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Love or hate, Jack

  • 08-05-2007 03:23PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭


    Just wondering why allot of people dislike or even hate Jack, some people even wanting him killed off?! I've watched Lost from the beginning, seen his up's and down just like the rest of the characters. So why is everybody so hard on the guy? Hasn't he done nothing but help the survivors on the Island, save peoples lives, been a general nice guy?! Is this why people don't like him? I for one think he's one of the most important people in Lost and would be quiet shocked if he was killed off or banished. Comments please! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    I have been behind him all the way. I like his character. I think the main reason alot of people got annoyed was because the writers did alots of filler eps about halfway in season 3 and alot of them were based on Jack. He is a solid character and still has further developments to abstain from in LOST.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I like Jack too. He's taken a back seat for most of this season so I don't get the he-gets-too-much-screentime argument. A lot of people have something against Matthew Fox which probably accounts for most of the hate. In other cases people hate Jack because he gets more screentime than *insert favourite character here*. As in any ensemble fans tend to take a disliking to the dominant player(s).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    I like him as well. I think a lot of the people who hate him must be hard-core Locke fans who don't like the way Jack questions their hero. Just about every thread here has a post with someone giving out about him. Maybe we should have a thread called "Jack is a ****-faced sack of ****ing **** " so all the anti-Jack posts could be in one place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭man1


    logik wrote:
    I have been behind him all the way. I like his character. I think the main reason alot of people got annoyed was because the writers did alots of filler eps about halfway in season 3 and alot of them were based on Jack. He is a solid character and still has further developments to forgo in LOST.

    I dont think this is the reason that makes me and most others want to throw a brick at the TV everytime I see him.

    For me anyway it is his "I know it all and only I can be right" attitude/personality.
    Also the fact that he thinks he is the leader and is shocked when someone questions his authority. Who the F**K made him the boss?????
    Oh how I loved it last night when hurley/charlie/sayid and co all agreed that they wouldnt tell jack about naomi. (when before they would have all ran to him straightaway and squeeled "what will we do jack")
    It was going so great till kate ran to him and blabbed all like she was trying to impress him and win him back!! How saaaaaaaaddddddddddddd!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    man1 wrote:
    I dont think this is the reason that makes me and most others want to throw a brick at the TV everytime I see him.

    Haha i had a good laugh when i read that line.... :D

    But seriously he is not always saying he knows it all and what he says goes. He is a born leader in my eyes and the reason people come to him for help is because they see him as exactly that. He is a very intellegent character, you would have to be to be a spinal surgeon and he plays his character really well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,065 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Cant stand him.
    He is an impetuous ,irrational,impulsive know it all.
    He is a block head .
    Why should he be the boss ?
    Sayid,Locke or Desmond are far better suited to being leader than Jack .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    man1 wrote:
    Also the fact that he thinks he is the leader and is shocked when someone questions his authority. Who the F**K made him the boss?????

    tbh Jack (though initially reluctant) was made the de facto leader by the survivors in 1x05. Everyone including Locke supported him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Gillie


    Hate him with a passion!
    I know everything...
    Where were you...
    Why didn't someone tell me....

    Blah blah blah!

    Really hope he gets killed off! There are a lot of other characters in the show who i'd prefer to Jack!
    Sawyer, Locke, Sayid, Ben, Des even Charlie at times!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    tbh Jack (though initially reluctant) was made the de facto leader by the survivors in 1x05. Everyone including Locke supported him.

    Thank you Prof :). This is what i mean, people came to him because he stood out from everyone else. You can't fault him for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭kinda lost


    Jacks a spinal surgeon and in my eyes that makes him out to be a very intelligent man, if i were one of the survivors id stick by him,with there being no other doc around and no hospitals.

    Thats y i guess everyone listens to him, he is quiet a tosser though really annoys me and he talks down to everyone,but saying all that they cant kill him off the show needs him.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    There was a line in his flashbacks in Thailand along the lines of "I guess I'm a nice guy", or something along those lines. That sort of smug attitude is why I hate him.

    His flashbacks have ALL been ****. I have no interest in what torments Jack, unless its his own smugness. Oh, if only I was one of those Thai blokes kicking the ****e out of him on the beach.

