Some of us lost our way! [** SPOILERS FOR IRE/CHANNEL 6 VIEWERS **]

Johnny Bitte

** SPOILERS BELOW FOR ANYONE NOT UP TO DATE WITH U.S. EPISODES **

Ok,
So we ve now heard Linderman and Hiro's dad say this, that they had friends who were special and tried to make a diffence but some lost their way.

Now this past team of heroes includes:
Linderman (Healing power)
Hiro's dad (Unknown)
Peters dad (unkown)

and probably more.

The question is who lost their way.

Obviously Linderman and Hiro's da are partners in this as Linderman is part of the
adency along with Heores dad.
Peters dad seemed to be friends with Linderman so I m think he didnt like the way the other two were headed and they killed hime.


But no it looks like Hiro's da is helping him stop the bomb, while Linderman wants it to go off!

Thoughts?

aidan_walsh

So no spoiler warning for those trying to follow on Sci-Fi of Channel 6 then.

Thanks. Really.

Average-Ro

Angela Petrelli (Peter and Nathan's mother) was one of the old heros aswel I think. She has a pre recognition through dreaming.

Star Lord

I think

People should learn to spoiler their stuff, and to put spoiler warnings on the thread titles!!!

But seriously:

I think the ones that 'lost their way' was Linderman and Mr+Mrs Petrelli

User45701

Ive been racking my brains all day trying to figure out what sulu's power is im betting he can click his thumbs and make

william shatner

appear

Goodshape

Added the necessary warning for this spoilerific thread.

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THIS IS THE ONLY WARNING I'M GOING TO GIVE

Johnny Bitte

Goodshape wrote:

Added the necessary warning for this spoilerific thread.

ANYONE NOT INCLUDING THE NECESSARY SPOILER-WARNINGS IN FUTURE WILL GET AN AUTOMATIC WEEK LONG BAN.

THIS IS THE ONLY WARNING I'M GOING TO GIVE

My apologies I forgot!



Anyway....... Why just linderman and the Peterilli's?
Further thinking led me to it just being linderman and Mrs Patrilli and Mr Patrilli got cold feet so they got rid of him.

Now Hiro's dad is trying to stop them.

Johnny Bitte

And from watching the video here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055093141
it looks like Mrs Petrelli talks with another "Old Hero" who facies Peters chances over Nathan's

Goodshape

The warnings in place now. You don't have to spoiler tag everything

Johnny Bitte

Goodshape wrote:

The warnings in place now. You don't have to spoiler tag everything

I know but people eemed to get really really upset about it

Mahatma coat

wasnt that discussed before somewhere, isnt that simones aul fella, the one peter has/d the dream about, didnt someone say thaat their power was imortality or at leastincreased longevity, dunno may havebeen trippin and imagineated the lot

Mahatma coat

thats probably why everyone is kinda drawn to that buildin, part of the GrandDesign

Johnny Bitte

Mahatma coat wrote:

wasnt that discussed before somewhere, isnt that simones aul fella, the one peter has/d the dream about, didnt someone say thaat their power was imortality or at leastincreased longevity, dunno may havebeen trippin and imagineated the lot

I think this was just someone speculation, I dont remember anything to back this up.

Frankiestylee

How do ya do the spoiler thing?

Agamemnon

Spoiler tag instructions here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler

Gauge

Comic Spoiler:

Simone's dad's power is hardly immortality when he's dead.

Haven't ye been following the comics? Mr Linderman and Mr Petrelli have been in cahoots since they were in Vietnam together. We know Takei was part of The Company but I am guessing that is no more since the company 'lost it's way'. Now he's no longer involved with Linderman and wants to work against him/stop the bomb.

User45701

Gauge wrote:

Simone's dad's power is hardly immortality when he's dead.

Haven't ye been following the comics? Mr Linderman and Mr Petrelli have been in cahoots since they were in Vietnam together. We know Takei was part of The Company but I am guessing that is no more since the company 'lost it's way'. Now he's no longer involved with Linderman and wants to work against him/stop the bomb.

Dammit this is going to get more complicated because some people don't want to read the comics and just enjoy the show.

So i thought that that spoiler of yours was up to the current episode of heroes because you didnt say before the spoiler that it was a spoiler for those that didnt read the comic.
Its like on the bsg forum, its a remake of the old show so when talking about episodes of the original that might spoiler the new one like BSG Season 3 Episode 4

The destruction of Pegasus

that happened in the original as well so talking about it before that episode aired would have spoiled it for those only watching the episodes.

It makes sense and its not that much effort just to type "spoiler from comic books" before your spoiler tag.

Anyway ive been looking around but i have no clue of the air date for heroes origins?

