If an M.E.P. get elected to the Dáil...

delta_bravo

If Simon Coveney,Mary Lou Mc Donald or Mairead McGuinness get elected to the Dáil will they have to resign their seats in Brussels?

yomchi

Their seats will filled by nominees of their respective parties

delta_bravo

Jon wrote:

Their seats will filled by nominees of their respective parties

Ok thanks. I dont agree with that at all. If you get elected as MEP you should see out your term and not delegate it on to someone that the people did not wish to be an mep

flurby

Yeah that's bull. Especially when you consider the electorate voted for that person to represent them... not their party. If I had voted for Mary Lou I might be very peeved if some Shinner I didn't like took her place.

delta_bravo

flurby wrote:

Yeah that's bull. Especially when you consider the electorate voted for that person to represent them... not their party. If I had voted for Mary Lou I might be very peeved if some Shinner I didn't like took her place.

Well its not just her. Mc Guinness and Coveney (FG) should all see out their term if they actually are to fulfil the commitments im sure they made during mep elections

gandalf

Actually I would much prefer that in future you voted for a party and its policies and they filled the positions from a list of candidates for their parties thus removing the bull**** personality side (and parish pump) of irish politics.

delta_bravo

gandalf wrote:

Actually I would much prefer that in future you voted for a party and its policies and they filled the positions from a list of candidates for their parties thus removing the bull**** personality side (and parish pump) of irish politics.

All that same crap goes on within a party though. The amount of bootlicking most of our tds did just to get nominated is unreal

ateam

gandalf wrote:

Actually I would much prefer that in future you voted for a party and its policies and they filled the positions from a list of candidates for their parties thus removing the bull**** personality side (and parish pump) of irish politics.

People make the parties and policies. You also need to know if the person you're voting for has the confidence, intelligence and the energy to fulfill the position. Something policies can't show.

Voipjunkie

flurby wrote:

Yeah that's bull. Especially when you consider the electorate voted for that person to represent them... not their party. If I had voted for Mary Lou I might be very peeved if some Shinner I didn't like took her place.

I think they nominate their alternatives at the time of the election

Chakar

No.

athtrasna

Voipjunkie wrote:

I think they nominate their alternatives at the time of the election

I know this happened at the FG conventions and the names of the substitutes were published at the time. People voted for the subs as well as the candidates.

yomchi

I know SF's replacement is very capable indeed.

Dub13

Jon wrote:

I know SF's replacement is very capable indeed.

Who...?

guinnessdrinker

You can be a TD and MEP at the same time. Same thing in the north I think.

athtrasna

Yes and No.

You can be elected to the European Parliament when you're a TD yes. But on being elected to the Dail or Seanad you must resign any other elected public role ie Council seat or European Parliament seat.

gandalf

ateam wrote:

People make the parties and policies. You also need to know if the person you're voting for has the confidence, intelligence and the energy to fulfill the position. Something policies can't show.

Actually you're wrong, it will be up to the party to ensure they put the people in place that can do the job and impliement policies or provide proper opposition rather than have people in place who may be known locally but are lacking in their abilities, Martin Cullen being a prime example (but I am sure there are plenty of people in the other political parties who are lacking but are only on the ticket because they or their family name are "known").

yomchi

Dub13 wrote:

Who...?

http://www.politics.ie/wiki/index.php?title=Killian_Forde

Voipjunkie

Jon wrote:

http://www.politics.ie/wiki/index.php?title=Killian_Forde

So am I correct that the replacements are selected before the election as we do not have by-elections for European seats

ateam

gandalf wrote:

Actually you're wrong, it will be up to the party to ensure they put the people in place that can do the job and impliement policies or provide proper opposition rather than have people in place who may be known locally but are lacking in their abilities, Martin Cullen being a prime example (but I am sure there are plenty of people in the other political parties who are lacking but are only on the ticket because they or their family name are "known").

Are you suggesting that a person gets elected by thousands of people and is put into a high profile cabinet position because the family name is "known". I think there's a little more to it than that.

yomchi

Voipjunkie wrote:

So am I correct that the replacements are selected before the election as we do not have by-elections for European seats

Thats correct, afaik each party must have 2 replacements or nominee replacements

Voipjunkie

ateam wrote:

Are you suggesting that a person gets elected by thousands of people and is put into a high profile cabinet position because the family name is "known". I think there's a little more to it than that.

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Sile Devalera
Sean Haughey
Conor Lenihan


I would not include Brian Lenihan as he is fairly competent and partially there on merit although the Lenihan name did not hurt when he stood for election the first time.