Who WOULD you vote for?

jb91

Move this if it's in the wrong place but I thought this was the most [/only] relevant place to put it...







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PurpleFistMixer

Sinn Féin

Well this is not so much a forum for young people as a forum for Junior Cert related things... so try and make it a BIT related to the JC!

You know... CSPE or something...

cork*girl

PDs

fine gael all the way! enda kenny is sum ledge

philologos

Other

^^ I totally disagree with his policy on changing the way Irish should be taught at secondary level.

I will be voting Sinn Féin. Turned 18 two weeks ago and chucked in my form to be added onto the voting register today.

qwertplaywert

however gets me bb fastest......:D

jb91

PDs

cork*girl wrote:

fine gael all the way! enda kenny is sum ledge

Agreed - and if he wins I won't need a translator to contact the taoiseach anymore.

I can't link this to the JC. I suggest they set up a "Random Affairs affecting those under 18" forum. A Fine Gael suggestion, (c) 2007, All rights reserved.



EDIT : I've suggested it to the JC mod



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zonEEE

PDs

blue shirts are winning atm eh

jb91

PDs

Quit living in the past :rolleyes:

timmywex

I wouldn't vote

i like fine gael policy on making irish optional for the leavng cert (love it actually) but did i hear they want to cut the summer holidays down a bit??

philologos

Other

^ I consider FG's policy on making Irish optional for the Leaving Cert to be cultural suicide.

superdudeman007

PDs

Jakkass wrote:

^ I consider FG's policy on making Irish optional for the Leaving Cert to be cultural suicide.

I don't fully agree with it either but I've never been in a situation where I've actually needed Irish. I'd keep it up anyway but they shouldn't force anyone to.

philologos

Other

I don't see how Irish culture can be fostered and kept alive if the Irish language isn't taught. Anglicisation will be complete when our language has gone down the tube.

zonEEE

PDs

most people are learning Irish for about 13 years (8 and 5) and allot of people can barely speak irish after the leave school so.....

philologos

Other

change the course then, don't make it optional.

qwertplaywert

imo,if it was made opitional, then people might decide to learn it for themselfs, and i can see more fluent irish speaking people in the country that way

Rozabeez

Catherine Murphy ftw, can't beat her with her independence.

philologos

Other

qwertplaywert wrote:

imo,if it was made opitional, then people might decide to learn it for themselfs, and i can see more fluent irish speaking people in the country that way

How can more people decide to take it than ever before, if it is going to be made optional? Doesn't make any clearcut sense. I don't see what the problem is in having to take Irish, as it is our national language and the language of the State. Personally if it were gone, our national pride would be on the way out the door too.

Mind you if it were to be passed, I don't think the Bill would get through the Dáil.

Acid_Violet

Sinn Féin

Jakkass wrote:

change the course then, don't make it optional.

Agreed.

I'm don't mean to be rude or offensive but why on earth would anyone vote for Fine Gael?

JSK 252

PDs

Acid_Violet wrote:

Agreed.

I'm don't mean to be rude or offensive but why on earth would anyone vote for Fine Gael?

Because if anyone had any bit of f****** sense they would vote anyone but fianna fail. What have they done for us? Nothing but broken promises.

Enda for government!

I love the way he said that if he gets into government and doesnt fufill his promises that he wont go for election next time around.

On the subject of elections, Im going canvassing with Simon Coveney (Fine Gael TD and MEP) at 3.30 for work experience.

My message for all of you out there is this:

Be ambitious for what is possible. Its your future. Be part of it.

philologos

Other

In fairness Fianna Fáil have encouraged business growth in the country by introducing a lower rate of corporation tax and they are pretty much on schedule with the road scheme. The problems I have with Fianna Fáil are, their outright support of the War on Terror, and their support of the USA. If Sinn Féin, Labour or the People not Profit Alliance (not likely) got into government, they would be certain to boot them out.

Acid_Violet

Sinn Féin

JSK 252 wrote:

Because if anyone had any bit of f****** sense they would vote anyone but fianna fail. What have they done for us? Nothing but broken promises.

Enda for government!

I love the way he said that if he gets into government and doesnt fufill his promises that he wont go for election next time around.

