Few questions

ScumLord

I got a manual spring beretta at the toys for big boys show last year and only saw these gas powered ones when I went looking for more pellets so now I want one. I just want to clear one or two things up so that I buy a good one. I want a nice looking one along the lines of a replica.

I was looking on Airsoft-warrior.com (is there a better site for these? I've only came across a few and most seem to lack details for newbies) and some of the pistols say that they have a fixed slide, does that mean they don't have "blowback". Do the electric pistols not do this? The electric ones are very cheep compared to the gas and CO2. Is this a quality thing, do gas ones need to be more robust (metal) because of the blowback mechanism?
I didn't know there where two types of gas gun either whats the difference.

This would be the one I'd like to buy http://www.airsoft-warrior.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3_56&products_id=445 but it's out of stock and just a tad expensive. Really I'd want to spend around £50 -£70, at that price this seems like my only option, what do ye think? http://www.airsoft-warrior.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3_57&products_id=324. I want a good quality gun and may pay a little extra for it.

I noticed the machine guns are fairly cheap to, again is this a quality thing? the use of plastic over metal. Is that kit they have on the main page worth buying?

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If its a beretta your looking for either of thease are a great choice

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-M9-VERTEC-Railed-GBB-METAL-Airsoft-HOPUP-Pistol-NEW_W0QQitemZ270118829103QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/HFC-METAL-Beretta-M190-Special-Force-Airsoft-GBB-Pistol_W0QQitemZ270109435521QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

They dont come with the orange tips either

kdouglas

you can get the hfc m190, which is the same as the beretta you posted for a bit cheaper on ehobbyasia: http://cgi.ebay.com/HFC-METAL-Beretta-M190-Special-Force-Airsoft-GBB-Pistol_W0QQitemZ270109435521QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

although there is a chance you might get charged vat/duty on it when it arrives into ireland.

there is also a cheaper version of the m190 made by Bell on rsov.com for significantly cheaper

main difference between blowback and non-blowback is the action of the slide, a fixed slide is the same as non-blowback. there are a fair few plastic blowback pistols, but my personal preference is for a full metal blowback pistol, just makes more sense as it should be stronger and the action of the slide is very realistic, and just generally cool.

with electric pistols, there are some blowback versions (known as electric blowback or EBB), although ive never used one so cant really say much about them.

some machine guns (AEGs/auto electric gun) are reasonably cheap, my first aeg was a cyma mp5-j, cost me about €130-150 (including battery/charger and shipping), very nice gun and reasonably reliable (i say reasonably because i started taking it apart and upgrading it and ending up messing it up before getting it working again, but it was a learning experience)

my next AEG which i got just recently was a Tokyo Marui P90, which, including an upgrade,battery,charger,2 extra mags and shipping which came to about €400, i also had to pay €100 customs charges on this one, but it was the first thing i've paid customs on, so not too bad.

kdouglas

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If its a beretta your looking for either of thease are a great choice

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-M9-VERTEC-Railed-GBB-METAL-Airsoft-HOPUP-Pistol-NEW_W0QQitemZ270118829103QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/HFC-METAL-Beretta-M190-Special-Force-Airsoft-GBB-Pistol_W0QQitemZ270109435521QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

They dont come with the orange tips either

not to contradict you scope, but i got my hfc m190 from ehobby and it came with an orange tip, but if you specify to them that the orange tip is not required* then they wont put it on, i neglected to do this

*=the orange tip is a requirement for US law

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i see
Never had 2 ask them myself thankfully, but they'l have no problem removing it when ya ask,
Douglas actually i cant remeber is yours still orange are did ya paint/remove it?

CrazyRabbit

Fixed slide does indeed mean that there is no 'blowback'. Most gas pistols are 'blowback' and the electric pistols are a mix.

Remember, with gas pistols you will also need to buy gas. And it's not the easiest thing to get hold off since it has to be shipped by ground mail.

Gas pistols are also slower to reload magazines as you have to add bb's + gas to it. With electric pistols, it is generally quicker to reload magazines, and there is no additional costs other than bb's.