    And while Jack may have been a reluctant leader to start off, his time as leader has shown what a complete prick he is. It's his way or the high way all the time. Like, thinking way back to the first six episodes of s3, you could see everyone's shock when Locke said everyone was free to come along looking for Eko and the swan hatch. This was because they'd become used to Jack picking from either Sayid, Kate or Sawyer and inevitably being joined by Locke.

    In conclusion, Jack is a gob****e who I wish a painful, painful death in the finale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Schism


    Cant say that jack is a bad guy or anything he just annoys me, Sayid would be a great leader imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    If pushed Sayids past and anger would be too much and he would do bad bad things. He would become a dictator. lets face it, Sayids people skills lack a few major aspects :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    logik wrote:
    If pushed Sayids past and anger would be too much and he would do bad bad things. He would become a dictator. lets face it, Sayids people skills lack a few major aspects :D
    Hold on, in a situation where the losties find themselves, surely a 'trust no-one' approach would be wisest. Yet, there's Jack making **** small talk with Juliette who's screwing him over nicely. On the other hand, Sayid's just biding his time before he interrogates the bejesus out of Juliette, or until Jack pisses off.

    Still, I reckon we'll find out that Jack is in fact part of the others plan, or that he knows all about it. Why else would he and Juliette be sharing secrets they don't feel safe telling Kate yet?

    But that's off the point, Jack sucks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Hold on, in a situation where the losties find themselves, surely a 'trust no-one' approach would be wisest. Yet, there's Jack making **** small talk with Juliette who's screwing him over nicely. On the other hand, Sayid's just biding his time before he interrogates the bejesus out of Juliette, or until Jack pisses off.

    Still, I reckon we'll find out that Jack is in fact part of the others plan, or that he knows all about it. Why else would he and Juliette be sharing secrets they don't feel safe telling Kate yet?

    But that's off the point, Jack sucks.

    Understood, Juliet wanted to tell Kate about whatever it is they are hiding, it was Jack that said "she is not ready yet". Whatever that means, but thats off point also. Are you not curious about what happened to Jack in that week he spent with the Others and also about what he knows now?

    Jacks character still has alot going for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    I'm hoping beyond hope that Jack knows more than he's letting on as it might make him remotely interesting. The depressing reality though is that Jack probably is telling the truth, he just shut up for the week so he'd get on his nice submarine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭man1


    logik wrote:
    If pushed Sayids past and anger would be too much and he would do bad bad things. He would become a dictator. lets face it, Sayids people skills lack a few major aspects :D

    ...and jacks peoples skills are better?

    I think sayid would be good as a leader. He would be tough but fair. He would have better organisation skills. He wouldnt let all the secrets and not telling each other crap happen.
    Anyway why do they need a leader..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,503 ✭✭✭✭jellie


    i liked him in the beginning, now hes just annoying. Hopefully juliet will do something awful to him..


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    People hate him because he's a righteous, humourless cock, I would have thought. No?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    man1 wrote:
    ...and jacks peoples skills are better?

    I think sayid would be good as a leader. He would be tough but fair. He would have better organisation skills. He wouldnt let all the secrets and not telling each other crap happen.
    Anyway why do they need a leader..........
    Maybe they'll go all Lord of the Flies with them all trying to kill Jack after a while. The main character in that's name was Jack too, wasn't it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    man1 wrote:
    Anyway why do they need a leader..........

    Look at the human race, we have always had and always will need a leader. People need something "religion" or someone "leader" to look up to.

    Without a leader on that Island it would have been mayhem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    I dislike the character cas he always asks the wrong questions and when he knows something that the public dont find out about for a good few weeks, he's a bit smug and his voice can be a little frustrating.

    hate is a strong word though!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    logik wrote:
    Without a leader on that Island it would have been mayhem.
    So, while under the threat of the others taking any of their pregnant women, having one of the others infiltrate them, having a british bird land onto the island looking for Desmond, running out of food (you saw how Charlie sniffed at the jar of jam the last night ;) ) and having a death rate of roughly a person every 15 days all means that the Island is currently in a state of calm? Thought not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Seriously, folks, you're one of the survivors, who would you choose as your leader?

