my range here is very very big pre flop, and could interperate my flop bet in many ways. He certainly knows it'll be ten-eight a large percentage of the time (A hand I always say is my favourite, as it happens) or that I could have some weird two pair combination. An overpair, bar maybe tens, is unlikely. So my range to him is wide enough. Obviously, a set would also be in his consideration, but I thought he had me on something like 10-8 or 9-7.

    Villian himself is a solid enough player but will go after weakness with many barrels. I've seen him two barrel 70+ euro into a huge pot with 4,2 off unimproved in a previous game to take down a pot. He's generally solid, but very capable of making moves. He will also see a flop with alot of hands that could have hit this flop in many ways. Very difficult to put him on an exact hand with his raise, but I thought he couldn't be THAT strong or he'd probably cold call my bet on the flop, especially with so many to act in front.

    Anyway, the turn is a ten, putting two hearts out there. What's your action? Also comments on how I've played the hand so far, mainly the flop?

    I think it's probably relatively standard and boring, but wanted second opinions none the less.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    your getting it in on the turn or river as am i.

    i know the outcome, and stephens a donk, has q high alot


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Well that is true...

    This isn't so much a should I fold kind of thing, more a how did I play each street. On the turn, what is the best option here? A shove folds out alot of hands that may fire again if checked to, does it not? He could lay down some two pair combos here, something like 9,10, that he would fire at if I checked to him. Should I check? Or is that giving pocket 8s, a hand in his range, a needless free card to river me? What exactly would most peoples action be on this turn or even on the flop?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    I just push the flop and then if he folds do it when I have T8 in this situation in future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    I would definitely check now but the stacks are pretty much perfect to push the flop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Slash/ED wrote:
    Some info on the villain here, I know him well and I'd say we both know each others games very well at this stage. He knows my range here is very very big pre flop, and could interperate my flop bet in many ways. He certainly knows it'll be ten-eight a large percentage of the time (A hand I always say is my favourite, as it happens) or that I could have some weird two pair combination. An overpair, bar maybe tens, is unlikely. So my range to him is wide enough. Obviously, a set would also be in his consideration, but I thought he had me on something like 10-8 or 9-7.

    just an aside,

    why do you presume that he puts you on a such a big hand considering the raggy flop? Are you not being a bit paranoid, could he just be repopping you with overcards if he is having fun and knows you so well???

    No reason why you don't have a million other holdings?

    A7 A9 910 k9 etc etc

    anyways, back on topic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭NeVeR


    I'd say you should push,, He could be tring to bluff the pot because of the flop. He might be putting you on AK or AQ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    just push the flop

    open push now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭30something


    Your bet on the flop, being so small, might be contrued by him as a weak stab/info bet (12 into a 20 pot with 4 hands yet to speak). His re-pop to 50 is an overbet suggesting he wants no callers. I put him on the 10 8 here and would RR the knackers off him by shoving my stack and not minding a call.

    As played I stuff it in on the Turn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭TommyGunne


    Villain is capable of ATC here especially on that flop. Knowing him though, surely letting him bluff into the turn the vast majority of times that he is bluffing will be more profitable. Check the turn let him push id say. As you mentioned for the flop a push just folds out these bluffs or top-top etc. And he's a tosser alright! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    what needs to be discussed? just shove?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    your stack is too shallow for him to fold any piece of this so shove his reraise is probably best
    If you where deeper and villain was likely to have air with that reraise then calling the flop is good and once you have done this I think you have to let him bet again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭BarrierReef


    I would check the turn and let him put the rest of his stack in, which I would call without thinking. His large Re-raise would leave me to believe that he has an over-pair, probably something like JJ or QQ ( His mini-raise PF looks like he knew he needed to raise, but was enjoying playing at the table and was looking for some banter )

    I quite like the lead at the flop and the flat call of the re-raise, most with sets would re-pop where he might be able to lay down an over pair ( but I doubt it ) , If he is at it with AK he will have another go at it ( either here or on the river ) without question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Theresalwaysone


    I did have you on 9 7,
    I figured the preflop min raise call meant you had a huge range, but you would have definitely re-raised from the SB with something worthwhile, especially against me and the other player "doing it for a laugh"

    I must categorically state, I did not have you on a set of sevens, however both hands pretty much play the same way.

    Since I had you on such a strong post flop hand, and knowing you for the solid enough player you are I thought Id overbet the pot and that'd take away any chance of you thinking I had top set. I figured you were strong enough to call the re-pop ( have an unreal read on you jammer, every single time.......) thats why I made it so glaringly huge and donkeyish.

    You pushed the turn and I called.

    Put it this way you werent getting away from it and neither was I folding so meh.


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