Both varieties come in either full metal, or ABS Plastic versions (very tough plastic)

If you are interesting in playing airsoft, I suggest saving up and buying a full AEG assault rifle (www.rsov.com seem to be quite cheap).

If you are interesting in just shooting targets out your back garden, then an electric pistol (fixed or blowback) will be fine.

If you have any other reason, I would suggest that you not buy an airsoft gun. Sorry, but I always get a little suspicious when someone wants to buy a realistic looking pistol 'replica' as their first (and possibly only) airsoft gun.

kdouglas

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Douglas actually i cant remeber is yours still orange are did ya paint/remove it?

its still more or less orange, the paint wears off very easily and imagine with a bit of nail varnish remover you could take it off completely, havent bothered myself as the orange tip doesnt actually bother me

CrazyRabbit wrote:

Remember, with gas pistols you will also need to buy gas. And it's not the easiest thing to get hold off since it has to be shipped by ground mail.

you can also buy a propane adapter online and get tanks of propane in b&q

o1s1n

The only electric pistols worth buying are the Tokyo Marui g18c AEP or the CYMA clone of it. Both are fixed stock. Everything else is just rubbish. They generally take AA batteries which will be depleted after a couple of mags. The power is terrible.

The two electric pistols are fine are have a good weight to them. Personally I find the lack of a moving slide a huge drawback. Not to mention the noise of the motor when it fires. But I'm just one who's all for the realism...

cherubaul

would Just like to add to o1s1n's post that the DE USP is an excellent example of an AEP. Metal slide gives it a nice weight and I've yet to have problems with mine.

What ever you do don't buy an electric blowback weapon they are god awful spongy trigger, bad battery life, takes nearly a second for it to fire a round and you'd be lucky to get ten feet range.

basically AEP good so the MP7 by well and TM, also the TM and Cyma glock 18c, the TM scorpion and the DE usp M81 (i think its m81 anyway) are all excellent choices.

and remember gas doesnt work on cold days so really from september through to may if you only have a gas gun you have no reliable sidearm.

also I have yet to pay any duty on airsoft items that i have had imported into the country from Hong Kong or anywhere else for that matter and I've had quite alot (my adress is used for three people ordering in bulk once a month). lucky me eh.

o1s1n

cherubaul wrote:

would Just like to add to o1s1n's post that the DE USP is an excellent example of an AEP. Metal slide gives it a nice weight and I've yet to have problems with mine.

I have yet to see or fire one of them myself. Never even heard of it to be honest. You'll have to bring it along to HRTA sometime to give me a look

cherubaul wrote:

basically AEP good so the MP7 by well and TM, also the TM and Cyma glock 18c, the TM scorpion and the DE usp M81 (i think its m81 anyway) are all excellent choices.

I wouldn't put the MP7 and Scorpion into the catagory of AEPs. They're small but they're not exactly pistol sized. More like mini AEGs.

cherubaul wrote:

and remember gas doesnt work on cold days so really from september through to may if you only have a gas gun you have no reliable sidearm.

It doesnt point blank not work. For that to happen it'll have to be a really really cold day. We don't get too many of them over here. It'll be less efficient. You'll get less shorts per gas fill. Will still work in most cases. The only time I've had my mac refuse to work due to temp was last December at night while showing it to someone. To be honest, I don't do much skirmishing in December at night

cherubaul wrote:

also I have yet to pay any duty on airsoft items that i have had imported into the country from Hong Kong or anywhere else for that matter and I've had quite alot (my adress is used for three people ordering in bulk once a month). lucky me eh.

Lucky you indeed! I've only had one order from China myself. Wasn't taxed either. I had a package from the states which wasn't taxed. I DID have to pay UPS charges though. :mad:

kdouglas

o1s1n wrote:

cherubaul wrote:

It doesnt point blank not work. For that to happen it'll have to be a really really cold day. We don't get too many of them over here. It'll be less efficient. You'll get less shorts per gas fill. Will still work in most cases. The only time I've had my mac refuse to work due to temp was last December at night while showing it to someone. To be honest, I don't do much skirmishing in December at night

you can also get winter gas, which afaik is just higher pressure to combat the effects of cold weather

ED E

Just get an AEP or winter!

