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**SPOILER WARNING** Spoilers and Speculation

  • 06-05-2007 1:46am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭


    Please add all the spoilers and rumours for 'The Man Behind the Curtain' (3x20), 'Greatest Hits' (3x21), 'Through The Looking Glass' (Season 3 Finale) and Season 4 to this thread.
    Please specify which spoilers are confirmed and which are merely rumours at this point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    General Spoiler:
    There will be 5 deaths between episode 3x19 and the Season Finale. Cooper (Locke's Dad) was one of these.

    General Speculation:
    The other 4 are rumoured to be Charlie, Ben, Kate & Sayid.



    3x20 "The Man Behind The Curtain":

    Spoiler:
    This is a Ben Centric Episode



    3x21 "Greatest Hits":

    Spoiler:
    This is a Charlie Centric Episode

    Spoiler:
    Bernard and Rose are back in this episode. We haven't seen them since the season 2 finale.

    Spoiler:
    In Flashbacks Charlie meets both Desmond and Naomi

    Spoiler:
    Charlie risks his life trying to get Naomi's radio working so that the Survivors can make contact with the outside world.

    Speculation:
    Charlie Dies in this Episode



    3x22, 3x23 "Through The Looking Glass":

    Spoiler:
    2 hour long Jack Centric Episode

    Speculation:
    There will be a battle between the 815ers and the Others

    Speculation:
    Jack will accidentally cause Kate's death and then after a fight with Sawyer will leave to become the new leader of the Others after Ben's Death



    Season 4 and Beyond:

    Spoiler:
    The only cast members definitely confirmed to return in Season 4 are Matthew Fox (Jack) and Terry O'Quinn (Locke)

    Speculation:
    Due to storylines it is safe to assume that Josh Holloway (Sawyer), Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) and Emilie De Ravin (Claire) will also return in Season 4.

    Speculation:
    It has been rumoured that Libby will return through flashbacks and her story will be concluded, the Michael and Walt storyline will also reach a conclusion, although Harold Perrineau (Michael) has stated he will not return to the show. The characters of Eko and Nikki may somehow return in season 4, but not just through flashbacks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭duridian


    Certainly will be a fantastic 3 weeks of Lost if you are correct, and they all seem very possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Arrrrgghh... i just read the first two lines and that was enough. Couldn't read any further.
    General Speculation:
    The other 4 are rumoured to be Charlie, Ben, Kate & Sayid.
    There's not a chance they will be the
    4 deaths.

    Ben and Charlie maybe but Kate and Sayid.. no way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    basquille wrote:
    Arrrrgghh... i just read the first two lines and that was enough. Couldn't read any further.


    There's not a chance they will be the
    4 deaths.

    Ben and Charlie maybe but Kate and Sayid.. no way!

    Well apparently, the last two have been bitching about the producers, one of them decided to quit and they have been trying to get rid of the other one since early in the season. Of course this is only speculation at this point, but the
    4 more deaths
    is definite, the only question is who? Those are the names floating around at the moment.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    CaptainNegative, maybe just put a general spoiler warning in the thread title, otherwise we're going to have to spoiler tag everything, seems a bit pointless given the topic. Anyway...

    **SPOILER WARNING**

    ...on the subject of who's going to die, here's a post I wrote on TheFuselage a couple of days ago.
    Relax, everyone. The only reason TPTB would kill any of the big four is if the actor wanted to leave, otherwise ABC would NEVER allow it. Of those four the only one who could possibly want to leave is Matthew Fox who's been bit quiet lately. This would make sense with him getting a 2-hour fb but I still think it's HIGHLY unlikely. It's already been pretty much confirmed that Locke is too important to be going anywhere any time soon. And Evie and Josh come across as too enthusiastic about the show to want to leave. Besides, who would they put on all those magazine covers if Evie left? So imo those 4 character are rock solid safe.

