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Jimkel

Anyone here not train in BJJ or MMA?

In other words is this forum dominated as it seems by BJJ and MMA students/instructors?? I am not looking for conspiracy or anything like that nor am I trying to instigate an arguement. This is a peaceful thread to say hello to the TMArtists who may not post often or at all. I am not trying to start another TMA vs MMA/BJJ thread so lets try keep it civil:)

for instance: I am curious if there is any point of me bringing up Karate topics in the hope I will get input from any other Karateka?

So is there any TKD, Karate, kung fu, silat, or other traditional martial artists who are happy in their art and do not train in BJJ or MMA and like me do not watch or follow the UFC and other such sports at the moment?

So this is a thread for such people to come out of the proverbial woodwork and let them selves be known.:D


Ill start, I'm Jim And I train In Shotokan, You may have seen me post here on some of the more "Lively" Threads and I am interested in meeting some Traditional martial arts practitioners here.:cool:

I have already had lively,interesting an educational conversations with many of the MMA and BJJ guys and I have learned much I did not know and even had my perspective changed on occasion by some good debate, so I wanna draw some people out of there shells here and see If I cant encourage others to post regardless of there skill levels,opinions or confidance.

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silat liam

Hi Jim

I been training in Martial Arts since 1979, and have keen interest in South East Asian Arts. I started in Karate , as at the time that was the only martial art available in my town and than around 1985 became interested in Silat and Eskrima especially, also did some jkd along the way. Since Silat is a minority art, and very close knit community along with the fact that a much older age group practise it who dont spend much time on computers checking youtube, bebo, forums etc...all leads to the fact for me that there not many people here to talk about Silat topics. There were Jim alot more people here from TMA but most of them have move on. Hopefully some more people might add to the thread.

Regards

Liam

NeiloMac

Does Judo not count as a Traditional MA?

ColinJennings

I've been training TKD for nine years now and still love it. There is so more to a martial art than efficacy alone. That being said thanks to Taekwon-Do I can hit a lot harder than I could before I started training.

Jimkel

NeiloMac wrote:

Does Judo not count as a Traditional MA?

Sure it does, Twas Judo that gave Japanese TMA's The belt system and the Gi, and twas Kano who helped Funikoshi gain reputation and found okinowan Karate schools in Japan, I suppose by traditional I Mean classical styles

Jimkel

Welcome all! keep those posts comin:)

Jimkel

silat liam wrote:

Hi Jim

all leads to the fact for me that there not many people here to talk about Silat topics. There were Jim alot more people here from TMA but most of them have move on. Hopefully some more people might add to the thread.

Its a shame, I think the more styles represented here the better for the forum. Especially from arts in a minority

Jimkel

ColinJennings wrote:

I've been training TKD for nine years now

Wow nine years, you must be Good!

yomchi

Training in Taekwon-Do since 1987, with a good amount of Kickboxing and boxing along the way. Started TMA in 1986 with Kenpo, but moved on to TKD.

Nothingcompares

Jimkel wrote:

Sure it does, Twas Judo that gave Japanese TMA's The belt system and the Gi, and twas Kano who helped Funikoshi gain reputation and found okinowan Karate schools in Japan, I suppose by traditional I Mean classical styles

This isn't an attempt to hijack this thread but you're wrong to call martial arts which you refer to in this thread as classical. Here is a series of definitions of classical from an internet dictionary, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/classical ,how do any of these describe karate, kung fu or TKD. Do you really mean archaic when you say classical? I'm not going to give you a history lesson on martial arts but I don't there are many people on this forum practising something in a similar fashion to how it was practised a 1000 years ago. The closest might be MMA and Pankration.

I think you're better off keeping to your first clause - anything that isn't MMA or BJJ.

Black Swan

Several years training and part-time teaching TKD, plus a recent year Iaijutsu training.

Musashi

Some Shotokan, lots of TKD, a bit of Hapkido and lately a good bit of "Combatives", as umbrella a term as "Traditional" sometimes!

