DTT Trial - List of channels available

nava

Hi



Should we start a new thread to let people know what channels can other people see.


I can see.

I have the Humax HDCI - 20000T
And a One For All Indoor Antenna

Tv: 15

Rte 1
RTE 2
TV 3
TG4
Channel 6
CBBC test
Cbeebies test
BBC 3 Test
BBC4 Test
BBC News24 test
Sky News
Sky Sports 1
Extreme Sports
UK TV History
Mpeg 4 Test Sound only

Radio: 6

RTE Radio 1
RTE 2FM
RTE Lyric FM
RTE Radio Na Gael
TODAY FM
RNE Radio one AM


Based in Old Bawn area Dublin 24

Pansy Potter

But can you actually see all then TV channels? Are all but the 4 home channels not scrambled?

Mountjoy Mugger

All but four are scrambled, unless you've got the Humax HDCI - 20000T and CAM card, which the original poster has.

nava

Hi

Yes I can see allthe channels

I got all the equipment (including internal aerial "oneforall" brand) after e-mailing Paula got the e-mail on the www.dcmnr.gov.ie

Regards

Pal

Mountjoy Mugger wrote:

All but four are scrambled, unless you've got the Humax HDCI - 20000T and CAM card, which the original poster has.

that's very naughty

watty

Maybe he is on the trial?

nava

yes,

I'm in some kind trial, but not officially with Amarach, what they said when I collected my box fromdcmnr was that they might call me back in a few weeks/months to see what I think

Pal

aha.

thanks for explanation.

I must investigate more

VERYinterested

nava wrote:

Hi



Should we start a new thread to let people know what channels can other people see.


I can see.

I have the Humax HDCI - 20000T
And a One For All Indoor Antenna

Tv: 15

Rte 1
RTE 2
TV 3
TG4
Channel 6
CBBC test
Cbeebies test
BBC 3 Test
BBC4 Test
BBC News24 test
Sky News
Sky Sports 1
Extreme Sports
UK TV History
Mpeg 4 Test Sound only

Radio: 6

RTE Radio 1
RTE 2FM
RTE Lyric FM
RTE Radio Na Gael
TODAY FM
RNE Radio one AM


Based in Old Bawn area Dublin 24

Just did a scan and the following place names have been added on Radio, all mute saying 'This channel is scrambled or not available'

Newstalk 106 - 108
Dublin's 98fm
Spin 1038
East Coast FM
Classic Rock
Spin As Gaeilge
DAP Al 80's
Mocha Smooth hits with a kick


These channels vary a bit from those carried on DAB radio.

nava

VERYinterested wrote:

Just did a scan and the following place names have been added on Radio, all mute saying 'This channel is scrambled or not available'

Newstalk 106 - 108
Dublin's 98fm
Spin 1038
East Coast FM
Classic Rock
Spin As Gaeilge
DAP Al 80's
Mocha Smooth hits with a kick


These channels vary a bit from those carried on DAB radio.

Hi

yes same as in mine, they were only added over the last couple of days.

Regards

L1011

Spin As Gaelige ???
Now THATS a scary thought!

Charles Slane

Heh heh... Spin as Bearla is scary enough as it is....

lucernarian

Channels 63/64 have fired up. I went to turn off the set top box at 1 am last night, when I saw new channels in the EPG. They were called SD Test 1 and HD Test 1. When I switched to the HD test channel, there was a program on from the BBC's HD preview channel.

We don't have a HDTV yet so I quickly turned it over to ensure that the HD signal wouldn't damage a standard widescreen panasonic CRT. I then figured that it should be grand, even if the HD signal was being broadcast through an ordinary scart lead. But when I turned back to it 10 minutes later, only sound was left. On the SD channel, there was only a sound output, from what I can tell.

This morning, the SD channel has gone from the Mux on channel 63 (Not sure what the story is on the Three rock equivalent at Ch 64) and the HD channel is outputting no sound or video.

From the 2 seconds that I saw the HD picture, even though it was an SD screen, I could see the improvement in quality.

Btw: on the trial boxes, the SD channel was at 18 and the HD channel is at 20.

watty

You don't get HD on a SCART ever. It's downsampled to SD by the box.

Using an HD camera/source downsampled to SD at the studio and transmitted will give the same quality.