    He may try and cover it up but Dom clearly wants to be on the show and all this Charlie-death business is far too obvious imo. It's a massive red herring planted by two writers who love shocking death sequences. There's no way they'd give it away so early. And while Charlie's backstory may have dried up, his on-island stuff has been fine and he's had plenty of screen time, or as much as he ever had.

    If there's one character who's really suffered lately it's Sayid; both his flashbacks and his on-island screentime have diminished significantly...and oh look, Naveen is moaning about the show as well... and his film career is going well too. The only part of his backstory that has to be tied up is Nadia and she's appearing in Charlie's ep. I'm thinking she'll be in the fb (to remind us who she is) and will appear again at the end of the ep as Smokey. I don't know, folks, but Sayid looks like a goner to me.

    I can't see Ben dying either. Michael Emerson is just too damn good. They writers would have to be completely insane to kill him off. Emerson had an interview recently in which he said he was, based on his reading of the scripts, fairly confident Ben would survive. Emerson seems very sharp to me so I trust him on this. Beside if they were going to kill Ben they would have given him the finale, they could have given him a big send off. They gave him a regular episode because they're planning to reveal his secrets gradually over the course of next season. It makes sense that we're going to need an Other, someone with knowledge of Dharma to fill us in next season. Juliet's knowledge is limited so who better than Ben?

    I think the remaining deaths with be minor characters: Rose, Bernard, Tom, Karl, there's no shortage.

    I can also seriously see Alex getting caught in the crossfire between Ben and Rousseau.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    I don't necessarily believe that the 4 people I mentioned would die are the ones that will, I'm just merely reciting what I've heard through the grapevine.
    I'm pretty sure Tom, Bernard and Rose have been confirmed for season 4, so they possibly won't be killed.
    I like your theory on Charlie. It could be true. I think the reason Kate is up there on the deaths list, was there's rumours circulating that she does want to leave.
    Who knows? Perhaps all the speculative spoilers released have been red herrings, started by JJ and Damon to throw us off the scent.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I don't necessarily believe that the 4 people I mentioned would die are the ones that will, I'm just merely reciting what I've heard through the grapevine.
    I'm pretty sure Tom, Bernard and Rose have been confirmed for season 4, so they possibly won't be killed.
    I like your theory on Charlie. It could be true. I think the reason Kate is up there on the deaths list, was there's rumours circulating that she does want to leave.
    Who knows? Perhaps all the speculative spoilers released have been red herrings, started by JJ and Damon to throw us off the scent.

    I've heard the same I just think they're bogus like most of the Lost rumour-mill :). The source for all the Charlie death-rumours is the show itself so it's no surprise everyone thinks he's going to die. I suspect what will happen is Charlie will "drown" and be swept away while trying to reconnect the sonar, this will be witnessed by Desmond. Then just as we think the big character death is out of the way someone else will get killed (probably Sayid) and Charlie will wash ashore later, still alive. That's my predication :D

    The writers have surely copped on by now that killing a character off in their own flashback episode is a bit obvious. Already in Eko's episode they were trying to lead people astray with the introduction of Paulo and Nikki. The promos had already given away the fact that someone was going to die and they hoped that when the audience saw the two new red shirts they would assume THEY and NOT Eko would be killed.

    The Kate rumours are somewhat understandable given that she's dating the hobbit in real life, so it's easy to believe if he goes she might want out as well. But there's no way ABC would let that happen imo. It is possible of course that the writers may pull a fake-death involving Kate and leave us hanging for 9 months but I still think Evangeline Lilly will be in the show next season, resurrection, island healing, whatever.

    And AFAIK no actor/character has been officially confirmed for next season but TPTB have indirectly indicated that certain ones still have a future, such as Locke, Juliet and Rousseau. But this is all subject to change.

