What do you think of this issue

User45701

I had argument with friends over what to do when a gardai assaults you 2 of my friends claim to have been hit by a gardai.

The first was walking home very drunk the gardai pulled up and asked are you drunk? my friend replied "what do you think?" (which is understandble because when you look at a very drunk person from a distance you know there drunk so in my view the gardais question was irrelavent anyway the Gardai hit him with butt of his torch then drives away.

I also hear of our police force torturing people (torture - as in hitting someone one or more "dig" when they are handcuffed)

What is the realities of this? Do we live in a country where our police force is a failure?

I have only had 3 major encounters with the gardai, 2 of them gardai failures and one of them a success

1 There was 2 gardai on there own in a riot van who would not get out when there where 3 or 4 scunbags attacking one of our mates outside a chipper

2.Was drunk in a pub and i was told i could not go upstairs by a female bar person and i thought that was odd (because others where allowed) so i went to look for the manager. Found the manager and then asked him is upstairs closed yet. He said no so i went to go upstairs and then was told by 3 bouncers that i have to leave the pub for groping a female staff member. Being accused of that is quite a big thing and very offensive, anyway the local gardai station would not do anything about it.

3. There one and only success.

One of my friends went off to get food and came back after being hopped on (because he had no smokes) so as one can understand being under 18 drunk and a large amount of scumbags looking to start something well they did and what happened next was they attacked the front entrance by throwing plant pots at the window. Anyway after the conflict ended about 1 hour later even tho none of us called the gardai they arrived, entered the house and asked a was everyone alright. We where observably under 18, drunk but the gardai understood that we where simply having a few drinks and where assaulted when one of us tried to buy food. One the gardai realised everything was fine with us they left. I consider this a gardai success because noone was hurt and the gardai where quite reasonable

So 2 failures and 1 success, ive been telling myself for years if the gardai fail me a 3rd time that i would become responsible for my own safty.

So my question is how many of you believe that our police officers break laws themselves.
What about that big ol thing on the adrian kenedy phone show a few weeks back about the guy who has 2 gardai mates who both did coke at a party and he rang the phone show asking the peoples advice, to help him decide if he should report them.

DarkJager

The Gardai can be very heavy handed, especially with anyone they consider to be drunk and causing a nuisance (not specifically harming anyone, but just a nuisance). In my eyes, and its probably not the same in the view of the courts, but if the gardai find it okay to overdo a beating, then it should be legal to act in self defense. If I was attacked by a Garda for no reason, I'd have no second thoughts about hitting him a few slaps back.

keizer

http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/

User45701

what was explained to me is that being that drunk you are actually in shock and the gardai will leave before you have a chance to laucnh a retallitory strike

sonners

with regard to your friend being obviously drunk, the Gardai still have ask incase his intoxicated state is a result of medication. They can be done for slander if they say your drunk when in reality your heavily medicated, bouncers, etc have to do the same.

I've seen Gard's hitting people before with there torches, usually to calm down a fight and get people to move off/go home. I would never recommend hitting them back (in public especially) cause hitting an officer is alot more serious than hitting Joe Soap on the street.

humanji

User45701 wrote:

I also hear of our police force torturing people (torture - as in hitting someone one or more "dig" when they are handcuffed)

Are you trying to sensationalise this, are do you just not know what the word torture means?

As for your friend being hit, you also have to take into account that peoples recollection of their drunken escapades can be pretty far from what happened, even when you aren't that drunk. Your friend may remember being slightly sarcy, but in reality, he could of been quite abusive (I know my memory is like that ). But this hardly excuses the cop hitting him, though.

cold_filter

I hit a cop back myself, myself and the GF were walking down grafton street, A van pulled up and 3 cops got out and pushed my GF to the ground saying she was selling drugs, (which she wasnt) anyway i stood there stupified for a few seconds had only had 2 pints cos i had a match the next day (model professional) anyway one of the cops was standing there and i said we had been at such a place all night with friends and she doesnt even smoke! Honestly i probably got a bit up in his face but he clocked me a great punch, I have done karate and ninjitsu for a few years so i sent him packing but then the 2 others let go off my gf and came for me one was pretty big the other was about my size anyway, they put me in the van and took me to pearse and tbh i was expecting a good hiding in the cells!!! the garda came and apologised for making the first blow etc shook hands and away i went.

One a not so positive not a lad i knew in school got kicked around dun laoghaire garda station for given cheek to a cop and hitting him back in self defense, got a nice claim out if it

PeakOutput

my grandad was a garda but if they hit me for no reason id still do my best to nail the prick to the wall

having said that 99% of the time i believe the gardai are completely justified being heavy handed......especially with drunk people the state of the people they have to deal with in town day in day out is ridicolous I am sure id act the same in the gardas position

tallus

PeakOutput wrote:

my grandad was a garda but if they hit me for no reason id still do my best to nail the prick to the wall

having said that 99% of the time i believe the gardai are completely justified being heavy handed......especially with drunk people the state of the people they have to deal with in town day in day out is ridicolous I am sure id act the same in the gardas position

I'd agree with this in part, they have to deal with the dregs of society a lot of the time, not a job I'd do myself.