It can be proven that a 1440 x 1152 image (HD is not as many lines) downsampled at studio to SD prior to transmission at 720x 576 will better quality than an SD source and comparable quality to 1440 x720 lower quality "HD", which is why all European HD is 1920x1080, the 1440x720 used by USA sport is simply not a good enough impovement for 576 line PAL. The USA regular TV is 30% worse or more worse than PAL at 480 lines and less analogue horizontal resolution (< 250 optical lines approx 500 horizontal pixels, square pixel digital NTSC is 640x480)

lucernarian

This is completely off topic, but is an interleaved picture good for sports? I would've thought 50Hz interleaved would leave things a little blurry.

Charles Slane

VERYinterested wrote:

Just did a scan and the following place names have been added on Radio, all mute saying 'This channel is scrambled or not available'

Newstalk 106 - 108
Dublin's 98fm
Spin 1038
East Coast FM
Classic Rock
Spin As Gaeilge
DAP Al 80's
Mocha Smooth hits with a kick


These channels vary a bit from those carried on DAB radio.

These channels are all now available unscrambled.

Charles Slane

They're off at the moment.

East Coast FM and Classic Rock were broadcasting the same output, as were Spin and Spin as Gaelige.

DAP Al 80's (Any relation to Al Jazeera) sounded very clear and powerful. East Coast FM sounded FM hissy...

I guess they'll reappear in the near future.

L1011

Off as in blank carriers (or encrypted) or off as in dropped from the Mux?

watty

To_be_confirmed wrote:

This is completely off topic, but is an interleaved picture good for sports? I would've thought 50Hz interleaved would leave things a little blurry.

The USA is 30i which is rubbish for film transfers, you get comb artifacts from 3:2 pull down.

In theory the 720p is better for movement than 1080i as the USA 60p has no interlace. It alows artifact free film transfer.

But the improvement is probably negated by response time of CRT phosphors and LCD scan times.


720p is a big improvement from 480i, also the US uses 860x 480p for digital.

720p is not a big improvement for 576i (25fps Europe), so the best compromise for Europe is 1080i (25fps) not 720p (50fps).

1080p will not be used (maybe ever on broadcast) as it is twice the spectrum/bandwidth/data and adds nothing for Film transfer or normal TV.

1080p DVD is more use for USA (3:2 artifact on 1080i30). We don't get an Film to "PAL" artifact so 1080p50 has NO advantage over 1080i25 for DVDs here.

720p is almost the same data rate as 1080i due to the 1/2 resolution.

Of course if your screen is really 1366x768 you can't see the real quality of 1080i

Charles Slane

MYOB wrote:

Off as in blank carriers (or encrypted) or off as in dropped from the Mux?

Off as in dropped off the mux - no placeholders or encrypted channels. I reckon they'll be back before too long though.

flogen

Updated the channels and flicked it onto the HD Test - am just hearing a high-pitched beep (like the one you'd hear on the old test card).

The new radio stations aint working yet either - interested to see what Spin as Gaelige is all about and I hope this means the new RTÉ DAB stations will be put on the system when they're officially launched.

lucernarian

If you select the HD channel and fully power-off the set top box and then turn it back on, you will see a testcard for the HD channell, along with the standard tone.

Cas2007

can they add a like picture for the radio station like have the spin icon while your listening to spin

L1011

Cas2007 wrote:

can they add a like picture for the radio station like have the spin icon while your listening to spin

Only when they decide on a hypermedia format for the system - the box likely supports MHEG5 but nothing else, I'd guess. UK does it, using MHEG5.

The alternative is to transmit the radio station as a TV picture - wasting insane bandwidth.

Mayo Exile

Originally posted by Flogen: Updated the channels and flicked it onto the HD Test

Is this channel 25: "Mpeg 4 Test" ?

flogen

Mayo Exile wrote:

Is this channel 25: "Mpeg 4 Test" ?

No - it's another channel on top of that - you'll see it after you scan for channels in the menu

Mayo Exile

Thanks for that Flogen. Has it just recently appeared on the EPG? Whats the channel number? Hopefully its coming from Clermont Carn as well, not just 3R!

Mountjoy Mugger

It's Channel 20.

Mayo Exile

Ok. Above posts indicate a test card can be received if you power trial box off and on. Is this test card in actual HD? If it is, is it 720p, 1080i etc?