    And if Ben dies... I'll cry. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    I've heard the same I just think they're bogus like most of the Lost rumour-mill :). The source for all the Charlie death-rumours is the show itself so it's no surprise everyone thinks he's going to die. I suspect what will happen is Charlie will "drown" and be swept away while trying to reconnect the sonar, this will be witnessed by Desmond. Then just as we think the big character death is out of the way someone else will get killed (probably Sayid) and Charlie will wash ashore later, still alive. That's my predication :D

    The writers have surely copped on by now that killing a character off in their own flashback episode is a bit obvious. Already in Eko's episode they were trying to lead people astray with the introduction of Paulo and Nikki. The promos had already given away the fact that someone was going to die and they hoped that when the audience saw the two new red shirts they would assume THEY and NOT Eko would be killed.

    The Kate rumours are somewhat understandable given that she's dating the hobbit in real life, so it's easy to believe if he goes she might want out as well. But there's no way ABC would let that happen imo. It is possible of course that the writers may pull a fake-death involving Kate and leave us hanging for 9 months but I still think Evangeline Lilly will be in the show next season, resurrection, island healing, whatever.

    And AFAIK no actor/character has been officially confirmed for next season but TPTB have indirectly indicated that certain ones still have a future, such as Locke, Juliet and Rousseau. But this is all subject to change.

    And if Ben dies... I'll cry. :(

    Of course they could completely blow us out of the water by killing Hurley, Sawyer, Desmond and Jin. No one would see it coming and everyone would be 100% shocked, since they're probably the 4 most popular characters on the show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Here's some more speculation spoilers. They're not confirmed, but many of the spoiler providers are almost certain they're true;

    - We'll find out that "Ben Linus", along with Richard Alpert and Jacob, were once workers for DHARMA who also doubled as human test subjects for various DHARMA projects on the island.

    - We'll see the overthrow of DHARMA scientists by the workers led by Jacob, who was the instigator of the revolution and the saviour of Ben. Unfortunately, Jacob was unable to save Ben's family which we'll see.

    - We'll come to understand that the mysterious (this name is a spoiler until it is told to us in an ep) wasn't the only traveler on the expedition flight to the island (hint: a male was with her who'll wash ashore later), but is in fact a spy of the DHARMA Initiative who's come to investigate exactly what happened on the island.

    - The triggers for her visit were the meltdown of the Swan Station and the loss of contact with the Flame Station. A series of "secure" codes had to be input from the Flame to give DHARMA the green light that everything was fine, and to continue the food drops the same way the numbers had to be input in the Swan. The Others (hostiles) were successful keeping up appearances with Mikhail's help until Locke destroyed it.

    - Cerberus, aka "The Smoke Monster" was a DHARMA experiment in both nanotechnology and neural networking which was used to guard the perimeter of various stations intuitively, but was damaged during the purge of DHARMA controllers, It has since gone rogue and become self aware.

    - The "Others" as we've come to know and love (or hate) are truly the good guys who gained their own freedom and were actively attempting to reverse the effects of experiments performed on them by DHARMA, and the effects of the island on unprotected humans until Flight 815 interrupted them.

    - Ben confides in Locke that they were basically slaves to DHARMA and they must keep up the ruse that DHARMA is still in control or they will all die from a common enemy. Jacob is the head "inmate" who orchestrated the revolution, and who remains hidden in plain sight but is still the one they must answer to.

    - We find out that Penelope Widmore has been a member of DHARMA all along, and the station in Antarctica is run by DHARMA. Desmond has a vision of Penelope which is frightening and reveals new, truthful memories about how they really met at the monastery.

    - Ben dies in the finale along with a few Others, as does Kate and Sayid. Sawyer and most of the Losties blame Jack and Juliet for Kate and Sayid's deaths due to his plan. Jack is forced to go with the surviving Others, and we see Tom by his side as he protects his new leader. From the sky we see images of the island as if from the viewpoint of a coming aircraft. It seems DHARMA has sent someone (or something) to the island and it's not nice.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    I swear, I really will stop watching if Ben dies. He saved the show, without him it'll be nothing once again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Faith wrote:
    I swear, I really will stop watching if Ben dies. He saved the show, without him it'll be nothing once again.

