Ace of Aces (Low stakes... 50NL)

Dantes

I'd like to know what you guys think of how I played this hand. Its been annoying me for an hour or two now, I am basically worried I played it badly...

FullTiltPoker Game #2359621838: Table Doucette (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:01:33 ET - 2007/05/05
Seat 1: Hero ($62.65)
Seat 2: Villain ($101.85)
Seat 3: BB ($104.35)
Seat 4: UTG ($54.25)
Seat 5: UTG+1 ($38.35)
Seat 6: CO ($48)
Villain posts the small blind of $0.25
BB posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah As]
UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
CO folds
Hero raises to $1.75
Villain calls $1.50
BB folds
*** FLOP *** [9s 7c 8d]
Villain checks
Hero bets $3
Villain raises to $9.50
Hero calls $6.50
*** TURN *** [9s 7c 8d] [Qd]
Villain has 15 seconds left to act
Villain bets $14
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $14
*** RIVER *** [9s 7c 8d Qd] [5c]
Villain bets $76.60, and is all in


Hero? I have $39.20 left. This is a terrible board no? I CB the flop and get raised, I'm thinking oh oh spaghettio, JT immediately jumps to mind,
but I don';t think he would play a made straight this strong, perhaps a set?

I decide to call and re-evaluate turn, perhaps switching to C/C mode for rest of hand. Is this just spew?

Villain has been uber-aggro on all streets and I have been forced off a few hands with him previously at turn or river stage.

He knows I can lay down a hand and in this case I think he is taking advantage of this.
His stats are TAG, I think 21/18 over 200 hands, AF is around 4 or 5.

Now I guess what I'm asking is, is the turn a fold? or even is the flop a fold? Did I make a mistake here? I guess its read-based yeah?

I remember my spidey senses tingling at the turn bet, thinking something was up.

And the river, a fold or a call based purely on odds roughly = 2/1

Results later...

Marq

Fold turn.

insafehands

I'd re-raise the flop to $25-30, but I'm sh1t.

phantom_lord

fold turn. fold river.

connie147

phantom_lord wrote:

fold turn. fold river.

Your not advocating a fold to the reraise on the flop, so what did the turn bring that has changed the scenario to a fold?

Im predominately a tourney player starting to dip my feet in the cash game side of things so its a genuine question.

a-k-47

Raise more PF.

I know its hard to lay aces on that flop to a re raises, hand range is so wide here to many hands that are crushing you here. Sometimes a call and revaluate the turn depending on player he could be re raising here with the lone 10... result?

Hectorjelly

connie147 wrote:

Your not advocating a fold to the reraise on the flop, so what did the turn bring that has changed the scenario to a fold?

Im predominately a tourney player starting to dip my feet in the cash game side of things so its a genuine question.

I think folding the flop is better, but standard play in these situations is to call a reraise on the flop and fold to any further aggression. Thats because the raise on the flop can be any number of hands, just finding out if we have AK, or trying a cheap bluff. If he bets the turn big he is really saying he has a big hand and wants to play a massive pot. In that case we are better off folding.

The reason I think we are better of folding the flop is you cant really trust players not to fire another bullet on the turn, and there are a lot of cards that make it hard for us to call any bet.


Edit: just to add, the important thing is that the pot is very small compared to our stack on the flop. If the raise was all in I would call it every time, but if much more money goes into this pot we will nearly always be behind.

dvdfan

His stats say hes a solid agressive player but hes AF is very high and youve said

"Villain has been uber-aggro on all streets and I have been forced off a few hands with him previously at turn or river stage"

You wouldnt expect him to be calling here OOP with JTs or 56s although its possible if he thinks he can get you to fold a better hand again and i dont think the Q helped him on the turn by the way the hand was played on the flop.

If you fold this hand hes probably just going to run over you, if your going to make a stand i think nows the time, i know its a draw heavy board but it dosent fit his range. Of course you wouldnt be posting this if you won the hand so i think it was just unlucky, giving the play if i had to put him on a hand id say probably Pocket 6's.

If he hadnt pushed you off hands already id say fold but in this case i think you need to stand your ground and let him know you wont be pushed off hands.

dvdfan

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think folding the flop is better, but standard play in these situations is to call a reraise on the flop and fold to any further aggression. Thats because the raise on the flop can be any number of hands, just finding out if we have AK, or trying a cheap bluff. If he bets the turn big he is really saying he has a big hand and wants to play a massive pot. In that case we are better off folding.

The reason I think we are better of folding the flop is you cant really trust players not to fire another bullet on the turn, and there are a lot of cards that make it hard for us to call any bet.


Edit: just to add, the important thing is that the pot is very small compared to our stack on the flop. If the raise was all in I would call it every time, but if much more money goes into this pot we will nearly always be behind.

How much weight would you give to the fact that hes said "hes been ubber aggressive on all streets" and "I have been forced off a few hands with him previously at turn or river stage"

would this not make us think hes just bullying us off another hand on that draw heavy board expecting us to fold. i did say in my post above JTs wouldnt be in his range but i suppose it could well be from SB. So you think we'd be better off waiting for a better spot??

Hectorjelly

dvdfan wrote:

How much weight would you give to the fact that hes said "hes been ubber aggressive on all streets" and "I have been forced off a few hands with him previously at turn or river stage"

would this not make us think hes just bullying us off another hand on that draw heavy board expecting us to fold. i did say in my post above JTs wouldnt be in his range but i suppose it could well be from SB. So you think we'd be better off waiting for a better spot??

I gave my advice having just read the hand history (probably a mistake). Given the extra info then calling down can be good. If a player seems to bluff too much I would definitely consider calling here.

Dantes

After reading these replies I didn't want to post the results, as in isolation, if I was to read this hand history, I would say I was spewing chips but here goes:

Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $37.40, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $39.20 returned to Villain
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villain shows [Jd Ad] (Ace Queen high)
Hero shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins the pot ($122.80) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $125.80 | Rake $3
Board: [9s 7c 8d Qd 5c]
Seat 1: Hero (button) showed [Ah As] and won ($122.80) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Villain (small blind) showed [Jd Ad] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 3: BB (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: UTG didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: UTG+1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CO didn't bet (folded)

Thank you all for your replies, I made the call to make a stand against his aggression, probably also a little because I overvalue pairs!! and also because I couldn't put him on JT.

I am still undecided, I suppose its hard to explain, but at the time I went with my read, and I committed to it, on this occasion it turned out to be right, I've thinking it over lots and I suppose by the numbers its definitely a fold, on nearly all streets, but its one of those reads I had to listen to.

Bad play, good result.

Marq

betting the blockers: my kind of player.

Heisenberg.

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dvdfan

Dantes wrote:

Bad play, good result.

I think it was a good call with the read you have on him. If you hadnt called him im sure there would have been a few notes been taken at that table like "easily pushed off a hand with agression" well at that level not too many will be taking notes but you know what i mean;)

Against a player with Agression stats in the 0-2 region on all streets i think id be folding the turn alright on that board but i think it would be a mistake in this case.

How did he play against you after this or did he buy back in??

Dantes

The guy totally dropped his aggression against me, and I managed to stack him with Aces when he had Kings, poor bastid must be cursing my name!!