Child in day care dies after being bound with tape

Devon

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/19/daycare.death.ap/index.html

TULSA, Oklahoma (AP) -- A day care worker was being held Saturday in the death of a 2-year-old boy whose hands were bound and his mouth covered with masking tape, police said.

The boy, who had been on life support, died late Thursday, Officer Jason Willingham said.

Vicki Leigh Chiles was being held without bail on a complaint of first-degree murder. She was the only worker at the facility at the time, looking after eight children ages 7 and younger, Willingham said.

Chiles told police the boy would not be quiet for nap time, so she used tape to silence him, an arrest report states.

Chiles told investigators she left the boy unattended for a few minutes and came back to find him lying on the floor unresponsive, the report states. She said she called for an ambulance and tried to perform CPR.

The state agency that oversees child day care operators was investigating Chiles' business, said Mary Leaver, an agency spokeswoman.

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Doesn't say what he died of, but my guess is suffocation. Horrible.

DEmeant0r

You'd think being a care worker you'd have more intelligence than that.

Jesus Wept

Yes it is horrible.

Is this the best section this thread?

Karl Hungus

Nasty, but first-degree murder? That's premeditated, isn't it?

I would imagine that the dumbass didn't set out to kill the boy, and that the death was accidental.

Don't get me wrong, trying to silence the kid with duct-tape was a completely horrible thing to do, but I just don't get how this could be considered first-degree murder?

Balaam

Thats horrid. That a child care worker could do that...

I think that first degree murder simply needs to be proven to have been forethought. That the act was planned. The death may have been accidential, but tying the child up and gabbing him with duct tape is a planned act.

Had the day care worker lost her temper and hit the child you could "get away" with manslaughter.

mikemac

From my extensive knowledge of American TV and John Grisham books:D , that is definitly not first degree murder.

Sam Vimes

Balaam wrote:

Thats horrid. That a child care worker could do that...

I think that first degree murder simply needs to be proven to have been forethought. That the act was planned. The death may have been accidential, but tying the child up and gabbing him with duct tape is a planned act.

Had the day care worker lost her temper and hit the child you could "get away" with manslaughter.

i don't think it works like that. that way if someone decided to give someone a lift to work and crashed the car and killed the person they could be done for first degree murder because picking them up was planned


you have to intend to kill the person for it to be first degree. she just wanted to shut him up

Ciaran500

Is one minder enough to deal with 8 kids?

brianthebard

Ciaran500 wrote:

Is one minder enough to deal with 8 kids?

Yes.

seamus

Karl Hungus wrote:

Nasty, but first-degree murder? That's premeditated, isn't it?

That's what I thought. You could only get her on manslaughter here, not murder. I think second-degree murder is the US equivalent.

Sangre

Its just not 1st degree murder. They always do that in the states though, charge them for as much as possible so they can use them for sway if cutting deals.

mike65

8 kids = 2 minders in my book

Mike.

Devon

mike65 wrote:

8 kids = 2 minders in my book

Mike.

Agreed. What happens if one kid throws a wobbler? Well in this case you just kill him by taping his primary airway closed, but *usually* there's more than 1 carer for anything over 6 tots (in Ireland anyway).

I can only hope it was quick and painless.

Ste.phen

Commander Vimes wrote:

i don't think it works like that. that way if someone decided to give someone a lift to work and crashed the car and killed the person they could be done for first degree murder because picking them up was planned

No, i think it's more like if you run someone over for insurance money and accidentally run them over too fast and kill them...

WellyJ

Devon wrote:

Agreed. What happens if one kid throws a wobbler? Well in this case you just kill him by taping his primary airway closed, but *usually* there's more than 1 carer for anything over 6 tots (in Ireland anyway).

I can only hope it was quick and painless.

Well seeing as the child was on life support for a time I doubt that it was

Sam Vimes

Igy wrote:

No, i think it's more like if you run someone over for insurance money and accidentally run them over too fast and kill them...

i suppose that would be more similar but that's too far the other way. its pretty much impossible to make sure you don't kill someone when hitting them with a car so it would be first degree murder


its probably more like having a fight with someone and you trip them and they smash their skull. the intention would have been to fight them, not kill them and so its not first degree

Binomate

The kid was obviously at fault here. Why didn't he breath through his nose?

Voodu Child

Binomate wrote:

The kid was obviously at fault here. Why didn't he breath through his nose?

Probably had some lego up it. We've all been there..

Devon

voodoo_child wrote:

Probably had some lego up it. We've all been there..

You guys have the darkest sense of humour... and I thought I was the only one...

pickarooney

She'll probably be offered a plea-bargain of the actual offence, voluntary manslaughter - unconscionable stupidity not being a capital offence.

RainyDay

DEmeant0r wrote:

You'd think being a care worker you'd have more intelligence than that.

Probably on minimum wage. We pay those who care for our children and our elderly relatives next to nothing.

rachums

Ciaran500 wrote:

Is one minder enough to deal with 8 kids?

depends what ages the children are.

Slow Motion

RainyDay wrote:

Probably on minimum wage. We pay those who care for our children and our elderly relatives next to nothing.

That's kind of irrelevant, the point is anybody being employed in such a position of care should have been trained to know better !

John Mason

As someone who works indirectly with the childcare sector and gets to see all the HSE Reports - i am not really surprised, there are one or two really dodgy people out there running facilities, kids being found along busy roads cos doors arnt locked, being sworn at and abused..........the reports are a real eye opener - some scary **** going on in creches in ireland

Mahatma coat

murder, premeditated, seriously like tapeing a kids hands together and then tapin his mouth, lacko basic common sense is not a defence, but kilin kids through stupidity is a crime

BaZmO*

Ciaran500 wrote:

Is one minder enough to deal with 8 kids?

What difference does that make?

If someone is stupid enough to bound and gag a child well then the amount of children in their care is irrelevant.

Dudess

BaZmO* wrote:

What difference does that make?

If someone is stupid enough to bound and gag a child well then the amount of children in their care is irrelevant.

No it isn't. If there was a second childcare assistant working with her, this might not have happened.

rcaz

"Tried to perform CPR"??

As in she knew how to do it, but failed, or just tried blowing down his throat? Judging from the intellect the carer has shown, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the latter...