    As I said, these spoilers aren't 100% confirmed. I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see. Personally I don't want to see Ben, Kate or Charlie die. I'm indifferent about Sayid, but if JJ and Damon have the balls to kill off 4 major players without a second thought, it's only so they can prove no one is safe in this show. Who knows, maybe they need to get rid of 4 main cast members to make space for the possible returns of Eko, Nikki and Walt and I think they're also planning to make Danielle and Tom main members of the cast. It all seems to be part of a vicious cycle.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Here's some more speculation spoilers. They're not confirmed, but many of the spoiler providers are almost certain they're true;

    - We'll find out that "Ben Linus", along with Richard Alpert and Jacob, were once workers for DHARMA who also doubled as human test subjects for various DHARMA projects on the island.

    - We'll see the overthrow of DHARMA scientists by the workers led by Jacob, who was the instigator of the revolution and the saviour of Ben. Unfortunately, Jacob was unable to save Ben's family which we'll see.

    - We'll come to understand that the mysterious (this name is a spoiler until it is told to us in an ep) wasn't the only traveler on the expedition flight to the island (hint: a male was with her who'll wash ashore later), but is in fact a spy of the DHARMA Initiative who's come to investigate exactly what happened on the island.

    - The triggers for her visit were the meltdown of the Swan Station and the loss of contact with the Flame Station. A series of "secure" codes had to be input from the Flame to give DHARMA the green light that everything was fine, and to continue the food drops the same way the numbers had to be input in the Swan. The Others (hostiles) were successful keeping up appearances with Mikhail's help until Locke destroyed it.

    - Cerberus, aka "The Smoke Monster" was a DHARMA experiment in both nanotechnology and neural networking which was used to guard the perimeter of various stations intuitively, but was damaged during the purge of DHARMA controllers, It has since gone rogue and become self aware.

    - The "Others" as we've come to know and love (or hate) are truly the good guys who gained their own freedom and were actively attempting to reverse the effects of experiments performed on them by DHARMA, and the effects of the island on unprotected humans until Flight 815 interrupted them.

    - Ben confides in Locke that they were basically slaves to DHARMA and they must keep up the ruse that DHARMA is still in control or they will all die from a common enemy. Jacob is the head "inmate" who orchestrated the revolution, and who remains hidden in plain sight but is still the one they must answer to.

    - We find out that Penelope Widmore has been a member of DHARMA all along, and the station in Antarctica is run by DHARMA. Desmond has a vision of Penelope which is frightening and reveals new, truthful memories about how they really met at the monastery.

    - Ben dies in the finale along with a few Others, as does Kate and Sayid. Sawyer and most of the Losties blame Jack and Juliet for Kate and Sayid's deaths due to his plan. Jack is forced to go with the surviving Others, and we see Tom by his side as he protects his new leader. From the sky we see images of the island as if from the viewpoint of a coming aircraft. It seems DHARMA has sent someone (or something) to the island and it's not nice.

    The source for all of the above was a poster on The Fuselage with one post calling himself "friend". It's actually a pretty good theory too btw but the mention of nano-bots confirms it as fake imo. It's been denied about a million times, the writers laugh every time it's brought up. Besides they said in this week's podcast we won't find out what the monster is till close to the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    The source for all of the above was a poster on The Fuselage with one post calling himself "friend". It's actually a pretty good theory too btw but the mention of nano-bots confirms it as fake imo. It's been denied about a million times, the writers laugh every time it's brought up. Besides they said in this week's podcast we won't find out what the monster is till close to the end.

    Hopefully they're not real. They were passed onto me by a friend on some other forums. I think he said he got them from the fuselage alright.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Hopefully they're not real.

    Me too, especially the Ben dying bit :D

    Also I don't think Jacob is real and if he is I doubt we'll see him this season. Or in the last 5 minutes of the finale at the earliest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭SoSueMe


    Visit:
    http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/

    This is probably the best site for spoilers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Saskia


    There are threads out there revealing who Jacob is that I dont wanna read in here without spoiler font, please keep all major reveals spoilers despite the obvious content of the thread.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Saskia wrote:
    There are threads out there revealing who Jacob is that I dont wanna read in here without spoiler font, please keep all major reveals spoilers despite the obvious content of the thread.