Sayoc Kali is excellent if you get a chance to try it, I'm sure the various Escrima styles are also worth a shot, very similar moves used in both!

I've had a seminar with John Kav. to be fair it was also well worth the time to get to! BJJ/MMA has a lot to recommend it to the martial arts student, it's great to be able to roll with the top guy in the country after all! Fair play Kav. and keep up the good work, variety is the spice after all lads

Colm_OReilly

Nothingcompares, I don't see a need to be antagonistic on this thread.

Liam,

a much older age group practise it who dont spend much time on computers checking youtube, bebo, forums etc...

lol! It's funny because it's true!

Colm

Roper

Hey,
I have a 2nd degree black belt in Taekwondo, but at the moment I train in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which is actually older than TKD by abiut 40 years.

paxo

I wouldn't describe them as TMA but I train in Krav Maga / Systema / Ga Rage boxing. I have a background in Wado Ryu / Goju Ryu
Paxo

MaeveD

Jimkel wrote:

So is there any TKD, Karate, kung fu, silat, or other traditional martial artists who are happy in their art and do not train in BJJ

12 years ish (not very traditional) Aikido and I'm very happy with it .... but I'm also very happy doing BJJ for the last few years too!

LukeyJudo22

Sorry was supposed to post in the other thread.

hello my name is luke and im a judoholic.

by the way? judo = tma??

Dont know about that, well maybe, reckon it has the benifit of being a hugely popular 'alive' martial art and olympic sport with a truely international flavour as well as being a tma for some...

just not me!

-Luke

Jimkel

Nothingcompares wrote:

This isn't an attempt to hijack this thread but you're wrong to call martial arts which you refer to in this thread as classical. Here is a series of definitions of classical from an internet dictionary, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/classical ,how do any of these describe karate, kung fu or TKD. Do you really mean archaic when you say classical? I'm not going to give you a history lesson on martial arts but I don't there are many people on this forum practising something in a similar fashion to how it was practised a 1000 years ago. The closest might be MMA and Pankration.

I think you're better off keeping to your first clause - anything that isn't MMA or BJJ.

ahhhh sure Im always wrong anyway...I meant classical as a figure of speech, generally i mean any non Bjj/mma, But Im sure you'll find fault with that too. Im not trying to argue lineage or age,

columok

I think nothingcompare's point is that the word's classical or traditional are relatively meaningless ways of categorising martial arts.

Surely boxing is more classical than TKD. Surely wrestling is the most classical of all MAs (since Greek & Roman studies is so often known as classical studies).

So why distinguish on age? Surely one side has a desire for outright functional training methods at all costs (e.g wrestling, mma, bjj, muay thai, judo,) while others train for reasons non-related to function (many karate, many tkd, many others).

henryb

Hi there.
have a mostly karate (shotokan) and boxing background.
Dabbled in a bit of hapkido for a few months, but to be honest
wasnt really for me and went to a really good taekwondo class
in berlin for a year while i was there!
studying krav maga at the min for the past 9 months!

Jimkel

columok wrote:

I think nothingcompare's point is that the word's classical or traditional are relatively meaningless ways of categorising martial arts.

Surely boxing is more classical than TKD. Surely wrestling is the most classical of all MAs (since Greek & Roman studies is so often known as classical studies).

So why distinguish on age? Surely one side has a desire for outright functional training methods at all costs (e.g wrestling, mma, bjj, muay thai, judo,) while others train for reasons non-related to function (many karate, many tkd, many others).

I mean any non Bjj/mma.forget the words traditional,classical etc as I said I am not here to argue lineage just to see which other styles are represented here by people as I already know that there are many BJJ and MMA students here.

RealJohn

I started in TKD and still occasionally dabble.
The politics turned me off though. That and people who see a belt colour as a proof of a person's ability to fight.

Naos

I train in JiuJitsu and Judo - But have been neglecting the Judo the last few months for college...

vasch_ro

Wado Ryu/ and a little aikido, a little lau gar kung fu, bjj

ColinJennings

Jimkel wrote:

Wow nine years, you must be Good!