Raphael

Um... reading the comics and enjoying the show are FAR from mutually exclusive. In fact, reading the comics makes you njoy the show more, in my opinion.

User45701

well i do plan to read the comics but im going to wait for the show to end just like i am waiting for death note

iguana

Um, you do realise that the Pegasus wasn't actually destroyed in the original BSG series, it just went mia, the door was always open for it's return.

Gauge

I forgot to mention that spoiler was for the comics and I apologise for that.

But when people are hypothesising about Heroes it makes sense to include the comics in the discussion as they are canon.

Mahatma coat

where does it say that he's actualy dead in the graphic novels?, simone tells us he died, then she dies. peter dreams about takin the guy flying. alls I'm sayin isthat there isa possibility that theblackfella tlakin about Lindeman is a regeneration of mr devaux, they could have regenerative powers twas hinted at somewhere

Ivan

Unlike the old BSG and the new version, the Heroes comics are intended to be included alongside the show.

The show is not a remake or reinterpretation of the comics.
Therefore it is perfectly fine to have them non-spoilered as anything in the comic is not going to appear in the show, by virtue of the fact of that is why it is in the comic in the first place

At least thats what I think...

OT, I've been thinking about this alot lately, since the last episode.

Hiro's father was the one that gave Claire to Mr Bennet, therefore either he used to be a part of the organisation and has since left or he is still part of the organisation...

Personally, I think he is still part of it. I reckon Mrs. Petrelli, (and possibly Mr. Petrelli) Linderman and Hiro's dad set out to create the company.

From what we've seen so far, their modus operandi is to weed through any Heroes they find, recruit the ones they can, kill the dangerous ones and tag everyone else.

To me, that seems exactly what you would do, if you formed a team of "super-heroes" only to find that things fall apart horribly due to some turning bad.

Also, Hiro's father tells Hiro to kill "the villain", Sylar. Whereas we've been led to believe thus far that it is Peter that exploded/explodes. While in fact it is Sylar that took out nathan and made the results of the explosion a bad thing.

As Linderman said, the explosion is inevitable, its what happens after that that changes things. If Sylar dies, then Nathan goes on to become president, and while he is a bit of a bastard, he does not have the same motives for Sylar's actions as president. Therefore, we can safely assume that the future will not end up quite as bad, if not quite good

So, to me, Hiro's Father and Lindermans actions and intentions are not mutally exclusive and in fact seem to compliment each other.

In the original timeline, Hiro's father may still have trained Hiro, sent Hiro to kill Sylar. Ando thought Hiro was going to give up, so ran after Sylar himself and got killed. In a fit of anger, and in keeping with the whole "in order to do what is important, I must be willing to cut out my own heart", Hiro became somewhat cruel in the hopes of getting the job done. So, Hiro stabs sylar in the chest, but Sylar survived anyway, thanks to Claires power and goes on to kill Candice and impersonate Nathan thus becoming president.

Obviously, since the timeline has been irrevocably changed, both since Claire didnt die and Isaac died well before he should have (or at least Hiro discovered the body well before he should have, remember in one of the first episodes, Hiro travels into the future to Isaacs apartment where he finds an undiscovered, freslhly de-brained Isaac moments before the bomb explodes). This means that the whole season has been about preventing Sylar from becoming president and preventing the multiple deaths from occuring, allowing Sylar to turn the people against the Heroes. The explosion/bomb has always been going to happen.

Anyways, should be interesting and only 4 days and a bit till its out

User45701

Ivan wrote:

As Linderman said, the explosion is inevitable, its what happens after that that changes things. If Sylar dies, then Nathan goes on to become president, and while he is a bit of a bastard, he does not have the same motives for Sylar's actions as president. Therefore, we can safely assume that the future will not end up quite as bad, if not quite good

What if something happens to Mika?
Actually since linderman orchestrated the whole thing does that mean that in season 2 there will be a big ethical deate to decide if they should rig the election and then it might end up with patrelli taking mika's power and rigging the election but not telling his brother

Raphael

User45701 wrote:

well i do plan to read the comics but im going to wait for the show to end just like i am waiting for death note

That's a completely different situation. The Death Note ANim,e is an adaptation of the manga. The Heroes comics are being released alongside the TV show, and add more stuff. They tell you what else is going on. And they introduced characters like Wireless before she was on the show.

Heroes is original, it's not an adaptation of anything.

Overheal

'Scuse me: whats Death Note?

EDIT: just wiki'd it...brilliant has nothing to do with Heroes though I somehow got my hopes up slightly.

iguana

Ivan wrote:

Hiro's father was the one that gave Claire to Mr Bennet, therefore either he used to be a part of the organisation and has since left or he is still part of the organisation...