    Jacob hasn't been revealed anywhere yet, it's all speculation at this point mixed with some bogus rumours. And there's a spoiler warning in the thread title, if you don't want to be spoiled then don't read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Saskia


    Its a MULTIPLE spolier thread therefor all spoliers must be spoilered :mad:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    If we spoilered everything, there'd be no readable text on the page. Therefore, there would be no point in opening the thread unless you wanted to highlight and read the spoilers. If you didn't want to read the spoilers, you wouldn't open the page.

    This thread is entitled: **SPOILER WARNING** Spoilers and Speculation . Clearly it's full of spoilers. There's no point opening it if you don't want to read them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Saskia wrote:
    Its a MULTIPLE spolier thread therefor all spoliers must be spoilered :mad:

    As sad-proffessor and faith have said, there is already a Spoiler Warning on the thread. No spoilers need to be tagged. If you read it, it's your own problem, I've done what is neccessary.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Saskia wrote:
    Its a MULTIPLE spolier thread therefor all spoliers must be spoilered :mad:

    Sorry, i have to agree with the others on this, the name of the thread has SPOILER in the heading which is the same as ENTER AT OWN RISK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    most likley deaths from what i'm hearing from the moderators of the fuselage

    charlie
    kate
    sayid
    maybe- sawyer- because he killed cooper, we just don't know whether that was bad or not yet -


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    stevejazzx wrote:
    most likley deaths from what i'm hearing from the moderators of the fuselage

    charlie
    kate
    sayid
    maybe- sawyer- because he killed cooper, we just don't know whether that was bad or not yet -

    Can't see that happening. The writers have said the show will run until 2010 and killing off those people would leave a HUGE gap in a show that has plans to run for another 3 full seasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    stevejazzx wrote:
    most likley deaths from what i'm hearing from the moderators of the fuselage

    charlie
    kate
    sayid
    maybe- sawyer- because he killed cooper, we just don't know whether that was bad or not yet -

    They wouldn't kill Sawyer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    well darkufo (an inside source) with about 100 correct prediction s to date
    has tipped

    sayid - wants out, working on another project
    charlie - stroy arc is over, he wants out
    kate - wnats to leave the same time as charlie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    stevejazzx wrote:
    well darkufo (an inside source) with about 100 correct prediction s to date
    has tipped

    sayid - wants out, working on another project
    charlie - stroy arc is over, he wants out
    kate - wnats to leave the same time as charlie

    Suprised at Sayid, not so much Kate and Charlie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    logik wrote:
    Suprised at Sayid, not so much Kate and Charlie.

    Sayid has been bitching about the show for awhile now. I reckon the writers are sick of him. Word on the street is, Charlie may not be leaving, so that means Kate probably won't be leaving either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Sayid has been bitching about the show for awhile now. I reckon the writers are sick of him. Word on the street is, Charlie may not be leaving, so that means Kate probably won't be leaving either.

    Hmm, wonder how the writers will explain "contradicting themselves" when they stated that the universe has a way of course correcting itself and that Charlie is meant to die, only for him not to die now. A little silly but, meh we will see what happens.

    Like Desmond saved Charile 3 times now so why would it just stop now or will Desmond keep saving him over and over.... a bit drawn out tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭yayamark


    logik wrote:
    Hmm, wonder how the writers will explain "contradicting themselves" when they stated that the universe has a way of course correcting itself and that Charlie is meant to die, only for him not to die now. A little silly but, meh we will see what happens.

    Like Desmond saved Charile 3 times now so why would it just stop now or will Desmond keep saving him over and over.... a bit drawn out tbh.

    maybe desmond gets killed off and he then can't save charlie from been killed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    yayamark wrote:
    maybe desmond gets killed off and he then can't save charlie from been killed

    Yes but Charlies character has basicly done nothing for the majority of season 3. Why keep him in the show if they didnt have some kind of plans for him in the future eps. And killing him in ep 2 of season 4 would be pointless if you know what i mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Perhaps if Charlie saves himself from dying without any help from Desmond, Charlie will become immortal!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Perhaps if Charlie saves himself from dying without any help from Desmond, Charlie will become immortal!!!

