Live 1/2 Hand

opr

I am UTG and have made it 7 blind and cover everyone in the hand. 6 Players to the flop.

I have stayed blind and checked a flop of 8h ks 5h

UTG + 1 Checks and the guy next to act makes it 35 to play (Pot 42).
Dont know alot about him he has just joined the tables but seems to be ok and is playing about 300.

One caller in the cutoff who is terrible and has about 300 also. Folded to me and i look down on KQ no hearts.

I make it 135 to go ..... Comments ??

Guy next to act calls with his last 70 and the orginal raiser folds , Guy in the cut off flat calls and the turn brings a 6h.

OK i know how i got here isnt ideal But who likes what at this point ? Guy in the cut off has about 170 left ?

I think it would be very interestign if he had more , do people thoughts change if he has like 270 behind ?

Opr

Marq

if you're going to raise blind preflop you shouldn't compund the mistake by blind checking the flop.

I think the flop raise is ok, though it's effectively a push. I prefer a flat call and check-raise on a turn blank. Becuase of all your blind messing around your hand is nicely disguised. It's unlikely anyone has AK and two pair should be unlikely. flush draws and hands like KT and KJ are most likely for your opponents given the action.
Any reads on the CO?
If he bets you're probably going to have to call getting 3:1 on your money so bet the pot.

sikes

Marq wrote:

I prefer a flat call and check-raise on a turn blank.

if we are ahead now we should pump it. we cant let 67 or hearts or a worse K catch 2 pair. Pump it now on the flop and not wait to see if a 50/50 comes off the turn that means we can get away cheaply or a worse case where another K catches 2 pair and we go broke.

I would raise more on the flop with 3 players left to act.

On turn it really depends on how bad he really is. I doubt he is calling a bet with a worse K now so I check, and then prob check fold a push/most bets, really depends, i doubt he is leading with 67 on the turn either.

The more he has behind the easier the fold becomes if he bets.

Marq

sikes wrote:

if we are ahead now we should pump it.

Not always. Our hand is nicely disguised, and we might get a lot more money in the pot on a "check, bet, call, check-raise" turn line.

I'm not saying the flop raise is bad (although I would raised the max if I was going to raise here), just that I prefer to play the hand more passively as your hand is pretty vulnerable.

sikes

Marq wrote:

Not always. Our hand is nicely disguised, and we might get a lot more money in the pot on a "check, bet, call, check-raise" turn line.

I'm not saying the flop raise is bad (although I would raised the max if I was going to raise here), just that I prefer to play the hand more passively as your hand is pretty vulnerable.

we dont make money with vulnerable hands by playing them passively, OOP on a draw heavy board in a multiway pot when our hand is most likely the best and people are generally crap.

valor

as played I would check fold

opr

valor wrote:

as played I would check fold

Do you not think the odds are way too big for this ?

Opr

valor

well no not really

i calculate the pot at 417 now

theres a guy all in so the pot is somewhat protected. I think theres a good chance that this pot goes check check check check and we take it down a resonable % of the time, but given the very obvious flush hit and some gutshots and 2 pairs did aswell, and because we will have to showdown against the all in guy to win the main pot, checking is better to me

it does depend heavily on how bad this guy is though, if he is totally retarded calling station bad then you can push and win the side pot agaisnt him even if you dont win the other pot, if he is really passive bad then you can easily check fold, if he is the type of guy who loves to stab at scare cards then you can check call his shove etc

but as a rule without further info check fold is best

opr

I think your spot on with that Valor.

I bet out and he called with 67 and didn't hit. I took the side pot and the guy with the original call took the main with a flush.

I thought afterwards that betting was wrong but i think its ok as you say given how bad this guy was.

Thanks
Opr