Like what broken promises?

Do you not realise that politicians come out with crap like that solely to get your vote? (in reference to Enda Kenny's claim that he won't go for election next time around if he doesn't fulfill his promises.) If he doesn't 'fulfill his promises' than he'll claim that he has fulfilled them for the majority of the electorate and the majority of people who voted for him etc. etc., politicians are whores! They'll do anything for your vote! How naive are you? What promises has Kenny made so? What's Fine Gael's record of delivering when they're in government?

cork*girl

PDs

Acid_Violet wrote:

Like what broken promises?

Do you not realise that politicians come out with crap like that solely to get your vote? (in reference to Enda Kenny's claim that he won't go for election next time around if he doesn't fulfill his promises.) If he doesn't 'fulfill his promises' than he'll claim that he has fulfilled them for the majority of the electorate and the majority of people who voted for him etc. etc., politicians are whores! They'll do anything for your vote! How naive are you? What promises has Kenny made so? What's Fine Gael's record of delivering when they're in government?

shut up

PurpleFistMixer

Sinn Féin

And your post, cork*girl is contributing exactly what to the thread...?

jb91

PDs

Jakkass wrote:

I don't see what the problem is in having to take Irish, as it is our national language and the language of the State.

I agree that it should be made optional but I also feel that it should be used in a way that people in this country feel like they actually need their own language. If you go to France, you won't get by without French. If you go to Conamara, you'll meet people who don't speak Irish :rolleyes:

They need to bring in laws so certain media (signs, billboards etc) have to be bilingual or Irish only. Then people will see that the language is alive and they'll feel the need to learn it. And they can't call it the national language if it's not used in the Dáil, Seanad etc, or on TV (except TG4 and RTE on Paddy's Day).

On the other hand, some people who can't be expected to have any Irish are being forced into it. My friend's dad works for an engineering company so their family has lived in South Africa and a lot of countries in Europe. He had to do Irish for the LC because he did it briefly in Primary school.

And if people want to drop any of English, Irish or Maths they should be allowed to. If they don't want to go to college they shouldn't have to suffer through exams.




(Is it too late to run? )

philologos

Other

Making it optional won't make you feel like you need it. Infact it will make it more irrelevant. The only way to make it needed, is to do what the Zionists did with Hebrew in Israel. Use it as the defacto language of state. It worked for them and now millions speak it. that won't be happening in Ireland. The way other countries have succeeded in reviving a language is by making it compulsory at all levels of human interaction, and as I said that isn't really possible with Ireland.

jb91

PDs

Jakkass wrote:

Making it optional won't make you feel like you need it. Infact it will make it more irrelevant. The only way to make it needed, is to do what the Zionists did with Hebrew in Israel. Use it as the defacto language of state. It worked for them and now millions speak it. that won't be happening in Ireland. The way other countries have succeeded in reviving a language is by making it compulsory at all levels of human interaction, and as I said that isn't really possible with Ireland.

They can stop publishing documents in English and take down all the English signage

philologos

Other

Then they'll have more than 95+% of the population unable to speak the defacto language effectively.

jb91

PDs

So they'll learn it :rolleyes:

And we've survived 10 years with a taoiseach who can't condemn any wrongdoing but still does his best for the country "wherever I be" so we should be grand

JSK 252

PDs

cork*girl wrote:

shut up

Thanks for sticking up for me.

Us Corkonians should stick together.

JSK 252

PDs

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

And your post, cork*girl is contributing exactly what to the thread...?

Shes backing me up actually.

PurpleFistMixer

Sinn Féin

Maybe it's just me, but I always thought to back someone up you had to say a little more than "shut up". Those two words, to me at any rate, seem to have no purpose other than displaying her own inability to participate in a civilised debate or discussion.

Timans

Jakkass wrote:

^^ I totally disagree with his policy on changing the way Irish should be taught at secondary level.

I will be voting Sinn Féin. Turned 18 two weeks ago and chucked in my form to be added onto the voting register today.

Ra Head.

philologos

Other

merely out of choice of the other candidates I think the SF one is the best from reading hers and the SF policy.

Timans

Read Above.

philologos

Other

Also what makes the Greens so attractive as a party?

