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Attic Conversion - Timberframe House

  • 20-05-2007 9:06pm
    #1
    Sizzler
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    Has anybody had this done :confused: When the house was snagged the surveyor said it wasnt a goer because of the way the roof was built (allied to the fact it was a semi-d and the roof went straight across the breadth of the house).

    Then along comes a local 'entrepreneur' who has convinced a lot of people in the neighbourhood to get it done for a bargain €15k ! Apparently by all accounts he does a great job and gives you a nice sized room at the end of it...BUT hes not certified :eek: He cant stand over it in anyway from a regs perspective but yet has still managed to get 5 or 6 houses (that I know of) to get it done.

    Anybody got any experiences here?

    Cheers


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  • #2
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    barge pole comes to mind.


  • #3
    smashey
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    Mellor wrote:
    barge pole comes to mind.

    :D:D
    Agreed.


  • #4
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    telescopic barge pole.........

    fwiw, my TF has a convertible attic, but it had to be specc'd in the design from the start. The do it using 'attic trusses', so no cutting involved afterwards (important).

    See my attic trusses - the 'room' space is clearly visible:

    96770807-M-1.jpg

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #5
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Mellor wrote:
    barge pole comes to mind.

    Yeah figured that mate....but what I was asking was...did anybody have any experience of going through this :confused:

    Galwaytt seems to support my view...that its MAD unless the roof was built to accomadate it.

    Next question is if my neighbour wanted to get it done, could I object, given we share the same structure?


  • #6
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    If you've timber frame, it's highly unlikely you're sharing the same structure. The structural part is the TF, not the block leaf, and that's (usually) carried across the party wall. (some, exceptions, I know, but I'm presuming it's 'regular' TF)

    but you could object, anyway. IMHO, don't object unless they get granted permission. That way you won't be sticking your neck out for a fight that mightn't be needed.......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #7
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    galwaytt wrote:
    IMHO, don't object unless they get granted permission. That way you won't be sticking your neck out for a fight that mightn't be needed.......
    How would he go about that?
    If has to object before they get planning. Also planning might not be required.

    If the roof was spec'd to be converted, ie with a prefab truss like above, then there is no structural work to be done. This isn't the case from your discription.
    It is is a timber framed house, with a regular prefab roof, or a cut roof, it could still be possible. This shouldn't affect it,
    BUT the fact that the builder can't stand over it is what would drive me away.
    Its not worth it in the long run.


  • #8
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    He can still object inside the 30-day period, even if he didn't do so prior to the decision, because he is materially affected. This is clearly stated in the regs.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #9
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Sizzler wrote:
    allied to the fact it was a semi-d and the roof went straight across the breadth of the house).

    just spotted that line..........that really isn't an issue. The roof covering may cross the party line, but the separating wall should be up against firestop material at that level.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #10
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    galwaytt wrote:
    but you could object, anyway. IMHO, don't object unless they get granted permission. That way you won't be sticking your neck out for a fight that mightn't be needed.......
    To the best of my knowledge theres no planning required...they just work away and get it done so how could I object :confused:


  • #11
    muffler
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    Right. I have watched the posts here with interest and tbh this is not what this forum is about. We are prepared to allow discussion on various construction methods and associated materials, planning laws in general but what we wont get drawn into is 2 things - reasons that people can object to a neighbour and any posts that remotely offer advice of a structural nature.

    Sizzler, you need to engage an architect/engineer to inspect these matters first hand.

    Thread locked


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