    Meh i can't win hehe :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭arcade1


    if half those spoilers are true season4 will be rubbish!!
    sounds like the show is really going to go down hill, hope the writers don't think they can bluff it until 2010. if they kill off the people mentioned and jack becomes leader of the others and sawyer the leader of the losties is it just going to be a lord of the flys/battle royale type story for 3 more seasons?
    surely the story cannot go forward without ben, he's the most interesting to happen on lost since the plane crashed!!
    if kate went i'd miss her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    I agree that Ben is needed in the show. I can’t see him leaving to be honest because a lot of what the Island is, has to be explained by Ben himself. I can see Ben being in LOST for a long time yet, which is great for the show.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    "Friend" from The 'lage who posted all those spoilers CaptainNegative quoted earlier is now claiming that Jacob is....wait for it...
    Richard Alpert, who's actually been manipulating Ben all along
    . Take this as you may but I think it's rubbish, foiler planted by the writers. We'll find out tonight I guess. If as I suspect this proves to be fake then that means all the Kate/Sayid/Charlie rumours are rubbish too, as DarkUFO based those speculative-deaths on this "Friend" character.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    "Friend" from The 'lage who posted all those spoilers CaptainNegative quoted earlier is now claiming that Jacob is....wait for it...
    Richard Alpert, who's actually been manipulating Ben all along
    . Take this as you may but I think it's rubbish, foiler planted by the writers. We'll find out tonight I guess. If as I suspect this proves to be fake then that means all the Kate/Sayid/Charlie rumours are rubbish too, as DarkUFO based those speculative-deaths on this "Friend" character.

    Sounds like rubbish to me also and the stuff about Kate/Charlie/Sayid is most likely rubbish too.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I think we can now safely confirm now that "Friend" was full of s**t. He was totally wrong about Ben's flashback.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    I think we can now safely confirm now that "Friend" was full of s**t. He was totally wrong about Ben's flashback.

    Aye nowhere close to it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    I'm not sure about the Richard/Jacob connection being shít. I think there's something to it, definitely. Richard found young Ben, essentially groomed him, must have told him to kill his father and provided him with what he needed. He was also the one who really encouraged Locke to finish off his father, one way or the other. He was responsible for bringing at least Juliette to the Island, not to mention probably being the one who arranged for her husband to die.

    Also, when Locke said at the start of TMBTC "Maybe I'll ask Richard to bring me to Jacob" (or whatever), Ben really sharply replied "Richard? Why would Richard know to where to find Jacob?"


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    It's possible, Faith, but I doubt it. According to Darlton, Jacob is like the Emperor in Star Wars and won't be revealed till close to the end. Richard while clearly very important may not live that long :D

    This Friend character also claimed that Richard was a Dharma workman like Ben, which he clearly wasn't so I think we can safely dismiss his whole theory as foiler.

    On the subject of who's going to die, here's a snippet from a recent interview:
    So you're not going to tell me who dies.

    Cuse: Well, at least five people die.

    Lindelof: But, you know, not like five major, major characters. But a couple of major characters.

    Cuse: I think probably if you're a close viewer of the show you could name all five people.

    Source: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2007/05/lost_producers_.html


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Kate's not going to die, no way, never. Evangeline was interviewed on a U.S. talk show last night and she spent the whole interview raving about how brilliant the show is and what a great twist the finale has. If that twist was her getting killed I don't think she'd be so excited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Ok this isn't a spoiler,just my theories as a close viewer of the show as to who might die. I'm gonna guess that Cooper wasn't included in that five either.

    So I'm gonna go with Sayid, Bernard, Rose, Richard and Naomi.
    I'm probably completely off, but I'll go with it anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    I would imagine Richard is the 2nd in command of the The Others/Hostiles, after Jacob.

