Somewhat uninteresting hand.

Marq

Fitz 1/2 Pot Limit Hold'em. Early in the evening.

Villian is an unknown Scandi. Haven't seen him play many hands, he seems tight enough. He bought in for a grand, which for me is usually a sign that he has some idea of what he's doing. I have 650 at the start of the hand.

villian limps in early position, 2 limps after him and I raise to 10 in the cut-off with QJ of spades. the whole world calls (button folds though giving me position).

Flop (60):
Jc Tc 6d

Checked all the way around to me and I bet 40, villian calls, everyone else folds.

Turn (140):
8s

Villian checks. I check.

River (140):
4c

Villian bets 55. Hero?

Villian's range? Call, fold, raise? Pot odds come into it?

RedJoker

3.5 to 1 on the call is tempting. The bet seems to be looking for a call though. Without any reads/history it's hard to know.

Turn check may have induced a river bluff.

I call.

pok3rplaya

bet the turn, fold to raise. The board is mega drawy.

His range is badly played set + flushs + missed straight draws (which he bets bigger with). I fold without more info.

RedJoker

Just noticed the river was a club. That changes things. Leaning more to a fold now, 8 on turn was a bad card as well.

phantom_lord

yeah I'd fold. I doubt this is ever a bluff, or a thin value bet with a worse hand.

insafehands

Bet c. €50 on the turn, he may have lucked a flush. AT, A9, 9Ts are possibilities here.

As played, I'd call with the odds.

hotspur

I would have kicked myself for letting the club get there for free from the turn, but anyway a raise doesn't sound too clever since his most likely hand is the flush. With the raise being a little over 1/4 of the pot being offered to you then I think he has QK, 89, AK, AQ, AT, KT, 27o enough times to make a call not a terrible play. There are thousands of Scandies who will make a value bet looking bluff on the river there just like that.

Hectorjelly

I think you should definitely call this, you only need to win one time in 5 and you beat some of his value betting hands. This could easily be AJ/Kj being pretty sure he is ahead and making a value/blocking bet. He could have a missed draw. I think folding this is madness tbh.

I dont like the turn check.

BuChan

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think you should definitely call this, you only need to win one time in 5 and you beat some of his value betting hands. This could easily be AJ/Kj being pretty sure he is ahead and making a value/blocking bet. He could have a missed draw. I think folding this is madness tbh.

I dont like the turn check.

you could have made it 13 to go here preflop and i think in pot limit a it's always best to max it preflop an extra few euro will narrow down the field slightly. i don't like checking the turn here at all as the board is so draw heavy. i don't know if it's an instacall, are you really ahead here even 1 out of 5 times? you can't beat AJ/KJ (i guess hectorjelly meant A10/K10) and 55 into a 145 pot doesn't look like a missed draw bluff although maybe villian is making a tricky value bet bluff, if he bought in for a grand he could afford to make a decent sized bluff on the river. i guess with such good odds maybe it is a call but i don't think it's a bad idea to fold here either, i would probably fold.

cardshark202

AJ and KJ are ahead here. I think this can be folded but its very close. I'm a total station so I prolly look him up though.

Hitman Actual

I tend towards calling too.

Marq

Results: I called this, but absolutely hated the call when making it. I found it extremely hard to put him on a hand I was beating other than J9, 9T, 89 or a total bluff. Since all the draws got there (other than KQ), a total bluff seems unlikely. Lots of hands he might make a blocking bet with on the river are beating me. The hands I am beating are such a low percentage of his range that I really don't think the pot odds justify a call.

I'm a station though, so I got see him table 79 for the gut-shotted idiot straight.

pok3rplaya wrote:

bet the turn, fold to raise. The board is mega drawy.

I think this might be the best line. I had a feeling he might have Q9 so once the eight hit I was looking for a cheap showdown.

RedJoker

Marq wrote:

so I got see him table 79 for the gut-shotted idiot straight.

standard.

Marq

RedJoker wrote:

standard.

I wasn't surprised or annoyed. I think I played the hand pretty badly.

RedJoker

Marq wrote:

I wasn't surprised or annoyed. I think I played the hand pretty badly.

You bet when you were ahead and checked when you were behind. The call is marginal but it gave you a lot of info on a deep stacked opponent. Can't see too many huge mistakes here tbh.

pok3rplaya

Marq wrote:

I think this might be the best line. I had a feeling he might have Q9 so once the eight hit I was looking for a cheap showdown.

You can't play perfectly against all the draws at once so just try and deal with the more obvious (likely) ones.

Marq

RedJoker wrote:

The call is marginal but it gave you a lot of info on a deep stacked opponent.

This is a good enough point - if the call is very marginal then perhaps getting to see his hand pushes me more towards calling if we're going to be playing together for a long time, which we would have been because this was the main hold'em table early in the night. Unfortunately this was to be my last hand at the table because I had somewhere to be yesterday evening and hadn't intended on playing cards.

it might say a lot about how the villian saw me that he was prepared to call OOP with a bad middler draw on a flushing board in a big enough pot. He must have thought I was awful: as it is I was very close to folding.

pok3rplaya wrote:

You can't play perfectly against all the draws at once so just try and deal with the more obvious (likely) ones.

I should have mentioned in the OP that he deliberated a little before calling, so I thought it was more likely that he was on a straight draw rather than a flush draw. I think if I thought a flush draw was more likely I would have folded the river.

Either way I felt that my hand was marginal either way and I didn't want to inflate the pot any further.

RedJoker

Marq wrote:

it might say a lot about how the villian saw me that he was prepared to call OOP with a bad middler draw on a flushing board in a big enough pot. He must have thought I was awful: as it is I was very close to folding.

LOL, maybe but it probably means he has no concept of pot odds. Plus a gutshot is TEH NUTZ, obv can't fold the nuts.

DapperGent

RedJoker wrote:

Plus a gutshot is TEH NUTZ, obv can't fold the nuts.

Well you can if you put someone on the same gutshot but with a redraw.

Hectorjelly

no wonder I lost so much last night, I thought Marq had top 2, I couldnt understand why everyone was saying fold.