Personally, I think he is still part of it. I reckon Mrs. Petrelli, (and possibly Mr. Petrelli) Linderman and Hiro's dad set out to create the company.

I believe Simone's father was involved as the Deavueax was the setting for Claire being handed to Bennett. I also wouldn't be completely surprised if he showed up again as it is possible that Linderman healed his illness. Come to think of it it was ultimately Linderman who took Simone's body so if she wasn't actually dead when they took her she could have been healed. - Though I'm pretty sure she was actually dead.

I'm not sure Mrs Petrelli is actually working toward the same end as Linderman. She does appear to have had the Haitian working against the company to her own ends. I think she is pretending to go along with him, but she has her own agenda - at least as far as her family is concerned.

Overheal

I still dont expect Heroes to do any of that crap: reviving dead characters. Its doing fine without any of that crap. Granted its meant to be a living comic book but television won't stand for it

Ben Reilly.....pfft.

Raphael

Overheal wrote:

I still dont expect Heroes to do any of that crap: reviving dead characters. Its doing fine without any of that crap. Granted its meant to be a living comic book but television won't stand for it

Ben Reilly.....pfft.

Just because it's a living comic book doesn't mean it needs to be a living Marvel comic book.

Overheal

thats my point: I don't want them to start coming up and saying "yeah he isnt *actually* dead because we cloned him or anything just as stupid, like faking the old man's death and linderman healing him.

iguana

Overheal wrote:

Granted its meant to be a living comic book but television won't stand for it

Buffy?

Frankiestylee

Raphael wrote:

Just because it's a living comic book doesn't mean it needs to be a living Marvel comic book.

Or DC.

I never did find out what happened after the Death of Superman... other then the fact he somehow came back. Oh, I might wiki it.

Raphael

DC death isn't quite as temporary as Marvel death, but yeah, they do it too...

This is why I mainly read Vertigo comics... *sigh*

Johnny Bitte

Hmm off topic just a tiny little teeny weeney bit.

Who said Linderman took Simones body?
I say forget her Father, there is no mentionin comic or on tv that he had any power or Simone either.

Lets look a Linderman for a sec...
Hes was friends with Mr. Peterlli after the war,
he getw DL and Nikki/Jessica together to produce Mika (How he knew Mika would get the power he got is still a mystery.
At some point went nuts and decided to blow up New York.
And is now brown bread.

I still thine had Mr. Peterilli killed for not liking the plan.

I cant remeber wether it was the show or comic but one said Mr. Peterilli had a power.

So that is him, Linderman and Hiro s dad in the original team.

Did the invisible guy mention anything about been part of it?

Frankiestylee

Forgiveness please



I don't think you can completely forget Simone's Dad, most of the important scenes seemed to have occured on that rooftop, that's not just a coincidence.

Agamemnon

The_Goose135 wrote:

Lets look a Linderman for a sec...
Hes was friends with Mr. Peterlli after the war,
he getw DL and Nikki/Jessica together to produce Mika (How he knew Mika would get the power he got is still a mystery.

I doubt Linderman could predict what kind of power Micah would have. From what we've seen so far, the ability someone develops seems unrelated to the abilities of their parents. DL could phase and Nikki/Jessica has super-strength - neither of which are similar powers to Micah's cyberpathy. Claire can regenerate but her father can fly and her mother's pyrokinetic. Again, no similarity (but Claire definitely got her hotness from her mother).

Linderman was lucky that Micah developed a power that would come in useful for rigging an election. This show is full of surprises though so maybe we'll find out that is possible to breed a kid with specific powers, maybe with the help of genetic engineering.

I cant remeber wether it was the show or comic but one said Mr. Peterilli had a power.

So that is him, Linderman and Hiro s dad in the original team.

Did the invisible guy mention anything about been part of it?

Don't think he did, he seems a bit younger than the rest. He probably wasn't with the Company long when Bennet first met him.

MikeHoncho

Linderman engineered events so that Micah would be born as he knew he would need him to execute his plan. He knew that IF nicki and DL had a child he would be a technopath because he had seen it in the paintings. Linderman still needed to engineer everything so that his plan could come about he just had the paintings to help him to know what to do.

Frankiestylee

Hang on, how old is Micah? Like 12 or 13 or something? I don't know why but I doubt Isaacs been cranking out paintings for 16 odd years. If we're going to go down that line at all then maybe it was a Mama Patrelli vision or something else.

MikeHoncho

Frankiestylee wrote:

Hang on, how old is Micah? Like 12 or 13 or something? I don't know why but I doubt Isaacs been cranking out paintings for 16 odd years. If we're going to go down that line at all then maybe it was a Mama Patrelli vision or something else.