    Ben was acting as Jacobs "voice on Earth" as it were, which gave him power but not really leadership. They follow Ben only because he speaks for Jacob (who is dead?). He clearly feels threatened by Richard, maybe he is worried that if the others don't think they need him he will be killed. Or maybe the Others are starting to be skeptical of Ben's connection with Jacob. Ben has reason to keep Locke away from Richard and to shoot Locke if Locke can communicate with Jacob as well. Ben doesn't want Locke to replace him, which might be the twist at the end of this season.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    DarkUFO is now reporting that 3 of the deaths will be
    Charlie, Tom and Ryan (the security-type Other who barged in on Jack and Kate in Otherville)
    .

    He is also reporting that the other two deaths are
    both female and should be revealed shortly
    .

    This would mean that
    Sayid is safe for another year
    .


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    I thought Anthony Cooper was one of the deaths? That's what Ausiello said!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Faith wrote:
    I thought Anthony Cooper was one of the deaths? That's what Ausiello said!
    I thought so too but in the Zap2It interview which was done after The Brig the writers seemed to suggest otherwise:
    So you're not going to tell me who dies.

    Cuse: Well, at least five people die.

    Lindelof: But, you know, not like five major, major characters. But a couple of major characters.

    Cuse: I think probably if you're a close viewer of the show you could name all five people.

    http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2007/05/lost_producers_.html

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    DarkUFO is now reporting that 3 of the deaths will be
    Charlie, Tom and Ryan (the security-type Other who barged in on Jack and Kate in Otherville)
    .

    He is also reporting that the other two deaths are
    both female and should be revealed shortly
    .

    This would mean that
    Sayid is safe for another year
    .

    I heard that
    Tom
    had been confirmed for season 4. If this is true, then we have another false source and we're back to square one. Anyway, in the interview, Cuse and Lindelof claimed that it would be obvious for avid fans who the 5 deaths would be. How is
    Ryan
    obvious?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    They didn't exactly say they would be obvious, I think what they meant was they are characters we already know, i.e. not new characters. Though I still think some redshirts may be included in the 5.

    DarkUFO's spoilers are almost always true, I can't remember the last time he got something wrong. He's very careful differentiating between rumours and confirmed spoilers so it looks like this list is legit.

    Ausiello also said one side gets hit harder than the other.
    Two female deaths means it has to be two of the following:

    Kate (safe, despite rumours, recent talk show appearance confirms it)
    Juliet (safe, podcast comments strongly suggest she'll have future flashbacks)
    Sun (safe, she just bought a house in Hawaii, writers promised she won't die yet)
    Rousseau (safe, getting a flashback next season)
    Naomi (?? but word is she'll be back next season)
    Claire (possible but unlikely without a proper send off)
    Alex (strong contender imo)
    Penny
    Rose (I'm not so sure but Gregg Nations seemed to suggest she's safe too)
    Bonnie
    Greta

    These are confirmed characters from the finale press release. The last two are new (probably minor characters) who we'll meet next week.

    It's possible one or both of the deaths are in a flashback


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    In a flashback?! How would that work?

    I'm happy for any of the characters spoilered above to die really. I'm more a fan of the men than the women. As long as Sawyer and Ben stay alive, I'll be happy. I'd like Juliet to live too, if I could choose. Claire's completely useless afaic, so she can go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Faith wrote:
    In a flashback?! How would that work?

    I'm happy for any of the characters spoilered above to die really. I'm more a fan of the men than the women. As long as Sawyer and Ben stay alive, I'll be happy. I'd like Juliet to live too, if I could choose. Claire's completely useless afaic, so she can go.

    No way, Claire is the most important character on the show, we just haven't realised it yet. If it's Claire, I'll stop watching. I draw the line at Claire or Sawyer dying. Everybody else is fair game, but those two should always be in the show.
    I retract my earlier statement about DarkUFO being wrong. I visit his site every week and he is usually always right. I'll miss Tom, he was the best.


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