Wossack

theres a new TM electric pistol too - USP. Looks pretty nice, though not heard anything bout em yet (not looked though)

Voodoomelon

If you're looking for realism, then you can't beat the Western Arms Beretta 92FS.
Western Arms have the sole right to use authentic Beretta engravings, and this is the finest airsoft Beretta you can buy:

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=9234



It's not cheap at $207 shipped to Ireland, but its not far outside your budget either; that comes in at €153/£104.

But its the finest Beretta you can get, i've always wanted one and i'm sure i'll get one eventually. But i've just ordered a brand new €180 metal KSC USP from the states.

o1s1n

Voodoomelon wrote:

If you're looking for realism, then you can't beat the Western Arms Beretta 92FS.
Western Arms have the sole right to use authentic Beretta engravings, and this is the finest airsoft Beretta you can buy:

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=9234



It's not cheap at $207 shipped to Ireland, but its not far outside your budget either; that comes in at €153/£104.

But its the finest Beretta you can get, i've always wanted one and i'm sure i'll get one eventually. But i've just ordered a brand new €180 metal KSC USP from the states.

WOW! That really has a beautiful finish to it.

ED E

Voodoomelon wrote:

If you're looking for realism, then you can't beat the Western Arms Beretta 92FS.
Western Arms have the sole right to use authentic Beretta engravings, and this is the finest airsoft Beretta you can buy:

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=9234



It's not cheap at $207 shipped to Ireland, but its not far outside your budget either; that comes in at €153/£104.

But its the finest Beretta you can get, i've always wanted one and i'm sure i'll get one eventually. But i've just ordered a brand new €180 metal KSC USP from the states.

Dunno, somebodys been braking CopyRight! I have a springer M9 just like that with the exact same Engravings/markings!

EDIT!: Just read the small print. They are liscenced under Western Arms...Does that mean Cybergun.S.A(Whoever they are!) are a sub-company of WA?

ScumLord

Cheers lads I think I'll go for that bell m190, that seems like a great price. Although I might go for that 'HFC' M92 full metal semi and full-auto pistol it looks nice but I have to buy a load of gas and pellets too. Do they not sell the gas though?

Most the shops seem to be in the US so I'll go for the uk shop rsov.com. What kind of shipping time would there be on Asian/Us/UK orders?

All the aeps on that site seem very cheap, around the same price as the handguns or are they just cheep ones. The descriptions and pictures on the site aren't great either.

If you have any other reason, I would suggest that you not buy an airsoft gun. Sorry, but I always get a little suspicious when someone wants to buy a realistic looking pistol 'replica' as their first (and possibly only) airsoft gun.

Relax shaft, I just need something to keep these canvassers off me doorstep, the dogs to old to chase them away these days. Are there many places that do airsoft around the country (like paintball) I'm out in the west.

o1s1n

ScumLord wrote:

Most the shops seem to be in the US so I'll go for the uk shop rsov.com. What kind of shipping time would there be on Asian/Us/UK orders?

RSOV is a Chinese store isnt it? Should take 7 days max I would say.

ScumLord wrote:

Relax shaft, I just need something to keep these canvassers off me doorstep, the dogs to old to chase them away these days. Are there many places that do airsoft around the country (like paintball) I'm out in the west.

There's one in Swords, Dublin called HRTA. The only other is Predator up The North. Airsoft is only getting off the ground in The Republic at the moment. Hopefully we'll have more soon.

Voodoomelon

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

Dunno, somebodys been braking CopyRight! I have a springer M9 just like that with the exact same Engravings/markings!

EDIT!: Just read the small print. They are liscenced under Western Arms...Does that mean Cybergun.S.A(Whoever they are!) are a sub-company of WA?

Not at all. Whatever springer you have, the manufacturer is more than likely breaching copyright.