No sadly not. I'm ok, but I wouldn't think I'm that good.

Boru.

Trained in Shotokan Karate for over 15 years. Studied Kobudo for 10 years, Aikido for 3, Jujitsu, Kendo, and Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu for about 2 years.

Also studied Krav, Kappa, Senshido, Systema, Combatives etc.

Now teach and train in RBPP, and occasionally teach Kata Bunkai.

In response to your orginal qurery I will RARELY post on this forum as there are very few topics presented that would personally intrest me.

tkdguy

ChangMooKwan Taekwondo for about 3 years now.

Nothingcompares

I think it's interesting that a big chunk of the mma/bjj people have trained in other arts. Just a quick run down

John Kavanagh - black belt in kempo, many times national sparring and kata champion
Colm O'Reilly - black belt in kempo (one of the youngest ever)
Pearse Stokes - black belt in kempo, 4 years kung fu (competed internationally)
The Shane - black belt in kempo
Roper - black belt in TKD
Mark Leonard - black belt in TKD, TKD coach
Tim Murphy - black belt in TKD (many times national champion)
Clive - black belt in WTF TKD, experienced in kung fu and Muay Thai
crazy monkey - WTF TKD (amongst other things ?)
Columok - Some years training in Aikido
ShaneT - Black belt in karate
bella1 - black belt in judo, many times Irish champion

I think one of the things you can take from this is that the people that made the change over from "TMA" to MMA/BJJ were highly accomplished in their respective martial arts, in terms of gradings, competitions and performance of kata/patterns. So one might conclude that if one of your main interests is competition and performance, you might consider expanding your martial arts horizons.

Black Swan

Nothingcompares wrote:

So one might conclude that if one of your main interests is competition and performance, you might consider expanding your martial arts horizons.

Makes sense (Draws blade. Chop! Cleans. Resheaths).

SorGan

Nothingcompares wrote:

I think it's interesting that a big chunk of the mma/bjj people have trained in other arts. Just a quick run down

John Kavanagh - black belt in kempo, many times national sparring and kata champion
Colm O'Reilly - black belt in kempo (one of the youngest ever)
Pearse Stokes - black belt in kempo, 4 years kung fu (competed internationally)
The Shane - black belt in kempo
Roper - black belt in TKD
Mark Leonard - black belt in TKD, TKD coach
Tim Murphy - black belt in TKD (many times national champion)
Clive - black belt in WTF TKD, experienced in kung fu and Muay Thai
crazy monkey - WTF TKD (amongst other things ?)
Columok - Some years training in Aikido
ShaneT - Black belt in karate
bella1 - black belt in judo, many times Irish champion

I think one of the things you can take from this is that the people that made the change over from "TMA" to MMA/BJJ were highly accomplished in their respective martial arts, in terms of gradings, competitions and performance of kata/patterns. So one might conclude that if one of your main interests is competition and performance, you might consider expanding your martial arts horizons.

or simply take up any sport perhaps?

memphis

Just to add my 2 cent.

Doing TKD (ITF style) for about 3 and a half year now. Am currently a Red Belt. Hoping to go for my Black Belt in October all going well.

First did TKD as a kid and graded to yellow tag but the club broke up unfortunately.

I then gave a few weeks at kenpo karate when I was in my teens, but wasn't for me.

Subsequently returned to TKD at 22/23 and am still training now at nearly 26.

yomchi

So one might conclude that if one of your main interests is competition and performance, you might consider expanding your martial arts horizons.

Thanks for the advice...

Nothingcompares

Your welcome jon.

Obviously there is a lot more to it. If you like playing it safe and don't want to try anything new, don't bother doing mma. If you like standing at the top of your hall in a pair of pyjamas and people calling you sir or sensei and bowing and nodding at you, don't do mma. If you want to go to semi-contact competitions where no one actually knows exactly what semi-contact is and fight a load of creamers, don't do mma. If you like collecting new techniques like stamps so you can save them in your little black book and never use them, don't do mma. If you want to perform a choreographed demonstrations punctuated by deep breaths and foot stomps, don't do mma.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Kickboxing background, and in the last 3.5yrs its been Judo.