Isaacs paintings werent the only ones that Linderman had. I got the impresion there had been others before Isaac with the same ability. Remember when Isaac was in Lindermans gallery he listed off a load of stlyes of painting that Linderman had (Renaisance etc). It has never been stated that every heroes power is unique.

Johnny Bitte

Frankiestylee wrote:

Hang on, how old is Micah? Like 12 or 13 or something? I don't know why but I doubt Isaacs been cranking out paintings for 16 odd years. If we're going to go down that line at all then maybe it was a Mama Patrelli vision or something else.

Exactly,
Linderman would not have brought Nikki and DL together to produce a child if he didnt know he would have Mica's power. So he must have but how?

Isaac painted Nikki and DL getting it on and Micas controlling an ATM???

He must have had some way of working out that if the two did have a child it would have Mica's power.

I think the building is just that, a building.
I know it appears a lot but I dont think for any other reason than its convienent.

This Hereos: Origins thing, I wonder will that be about these old Heroes?

Enemy Of Fate

But it showed us in the comics that Peter/Nathan's dad didn't have any special powers, so unless he somehow gained them from say his wife or something (which doesn't exatly make sense) he shouldn't have been one of the original group of heroes.

Raphael

Or they hadn;t manifested at that stage.

And as far as I've heard Heroes: Origins is stand alone one shots about new characters, the most popular of which gets added to the main line up.

Johnny Bitte

Holy crap Simones dad did have a power and was part of the original heroes,

Mark Hamill

agamemnon wrote:

I doubt Linderman could predict what kind of power Micah would have. From what we've seen so far, the ability someone develops seems unrelated to the abilities of their parents. DL could phase and Nikki/Jessica has super-strength - neither of which are similar powers to Micah's cyberpathy. Claire can regenerate but her father can fly and her mother's pyrokinetic. Again, no similarity (but Claire definitely got her hotness from her mother).

Linderman was lucky that Micah developed a power that would come in useful for rigging an election. This show is full of surprises though so maybe we'll find out that is possible to breed a kid with specific powers, maybe with the help of genetic engineering.

I have a theory: I think that a hero's power is determined by their situations and that at birth they could have any power but something happens to them in their life that makes their body choose one power or another, eg:
1.When Claire was a baby she was in a fire so regeneration would save her;
2.Peter seems to want to emulate his brother (who he thought his mother liked more) and always looked for the "good" in people, possibly giving him his mimic ability;
3.Nathan flew for the first time when that van tried to run him off the street (hence he couldn't fly back down to save his wife);
4.Niki Sanders needed super human strength to be safe from her drunk father,while Jessica used astral projection (or something like it) to send her own consiousness into Nikis body;
5.DL would need the ability to phase through matter to escape prison (don't actually know when the first time was that he used his powers though);
6.Sylar started off as a watch repairer with OCD, so intricately knowing how anything works suits him.

While this doesn't explain all the powers like Isaacs, or Hiro's it might explain how Linderman was able to arrange Micah's birth and powers.
(Of course he may have just genetically engineered it, but I like my way better)

Mahatma coat

I think yer on the right track, but its not a choice for the heros, 'its an evolutionary imperative' all the people listed manifested their powers when they needed them to save their lives so its automatic and determined geneticaly atbirth

DL's first manifestation was in the comic

Hiro is the one that gets me tho, he seems to have known allalong what his power was and activley worked on it

Queen o'te Hill

Sorry to butt in but I was stalking Milo on the internet and came across this...am I reading this right? Please select text .... That Claire Bennet is his neice? Did I miss something? Empathic power mimicry
See details below

Gender Male
Age 26
Occupation Currently unemployed, former hospice nurse
Parents Angela Petrelli (mother), "Dallas" Petrelli (father, deceased)
Siblings Nathan Petrelli (older brother)
Relatives Claire Bennet (niece), Simon Petrelli (nephew), Monty Petrelli (nephew), Heidi Petrelli (sister-in-law)

Faith

How far have you seen?

doonothing

Mahatma coat wrote:

I think yer on the right track, but its not a choice for the heros, 'its an evolutionary imperative' all the people listed manifested their powers when they needed them to save their lives so its automatic and determined geneticaly atbirth

DL's first manifestation was in the comic

Hiro is the one that gets me tho, he seems to have known allalong what his power was and activley worked on it

maybe it manifested for him in the same way as for the rest, out of necessity.
i doubt evolution knows whether it was a life or death situation, sheer force of will seems to activate the powers. well thats the active power, the passive powers just seem to come and go really... dunno bout them