Mountjoy Mugger

It's in HD.

The signal goes in to my TV at 1080i as that's the maximim on my Panny, but there is a button on the remote that seems to allow you change the resoution to either 576p or 760p. No real testing of that I suppose until we see a broadcast.

I've noticed that by switching my CAM to slot one (the top one) the test card seems to be there all the time. When I had the CAM in the lower slot, I'd lose the test card after switching to a different channel. I would still hear the high pitched tone however.

Mayo Exile

Thanks for that MM! You know when you change channel, does it actually say what video resolution it's broadcasting in? Every other channel indicates as being output in 576i on the initial onscreen graphic. Also see this when you press "i" on the remote. Have mine connected by component video at the moment so my tv automatically switches to 576p.

Mountjoy Mugger

It shows it as 1080i no matter what setting is used.

However. when I click on the info on the TV remote it tells me it's inputting at 760p.

EDIT: I've my input set at 760p instead of 1080i. I presume the info off the TV remote is more accurate.

Mayo Exile

Originally posted by Mountjoy Mugger: I presume the info off the TV remote is more accurate.

I think so. Are you sure its 760p? I thought it would be either 720p or 1080i as you can only cycle through 576p/720p/1080i with the "v" button on the zapper.

Mountjoy Mugger

My mistake. 720p, of course.

Mayo Exile

Did rescan on box. "HD Test 1" now stored at position 20. Onscreen info now has a HD indicator, video resolution given as 1080i. Also a HD indicator visible on box's own screen. Can definitely notice difference on the test card when flicking from 576p to 1080i. Quite sharper me thinks, even on a 23" LCD screen! Looking forward to a real test! (Leinster Football Final in July?). Warning though: my box seemed to lock/freeze completely when changing down a channel from "HD Test 1". Had to power off the box altogether to get it going again. Anyone else notice this?:(

Originally posted by Flogen: The new radio stations aint working yet either

Yes. Same from Clermont Carn too at the moment. When selected, all you get is a "The channel is scrambled or not available" message.

VERYinterested

Mayo Exile wrote:

Warning though: my box seemed to lock/freeze completely when changing down a channel from "HD Test 1". Had to power off the box altogether to get it going again. Anyone else notice this?:(

Yes I have experienced this also, Mountjoy Mugger suggested putting the CAM in the upper slot, but it still froze on me a couple of times after I switched it, but it did improve the situation. BBC 4 seems to have disappeared since yesterday, only blackscreen now, despite the fact that it should be on air from 7pm.

lucernarian

The box has frozen for me a few times when I stopped briefly on the HD channel and then moved back to RTÉ 1. It never froze on the mpeg 4 trial channel, only the 2 mpeg2 channels nearest to the HD channel.

BBC 4 has also stopped working here. No message is displayed. I'll try in the morning to see if BBC 4 is working from Three Rock instead of CC.

I find the EPG is a bit sporadic. Sometimes the current program would have full info broadcast on it, along with the next few programs. Sometimes the odd programme slot (either now or in the next programmes) has no title and has a few words of the description and then it stops.

There is a definite lag when accessing the encrypted channels, but even the ordinary channels are still not quite as fast in changing as the Wharfedale box is.

Mayo Exile

Yes, switched CAM to upper slot too. Flicking back to and from HD channel, box seemed ok tonight. Also picture vanished last night, tone remained though even with CAM in upper slot. Tonight though, both HD picture and tone still there when changing to and back from other channels. Maybe its all part of the test with these changing circumstances? BBC4 back on tonight as well. No action at all though from those new radio stations.

Still no EPG info for Sky News and Sky Sports 1, also BBC3 broadcasting in proper 16:9 ratio at the moment.

Lpfsox

Hi folks, looking for some help please.

I have a CAM for the trial which I'm using in the CI slot on my Samsung LE32R74BDX LCD TV.

All channels are coming in just fine, but the 4 terrestrial channels (RTE1, RTE2, TV3 and TG4) all switch to a "Scrambled Channel" message after about 30 seconds of viewing. Switching to another channel and back again resolves the issue, but only for another 30 seconds or so. The encrypted channels all come in with no problems.

I have no picture or sound on Channel 20, the HD1 Test channel - how do I get the testcard picture up?