The Western Arms Beretta has full authentic markings on both sides of the slide and frame. If you look at your springer, you may notice subtle differences, including the Beretta emblem on the grips.

o1s1n

Voodoomelon wrote:

Not at all. Whatever springer you have, the manufacturer is more than likely breaching copyright.



The Western Arms Beretta has full authentic markings on both sides of the slide and frame. If you look at your springer, you may notice subtle differences, including the Beretta emblem on the grips.

It doesn't just stop at springers. Many big airsoft manufactures break copywrite too. Hence markings having to be removed from a lot of AEGs going into America.

ScumLord

Right so if I'm ordering from China I might as well make it a fairly big order to justify the shipping and throw in an aep with a load of pellets. Any recomendations? I might as well get that adapter for the propane but I'll have to order that seperatly from the states won't I? I'd like to have it all arive in one box but what can ya do.

There's one in Swords, Dublin called HRTA. The only other is Predator up The North. Airsoft is only getting off the ground in The Republic at the moment. Hopefully we'll have more soon.

Are those all bring your own equipment, or do you rent it? I've seen pictures of folks at that all dressed up with all the kit I'd assume you don't get all that stuff at the thing.

Well bollox on it anyway I can't get into rsoc today. :mad:

CrazyRabbit

ScumLord wrote:

Right so if I'm ordering from China I might as well make it a fairly big order to justify the shipping and throw in an aep with a load of pellets. Any recomendations? I might as well get that adapter for the propane but I'll have to order that seperatly from the states won't I? I'd like to have it all arive in one box but what can ya do.

Are those all bring your own equipment, or do you rent it? I've seen pictures of folks at that all dressed up with all the kit I'd assume you don't get all that stuff at the thing.

Well bollox on it anyway I can't get into rsoc today. :mad:

You can rent AEG's & masks in HRTA, and Predator, but only Predator offers the combat clothing (it's kinda required up there unless you want to stick out like a sore thumb)

kdouglas

ScumLord wrote:

Right so if I'm ordering from China I might as well make it a fairly big order to justify the shipping and throw in an aep with a load of pellets.

bb's are very heavy to ship, and will increase the shipping cost a lot

ScumLord

Damn that rsoc site, I can't get on it atall, maybe it's just this work connection I'll try again at home. There isn't anywhere else that sells that adapter so I can order the lot at once is there?

Has anyone bought off wolfarmouries.co.uk? They seem awful expensive but have all the gear.

Where do ye buy ye're bbs so?

cherubaul

youre going for the Bell M9 yes.
When you get it will you post to confirm whether or not the Hop up and seals need to be user installed I've heard this but I've not actually seen it for myself.

padmundo

If you're gonna buy from the UK you may aswell buy from a local supplier like www.ballymountfieldsports.com in Ireland. Wolf Armouries are a reliable company but they'll cost you alot.

Hold out til you get home and order from rsov. He's excellent to deal with and will pick up from other suppliers in Hong Kong for you if you see something elsewhere that you like. His shipping costs are excellent. The savings he gives on that alone make him more than worth while

padmundo

Also I can't help but notice you keep typing RSOC... maybe that's your problem, it's rsov.com

kdouglas

cherubaul wrote:

youre going for the Bell M9 yes.
When you get it will you post to confirm whether or not the Hop up and seals need to be user installed I've heard this but I've not actually seen it for myself.

liamo333 has one, he can probably answer that for you, but afaik, it comes with spare mag seals i think...

ScumLord

Also I can't help but notice you keep typing RSOC.

I was aware of that too it was in my browser anyway. It's this stupid satilite connection I can view the site fine on dial up. I can't even load that link you just posted.

So I'll go with rsvm and order a cheap AK47. I'm changing my mind on the pistol looking at that 'HFC' M92, more and more do ye think it's worth the extra money?

Does this guy on rsmp do discounts? It's all coming in at over €200 including adapter from the states, I might drop out the ak but if he does a discount I might just get the thing.

ED E

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Voodoomelon

The Beretta emblem on the grip looks the same, yup.
But the slide and frame markings are utterly different.

The disassembly button looks very different too on that KWC.

Everything on the Western Arms Perfect Version Beretta is identical to the real thing. I want one!