    Sayid: the ex-Iraqi torturer who comes up with such brilliant plans as "me, Jin and his pregnant wife are going to ambush the Others all by ourselves in Desmond's boat, they'll never see us coming!"

    Locke: the former paraplegic who doesn't want to the leave the island and has made it is mission to ensure no one else does either. He has on occasion "sacrificed" one of the survivors because, wait for it, the island told him to do it!

    or

    Jack: the spinal surgeon who on the day of the crash was running back and forth across the beach like superman saving everyone's butts and aside from recent suspicions has made getting off the island and bringing rescue to the survivors his primary goal.... but oh wait, he's a bit smug and arrogant and he doesn't ask the right questions about the crazy island so...and we don't like the sound of is voice...

    so let's all vote Locke, he'll save us :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    So, while under the threat of the others taking any of their pregnant women, having one of the others infiltrate them, having a british bird land onto the island looking for Desmond, running out of food (you saw how Charlie sniffed at the jar of jam the last night ;) ) and having a death rate of roughly a person every 15 days all means that the Island is currently in a state of calm? Thought not.

    A come on :). You know what i mean. Before Jack stood up in ep5 season 1 and talked to everyone about what needed to be done, people were in a state of war of something like bottled water. If there was no leader figure early on, the losties would have split up and formed smaller groups of people. When stranded on an Island it would be best to stay together no?

    When they first crashed rememeber they had no idea about the Others etc, so they still needed a leader figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Seriously, folks, you're one of the survivors, who would you choose as your leader?

    Sayid: the ex-Iraqi torturer who comes up with such brilliant plans as "me, Jin and his pregnant wife are going to ambush the Others all by ourselves in Desmond's boat, they'll never see us coming!"

    Locke: the former paraplegic who doesn't want to the leave the island and has made it is mission to ensure no one else does either. He has on occasion "sacrificed" one of the survivors because, wait for it, the island told him to do it!

    or

    Jack: the spinal surgeon who on the day of the crash was running back and forth across the beach like superman saving everyone's butts and aside from recent suspicions has made getting off the island and bringing rescue to the survivors his primary goal.... but oh wait, he's a bit smug and arrogant and he doesn't ask the right questions about the crazy island so...

    Aye very well put and when its put like that you can see why Jack was the one chosen by the other losties to "lead" them in a way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    logik wrote:
    He is a solid character and still has further developments to forgo in LOST.
    Just so you know, forgo means to abstain from.
    Not being finicky about your grammar, just think it reads funny - "He still has further developments to abstain from in LOST":D

    Anyways...
    I can see why people have gotten sick of Jack in season 3, because he's just been a bit smug and a bit of a psycho.
    But I started watching season 1 again last night, and I have to say, the man is cool under pressure, especially in the pilot, and he's an essential character in my opinion.
    Using a Turtles analogy, he's like the Leonardo - not the best character, but the best all-rounder.
    (To follow on from that analogy, Sayid is Donatello, Sawyer is Raphael, Hurley is Michelangelo, Locke is Splinter, Kate is April, Ben is Shredder, Jacob is Krang, ehhhhh...Ethan and Goodwin are Bebop and Rocksteady, and so on).
    What was the question again?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Eh, you don't have to like someone just because they're good leadership material. Jack is like the Roy Keane or the Chairman Mao of Lost


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    SumGuy wrote:
    Just so you know, forgo means to abstain from.
    Not being finicky about your grammar, just think it reads funny - "He still has further developments to abstain from in LOST":D

    Not at all :). Its better its corrected than not.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    SumGuy wrote:
    Using a Turtles analogy, he's like the Leonardo - not the best character, but the best all-rounder.
    (To follow on from that analogy, Sayid is Donatello, Sawyer is Raphael, Hurley is Michelangelo, Locke is Splinter, Kate is April, Ben is Shredder, Jacob is Krang, ehhhhh...Ethan and Goodwin are Bebop and Rocksteady, and so on).
    What was the question again?

    Lost has just been summed up perfectly.


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