Around the same time as I stopped competing at KB a mate invited me to a Judo class, I LOVED IT.

MMA appeared on the scene here in Ireland just as my kickboxing competing days were ending, I was in my middle/late 30's. Although I trained with Andy and the lads in SBGn when it was in Finglas.

But time (age) was catching up on me fast and I had to make a decision as to where I was going in Martial arts, I chose Judo. And although I find Judo tougher than kickboxing and I'm alot older now (I'm 41), judo suits my strenght and weight moreso than KB.

So there ya have it. These days its Judo. I've an interest in Kendo, but I'm concentrating on Judo until I get my BB (at least) before taking a serious look at Kendo.

Black Swan

Nothingcompares wrote:

If you want to perform a choreographed demonstrations punctuated by deep breaths and foot stomps, don't do mma.

You forgot the board breaking and the cucumber I chop on someone's stomach?;)

SorGan

Nothingcompares wrote:

Your welcome jon.

Obviously there is a lot more to it. If you like playing it safe and don't want to try anything new, don't bother doing mma. If you like standing at the top of your hall in a pair of pyjamas and people calling you sir or sensei and bowing and nodding at you, don't do mma. If you want to go to semi-contact competitions where no one actually knows exactly what semi-contact is and fight a load of creamers, don't do mma. If you like collecting new techniques like stamps so you can save them in your little black book and never use them, don't do mma. If you want to perform a choreographed demonstrations punctuated by deep breaths and foot stomps, don't do mma.

god how old is this kid?

DITTKD

Hi I'm Seán,

Took up TKD in 3rd year of college, but the college year coupled with lack of funds has made progress slow for me. Now I'm working and have stealthy transport (a bicycle) so that shouldn't be a problem in the future.

Also tried a little Tai Chi. I like it because the excersice benefits me, but it doesn't risk the sort of injuries that don't benefit me. I also like playing guitar and that, so broken knuckles aren't a good thing for me to have!

Didn't really have an active interest in other MA's before, but dossing around this forum has piqued my interest in a few.

BLUNT

Hello names Jason O Ceallaigh
Train is South East Asian martial arts,fought sport Muay Thai in Bangkok...trained in Thailand,trained weapons Thai style found ring training no were near as hard as Krabi Krabong or Ling Lom....got more into living traditional arts moved into Indonesian arts "Silek" ( Silat ) play Penjang Gulat ( Indonesian wrestling...comes from ole Persia ).........generaly love training hard,always have done...study Indonesian and Siamese dances too along with healing systems .Respect any one who traines hard,as a reliance on secret tech's,will get you no where.Main area of study Indonesian systems but still have agreat love for every thing Thai.Respects to all,peace J

dent

Hey I'm Michael

Did WTF TKD for about 5 years
Jujutsu for about 6 years
Now training in Judo

buck65

2 years in TKD love it, would love to become competent in Judo or BJJ to compliment strike ability. Not getting any younger tho!!
I post here a bit but less and less as I know little about MMA, prefer a good boxing bout to UFC but I am ignorant of the skills in grappling.
Have my heart set on becoming a fit and strong BB in the next 2 years.

TKD SC

Hey Jim,

ITF TKD 13.5yrs (no grading & v few classes between '95 - '99 though! so more like 9.5 yrs!!). Hopefully going for 2nd dan in Dec

Last year, I was away for the year and did following: Boxing, WTF TKD & Hapkido, and Nunchakus

Over last couple of years, have also tried out the following:Kickboxing (Joe Canning) 2 months, Chen Tai Chi 10 week beginner course, Bujinkan Budo Tai Jutsu 2 months, Aikido 7 classes roughly

And between 1 -4 classes in the following: Ba Gua ,Chin Na, Ju Jutsu (& Kuatsu) (Joe Carslake), Shaolin White Crane, Xing Yi, Yang Tai Chi, Shotokan Karate, Wing Tsun, BJJ (most recently).