PeakOutput

if i was a garda and i was working in town i reckon you would have to take on the ask questions later strategy...............

I hit a cop back myself, myself and the GF were walking down grafton street, A van pulled up and 3 cops got out and pushed my GF to the ground saying she <snip> was pretty big the other was about my size anyway, they put me in the van and took me to pearse and tbh i was expecting a good hiding in the cells!!! the garda came and apologised for making the first blow etc shook hands and away i went.

for example if for arguments sake your g/f was a drug dealer and they simply walked up and said excuse me gardai are you selling drugs she would of been off like a light...........im not sayin they did the right thing you just have to see were they are coming...........and on the plus side you got to hit a garda with no reprocussions not many can say that

PeakOutput

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbWgM9NvTik

this is what they are dealing with and someone in the background moaning "they are in a position of power" bollox the guy giving the commentary sounds like a **** but he is right

muppetkiller

Jesus that Garda deserves a medal putting up with those scumbags on his own for so long.

Seth Brundle

User45701 wrote:

So my question is how many of you believe that our police officers break laws themselves.

Ask the families of:
John Moloney
Terence Wheelock
Brian Rossiter
...

Zapp Brannigan

OP the pub where you weren't allowed upstairs, didnt happent to be a pub in Blanchardstown did it?

As for Gardai, they do a good job the odd ones can get a bit heavy handed, un-neccesarily so at times.

Judt

Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. Question you have to ask yourself is: Do we want them to be able to batter a scumbag for the price of perhaps getting a slap yourself for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or do we ban it entirely, so the gardai can only be hands-on in very clear-cut situations?

Savman

Shoulda known it was nearly time for the weekly Garda thread.

humanji

Savman wrote:

Shoulda known it was nearly time for the weekly Garda thread.

I believe you mean bi-weekly thread!

User45701

humanji wrote:

Are you trying to sensationalise this, are do you just not know what the word torture means?.

I wasent quite trying to sensantionalise it, but if you are restrained and asked a question and refusual to answer results in assualt thats pretty much the defination of tortue

humanji wrote:

As for your friend being hit, you also have to take into account that peoples recollection of their drunken escapades can be pretty far from what happened, even when you aren't that drunk. Your friend may remember being slightly sarcy, but in reality, he could of been quite abusive (I know my memory is like that ). But this hardly excuses the cop hitting him, though.

Agreed

PeakOutput wrote:

my grandad was a garda but if they hit me for no reason id still do my best to nail the prick to the wall

having said that 99% of the time i believe the gardai are completely justified being heavy handed......especially with drunk people the state of the people they have to deal with in town day in day out is ridicolous I am sure id act the same in the gardas position

Very true, but the gardai should not assume all drunks and agressive and require the use of force, just like we should not assume all "scumbags" are violent

PeakOutput wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbWgM9NvTik

this is what they are dealing with and someone in the background moaning "they are in a position of power" bollox the guy giving the commentary sounds like a **** but he is right

In work dont have speakers ill look at that later

Slurms wrote:

OP the pub where you weren't allowed upstairs, didnt happent to be a pub in Blanchardstown did it?

As for Gardai, they do a good job the odd ones can get a bit heavy handed, un-neccesarily so at times.

Sry it was some madd place down the country somewhere

Judt wrote:

Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. Question you have to ask yourself is: Do we want them to be able to batter a scumbag for the price of perhaps getting a slap yourself for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or do we ban it entirely, so the gardai can only be hands-on in very clear-cut situations?

Interesting view
I was saying that if a gardai attacked me after it happened i would use all force, say i was up the mountins tresspassing and was on a walk smoking a J and a gardai had a go at me for it, i would do everything i could to get him fired for assualt, even if it means me confessing to tresspassing and posession of an "illigal substance which under closer inspecition turned out to be cannibus ressin".

but to just say **** it it has to happen to one person who does not deserve it so it can happen to 50 people who do deserve it.

Thanks man i think you may have just ended the arguement i was having

Savman wrote:

Shoulda known it was nearly time for the weekly Garda thread.

Well i havent been round to boards recently but it wasent your usual gardai toipic i actually had to try to find a resulation to this arguement and now i have.

Thanks

Wishbone Ash

User45701 wrote:

i actually had to try to find a resulation to this arguement and now i have

You consider the opinions of a few, sometimes biased, posters on After Hours to be a 'resulation' (sic) to your argument! :rolleyes:

Oriel

The word "drunk" comes up a lot in your complaints.
Drink less, and you might see the number of run-ins with the Guards decline.

User45701

Wishbone Ash wrote:

You consider the opinions of a few, sometimes biased, posters on After Hours to be a 'resulation' (sic) to your argument! :rolleyes:

Yes a few posters on A/H because my mates and i couldent reach a compromise and this topic only had about 9 or 10 posts so yes that would be a few, it is a resulation because it is a valid point.

Oriel wrote:

The word "drunk" comes up a lot in your complaints.
Drink less, and you might see the number of run-ins with the Guards decline.

the post was not about me it was about someone else.

PeakOutput

User45701 wrote:

it is a resulation because it is a valid point.

maybe im wrong but i think he was slagging off your spelling