Can anybody help with the problem with the 4 terrestrial channels. They're definitely not being scrambled for the trial, in any case the CAM should overcome that.

Thanks

Mountjoy Mugger

Have you tried using the CAM in the Humax?

It sounds to me like the problem lies with the CI slot on your TV.

Mayo Exile

Ooops! Spoke too soon. Box froze again late last night when changing from the HD to an SD channel. There's no predictable pattern of when it's going to happen but it seems to happen the most when you try to change down a channel from HD Test 1.

VERYinterested

Snap, same thing with mine, when changing down from MPEG test channel it freezes, then it goes through a spate where it works ok. I'll just have to stop flicking channels!! I suppose we're all hoping that something will be broadcast on the HD Test other than a test card, like a programme, go on 5 minutes will do, just let us know in advance so we can stop hopping!

Valentia

It's all very flakey. Move from the HD channel and back and the test card is gone, move from the HD and the whole thing freezes. This happened before the HD channel appeared when moving from the mpeg4 test channel.

Overall the machine is dog slow to respond to anything. If it was a computer (which it is of course) I would say it is like running Vista on a P III with 256Mb of ram.

Lpfsox

Mountjoy Mugger wrote:

Have you tried using the CAM in the Humax?

It sounds to me like the problem lies with the CI slot on your TV.

I don't have a humax (or any other stb) - just the CAM. Still doesn't make sense though if I can get all the other channels (Sky Sports, History Channel, BBC 3 & 4 etc) just fine though.

Thanks for the reply though.

VERYinterested

Additional stations on air include Newstalk, 98FM, Spin 103.8, East Coast (bit dodgy reception) these are currently active along with the RTE's and Today FM that were already active. No sign of Classic Rock and Spin as Gaeilge!

Charles Slane

No Dap All 80's or Mocha either. And wow, East Coast sounds terrible!

L1011

Signal gone very weak on the non-RTE muxes for me, but I can get the carriers - new stations don't seem to be encrypted?

Zaphod

Lpfsox wrote:

Hi folks, looking for some help please.

I have a CAM for the trial which I'm using in the CI slot on my Samsung LE32R74BDX LCD TV.

All channels are coming in just fine, but the 4 terrestrial channels (RTE1, RTE2, TV3 and TG4) all switch to a "Scrambled Channel" message after about 30 seconds of viewing. Switching to another channel and back again resolves the issue, but only for another 30 seconds or so. The encrypted channels all come in with no problems.

I have no picture or sound on Channel 20, the HD1 Test channel - how do I get the testcard picture up?

Can anybody help with the problem with the 4 terrestrial channels. They're definitely not being scrambled for the trial, in any case the CAM should overcome that.

Thanks

Either the 4 channels are tagged as being encrypted when they actually aren't, or there is some bug in the Samsung's DVB-T tuner with an incompatability with the CAM. If you remove the CAM, do you still have the same problem?

The Samsung does not support MPEG4, so you've no hope of seeing the HD testcard.

And how did you manage to get the CAM (and card) for the trial??

musa

VERYinterested wrote:

Just did a scan and the following place names have been added on Radio, all mute saying 'This channel is scrambled or not available'

Newstalk 106 - 108
Dublin's 98fm
Spin 1038
East Coast FM
Classic Rock
Spin As Gaeilge
DAP Al 80's
Mocha Smooth hits with a kick


These channels vary a bit from those carried on DAB radio.

In am hearing the new radio stations in the clear on a standard digital (Annalong Co.Down)television,re HD what happened 1250 lines? 25 years ago.

Mayo Exile

Newstalk 106 - 108
Dublin's 98fm
Spin 1038
East Coast FM
Classic Rock
Spin As Gaeilge
DAP Al 80's
Mocha Smooth hits with a kick

Getting the top four last night. Bottom four indicate as being scrambled/not available.

Lpfsox

Zaphod wrote:

Either the 4 channels are tagged as being encrypted when they actually aren't, or there is some bug in the Samsung's DVB-T tuner with an incompatability with the CAM. If you remove the CAM, do you still have the same problem?

The Samsung does not support MPEG4, so you've no hope of seeing the HD testcard.

And how did you manage to get the CAM (and card) for the trial??

Thanks for the advice, will try getting my paws on a STB and give that a whirl. Interesting about the Sammy not supporting MPEG4 - never knew that one.