Have enjoyed all the different classes but unfort can't do everything! TKD will always be my primary MA & I still love it! Would like to continue with BJJ once per week and perhaps try a Judo class also (in case I prefer Judo to BJJ!). Will try to fit in a boxing class once a week also in a couple months.

Don't watch many UFC fights (don't have those channels, or else prob would watch them!). Of ones I've seen, one or two were v good, the rest I didn't like at all, and would generally prefer to watch a good boxing fight on tv.

Thanks,

Simon

pma-ire

jim,

i started training in tkd about 20 years ago, and currently hold a 4th dan. in that time have also studied kung fu, hapkido (linked to choi yong sul's line) and kyusho jitsu (ao denkou jitsu) in that time.

along with some healthy doses of reality from working in hotel, nightclubs and bars for the last 14 years!

love martial arts! hate bullsh*t!!

yomchi

Nothingcompares wrote:

Your welcome jon.

Obviously there is a lot more to it. If you like playing it safe and don't want to try anything new, don't bother doing mma. If you like standing at the top of your hall in a pair of pyjamas and people calling you sir or sensei and bowing and nodding at you, don't do mma. If you want to go to semi-contact competitions where no one actually knows exactly what semi-contact is and fight a load of creamers, don't do mma. If you like collecting new techniques like stamps so you can save them in your little black book and never use them, don't do mma. If you want to perform a choreographed demonstrations punctuated by deep breaths and foot stomps, don't do mma.

Gotcha

Jimkel

vasch_ro wrote:

Wado Ryu/ and a little aikido, a little lau gar kung fu, bjj

Cool nice to see a Wado Ryu karateka here.

Jimkel

Boru. wrote:

Trained in Shotokan Karate for over 15 years. Studied Kobudo for 10 years, Aikido for 3, Jujitsu, Kendo, and Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu for about 2 years.

Also studied Krav, Kappa, Senshido, Systema, Combatives etc.

Now teach and train in RBPP, and occasionally teach Kata Bunkai.

In response to your orginal qurery I will RARELY post on this forum as there are very few topics presented that would personally intrest me.

Thats alot of MA experience, Its a shame you dont post more, You sound like a goldmine of Martail arts knowledge.;)

Jimkel

Its good to see people here have so much experience in a wide variety of martial arts, Some of you seem to have trained in many and some of you seem to have stuck mailnly with one, either way its all MA experience as far as Im concerned,And respect to ya'll for your comittment to MA. PMA-IRE and TKD SC you've both spent many years in TKD, so its good to see that TKD is well represented here.

dlofnep

I've trained Judo for the past year and I'm a lowly yellow belt. Does that count as traditional?

OldBloke

Kyokushin Karate for 21 years although we are not always considered traditional - I suppose it depends on your point of view.

Cake Fiend

LOL, Nothingcompares, that's an awfully big chip you have on your shoulder! I'd say you get good exercise carrying that yoke around.

I do shotokan kratty, but I'd like to think my club's a bit more on the 'forward-thinking' side than 'traditional'. A bit of this and that (e.g. KM) over the years when I had the time.

crazy monkey

First nothing compares

I have trained TKD with different associations such as ITF, WTF and ITA
Only got my red never took the black belt test for WTF unfortunately - the more competitions I did the better eventually they would have just given it to me...that made me want to leave as well as hamstring, ACL and PCL injuries...
Terry donnelly and john kelly are still heroes of mine though

Also a kenpo black belt...was teaching classes since I was about13/14...wasn't too bad
Trained with the legendary tony dillon aka wooly

Trained in aikido with mark bedford [tomiki - similar in aspects to judo] only for a few months
with brnedan dowling also...good coach very nice man too
and with tim bernes [biernes] who taugh me yoshinkan [not sure of the correct spelling] aikido and trained me to black belt in shi to ryu [spelling?] karate
still have to get a black only have leather ones...and that's too kinky for training lol
While I was with Tim I trained in kung fu as well as IKA style kickboxing because alot of the guys there were from various backgrounds...even learned some bo/jo, sai and bokken [wooden] katana training as well as everybodies fave tool...the nunchacku....
Did a few months with kyokushin guys in mother of devine grace school finglas for a while in mid 90's - hard training + good fun

