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Should we get away from these?

  • 13-05-2007 11:19pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭


    Two questions really, should we get away from these against unknowns, and what line would you take in this situation..

    I've been tilting and spewing chips recently, I'm on a run of shockingly bad variance, and that combined with really bad play on my part has cost me a fortune this month.

    I've been stacked 10 times in the last 3 days by players hitting 1 or 2 card outs on the river, it's almost enough to make me quit.

    Anyway the hands in question are below, all advice, criticism and abuse welcomed!

    GAME #550295964: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50
    Table Peshkopi
    Seat 1: button ($56.35 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 3: sb ($50.25 in chips)
    Seat 5: bb ($76.30 in chips)
    Seat 6: HERO ($46.35 in chips)
    Seat 8: utg+1($14.90 in chips)
    Seat 10: Villain($52.55 in chips)
    sb: Post SB $0.25
    bb: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [D10 H10]
    Dealt to Villain [CQ HK]
    HERO: Raise $2.00
    utg+1: Fold
    Villain: Call $2.00
    button: Call $2.00
    sb: Fold
    bb: Call $1.50
    *** FLOP *** [S10 SA CJ]
    bb: Check
    HERO: Bet $5.00
    Villain: Raise $20.00
    button: Fold
    BB: Fold
    HERO: Allin $39.35
    Villain: Call $24.35
    *** TURN *** [D5]
    *** RIVER *** [CK]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $93.95 Rake $3.00
    Villain: wins $93.95

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    GAME #550330844: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50
    Table Bossangoa
    Seat 1: Co ($49.14 in chips)
    Seat 5: HERO ($49.91 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 6: sb ($73.95 in chips)
    Seat 8: Villain ($28.35 in chips)
    Seat 10: UTG ($19.50 in chips)
    SB: Post SB $0.25
    Villain: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [HA DK]
    Dealt to Villain [SA CA]
    utg: Fold
    co: Call $0.50
    HERO: Raise $2.50
    sb: Fold
    Villain: Call $2.00
    co: Fold
    *** FLOP *** [CK S8 S9]
    Villain: Bet $2.50
    Hero: Raise $7.00
    Villain: Call $4.50
    *** TURN *** [H2]
    Villain: Check
    Hero: Bet $19.00
    Villain: Allin $18.85
    *** RIVER *** [C8]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $54.75 Rake $2.85
    Villain: wins $54.60

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    GAME #550324376: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50
    Table Bossangoa
    Seat 1: utg ($44.99 in chips)
    Seat 3: utg+1($31.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: HERO ($65.91 in chips)
    Seat 6: Villain ($46.50 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 8: SB ($38.05 in chips)
    Seat 10: bb($7.70 in chips)
    sb: Post SB $0.25
    bb: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [CA HA]
    utg: Call $0.50
    utg+1: Fold
    HERO: Raise $2.50
    VILLAIN: Call $2.50
    SB: Fold
    BB: Fold
    UTg: Fold
    *** FLOP *** [D2 D10 D9]
    HERO: Bet $6.00
    Villain: Raise $12.00
    HERO: Call $6.00
    *** TURN *** [C8]
    HERO: Check
    Villain: Allin $32.00
    HERO: ???

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    GAME #550043154: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50
    Table Columbia City�
    Seat 1: HERO ($60.25 in chips)
    Seat 5: button ($63.22 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 10: Villain ($154.23 in chips)
    Villain: Post SB $0.25
    HERO: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [SK DK]
    Dealt to Villain [H10 C10]
    button: Fold
    Villain: Raise $2.25
    Hero: Raise $6.00
    Villain: Call $4.00
    *** FLOP *** [S2 D10 H4]
    Villain: Check
    Hero: Bet $10.00
    Villain: Call $10.00
    *** TURN *** [D9]
    Villain: Check
    HERO: Allin $43.75
    Villain: Call $43.75
    *** RIVER *** [D3]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $118.50 Rake $2.00
    Villain: wins $118.50

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    GAME #549531439: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50
    Table Clay City
    Seat 1: Villain ($50.00 in chips)
    Seat 3: button($20.25 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 5: HERO($50.50 in chips)
    Seat 6: bb ($47.65 in chips)
    Seat 10: utg ($35.75 in chips)
    HERO: Post SB $0.25
    BB: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Villain [CA C2]
    Dealt to HERO [DK SK]
    utg: Call $0.50
    Villain: Raise $2.00
    button: Fold
    HERO: Raise $5.00
    bb: Fold
    utg: Fold
    Villain: Call $3.25
    *** FLOP *** [D2 H2 HQ]
    HERO: Bet $8.00
    Villain: Call $8.00
    *** TURN *** [H4]
    HERO: Allin $37.25
    Villain: Allin $36.75
    *** RIVER *** [H3]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $98.50 Rake $3.00
    Villain: wins $98.00


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    #1 more on flop first time, fine
    #2 fine
    #3 I would prob fold to this one
    #4 I would bet less on the flop and turn for value vs worse hands, but def stack off
    #5 3 bet more, postflop is fine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    On 5, its the all-in on turn not a bit drastic? As probaly the only hands calling are ones that have you beaten. Would AQ call that turn bet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Iago


    valor wrote:
    #3 I would prob fold to this one

    #5 3 bet more, postflop is fine

    #3 I did fold to the turn bet, I think he's bluffing here pretty much never. My guess is he's either flopped the flush or turned the straight with a flush draw.

    #5 I would normally re-raise to $6-$7 here. Because we were 3 handed I felt his raising range was huge but he'd fold a lot of hands I'm miles ahead of if I made it $7 to go. Do you think my 3 bet should have been standard $6.5-$7 here regardless?
    On 5, its the all-in on turn not a bit drastic? As probaly the only hands calling are ones that have you beaten. Would AQ call that turn bet?

    There's $27.50 in the pot after the flop. The turn brings a possible flush or gutshot draw into play as well. I figured any bet I make here commits me to the hand, so if he's drawing I might as well get all my chips in now, no? If he's holding AQ I think he calls here, especially if he has the Ah..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭HiCloy


    I'd fold 3 to his very strong line and stack off in the other 4 without any info. I'd raise more PF in 5.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    I'd raise 4 and 5 more preflop


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    Hand 1:
    I think you have to be willing to get it in with the set in this situation even thoug its probably the worst flop having made your set. The flop bet is a little small but does the same thing really. I would have played it the same.

    Hand 2:
    I would raise a little more on the flop making it 10 is really going to make him define how strong his hand is as he is calling 4.50 into a pot of 14.75 which could get called by a few hands. Making it 10 means he is having to call another 7.50 its a pretty drawy flop so make them pay if thats what they have. If he calls the raise I might start to think that TPTK might not be enough and check behind on the turn.

    Hand 3:
    Not going to be many times its easier to fold AA!

    Hand 4:
    What is your history with the villain? I'm not a big fan of re-raising TT, even with position, unless you know they are going to call it with a hand is worse than a flip against you or is going to stack off if you do make your set. The flop is perfect for you so stacking off is a must. What did they have to beat you though??? It seems they went a bit nuts calling a push with a draw?

    Hand 5:
    Regardless of them betting light I think you still need to make it a bigger bet pre-flop. You get to the stage where he thinks you will be re-raising light because he knows that you think he is raising light! a 22Q flop looks pretty good for KK I think shoving the turn is fine here. If the villain isn't too tricky you can check to him as they are unlikely to bet without something that beats an over pair in fear of being check/raised.


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