I now train bjj [evolving yet could be considered a 'traditonal' art since it has belts, gi/no gi] and mma which i consider two separate arts...certainly bjj is an element of mma...don't get me wrong but i seem them as separate since bjj alone will not win you everytime in mma...

occassionally do thai boxing [ traditional art?]
REALLY want to learn judo too

NOW jimkel...

would you consider thai boxing and bjj 'traditional arts'
Thai boxers have customs such as the headdress and ring ceremonies similar to kata I opine...
bjj...practiced against resisiting opponents very traditional that...in fact predates modern tradition
Can be thought in two formats ie gi/no gi - so we don't just have 1 uniform we have two...
We have belts also...

Opinions and general thoughts [rude or polite] will be entertained....

personally I am an evloving traditionist....
I love the non mma based arts but surely I shouldn't have to justify myself online after all the training I've done and I don't think it's fair to ask anyone to 'chose' a side
tma v mma v reality based self defense systems...
we are all martial artists
whether you are an artist [kata, traditional, uniform etc]
or you are martial [reality based self defense/ vale tudo]
who cares we are the self defense and martial arts thread

everything we practice should be discussed...
some of it will appeal to me and some of it won't
it's similar to who reads the times or who reads the sun...
Different points of view but both are newspapers...

Just my opinion...
Now i've bored myself....
ciao

crazy monkey

First nothing compares

I have trained TKD with different associations such as ITF, WTF and ITA
Only got my red never took the black belt test for WTF unfortunately - the more competitions I did the better eventually they would have just given it to me...that made me want to leave as well as hamstring, ACL and PCL injuries...
Terry donnelly and john kelly are still heroes of mine though

Also a kenpo black belt...was teaching classes since I was about13/14...wasn't too bad
Trained with the legendary tony dillon aka wooly

Trained in aikido with mark bedford [tomiki - similar in aspects to judo] only for a few months
with brnedan dowling also...good coach very nice man too
and with tim bernes [biernes] who taugh me yoshinkan [not sure of the correct spelling] aikido and trained me to black belt in shi to ryu [spelling?] karate
still have to get a black only have leather ones...and that's too kinky for training lol
While I was with Tim I trained in kung fu as well as IKA style kickboxing because alot of the guys there were from various backgrounds...even learned some bo/jo, sai and bokken [wooden] katana training as well as everybodies fave tool...the nunchacku....
Did a few months with kyokushin guys in mother of devine grace school finglas for a while in mid 90's - hard training + good fun

I now train bjj [evolving yet could be considered a 'traditonal' art since it has belts, gi/no gi] and mma which i consider two separate arts...certainly bjj is an element of mma...don't get me wrong but i seem them as separate since bjj alone will not win you everytime in mma...

occassionally do thai boxing [ traditional art?]
REALLY want to learn judo too

NOW jimkel...

would you consider thai boxing and bjj 'traditional arts'
Thai boxers have customs such as the headdress and ring ceremonies similar to kata I opine...
bjj...practiced against resisiting opponents very traditional that...in fact predates modern tradition
Can be thought in two formats ie gi/no gi - so we don't just have 1 uniform we have two...
We have belts also...

Opinions and general thoughts [rude or polite] will be entertained....

personally I am an evloving traditionist....
I love the non mma based arts but surely I shouldn't have to justify myself online after all the training I've done and I don't think it's fair to ask anyone to 'chose' a side
tma v mma v reality based self defense systems...
we are all martial artists
whether you are an artist [kata, traditional, uniform etc]
or you are martial [reality based self defense/ vale tudo]
who cares we are the self defense and martial arts thread

everything we practice should be discussed...
some of it will appeal to me and some of it won't
it's similar to who reads the times or who reads the sun...
Different points of view but both are newspapers...

Just my opinion...
Now i've bored myself....
ciao