JSK 252

PDs

Acid_Violet wrote:

Like what broken promises?

Do you not realise that politicians come out with crap like that solely to get your vote? (in reference to Enda Kenny's claim that he won't go for election next time around if he doesn't fulfill his promises.) If he doesn't 'fulfill his promises' than he'll claim that he has fulfilled them for the majority of the electorate and the majority of people who voted for him etc. etc., politicians are whores! They'll do anything for your vote! How naive are you? What promises has Kenny made so? What's Fine Gael's record of delivering when they're in government?

Like what broken promises? Are you actually trying to be funny? Lets see....:

Promised End Hospital Waiting Lists
Reality 29,000 still waiting

Promised Close Prison Revolving Door
Reality 3,000 out on early release

Promised 200,000 extra medical cards
Reality Under 40,000 delivered

Promised Primary class sizes below 20
Reality 110,000 in classes over 30

Promised 2,000 extra Gardaí
Reality Under 1,200 delivered

Promised Metro to Dublin Airport
Reality Not even started

Promised 3,000 new hospital beds
Reality Under 1,000 delivered

Promised Value for money in Government projects
Reality PPARS, M50, E-voting ( What a shambles )

Promised "World class" health service
Reality Health Service in shambles

On a local issue which is linked to my constituency ( Cork South Central ):

The promise by Transport minister Martin Cullen that Cork Airport's new terminal would be debt free. Reality Cork Airport is not debt free and is struggling to make its self competitive with its other airport counterparts.

Do you not realise that politicians come out with crap like that solely to get your vote? (in reference to Enda Kenny's claim that he won't go for election next time around if he doesn't fulfill his promises.)[/QUOTE]

And do you not realise how much crap Bertie Ahern has come out with in the past 10 years?

If he doesn't 'fulfill his promises' than he'll claim that he has fulfilled them for the majority of the electorate and the majority of people who voted for him etc. etc., politicians are whores![/QUOTE]

I think you interpreted that wrong. If he only fufills his promises for the majority of people who voted for him then technically he would have not fufilled his promises for the entire country and he has strongly admitted that he would resign if he didnt keep his promises for the ENTIRE country.

politicians are whores![/QUOTE]

There is no need to be rude and uncouth. Some honest politicans are actually trying to make a difference in our society and you are throwing it back in their faces with that sick and vulgar language your using.

They'll do anything for your vote! How naive are you? What promises has Kenny made so? What's Fine Gael's record of delivering when they're in government?[/QUOTE]

Have you got a problem with the political party I support? How am I being niave. Im baffled to be quite honest.

Kennys promises are:

- Free health insurance for every child under 16, and
- Free GP visits for every child under five.
- 2,300 more hospital beds as we have committed to delivering with the Labour Party.
- Beds that will get you and the people you love off trolleys and give them the medical attention they deserve.

-2,000 more Gardaí, fully trained on the streets.

Our Contract for a Better Ireland ( Which Enda Kenny has officially signed) will give you:
- Tougher sentences for criminals.
- Those who do the crime, will do the time. ( I love that one)
- No more automatic reduction of sentences.

- Lower income taxes for every taxpayer - every taxpayer.
- Specific relief to families where someone stays home to care for a child or a parent.
- An end to Stamp Duty as we know it. Lower rates for everyone. They will abolish stamp duty for almost all first-time buyers.

Thats just to name a few. But they are the main ones.

Piste

I wouldn't vote

I'm going to allow this thread seeing as it's sparked some lively debating and also the General Election will more than likely come up on the CSPE paper this year.

Jakkass wrote:

Also what makes the Greens so attractive as a party?

Because their main concern is a hot topic, the environment. Also they have no clear-cut policy on much else so people have nothing really to disagree with and just kinda project their own views onto them.


If I were voting I'd vote anyone but Sinn Féin. That Christ Andrews fella of FF has a lovely smile, I'd vote for him.

philologos

Other

Piste wrote:

Because their main concern is a hot topic, the environment. Also they have no clear-cut policy on much else so people have nothing really to disagree with and just kinda project their own views onto them.


If I were voting I'd vote anyone but Sinn Féin. That Christ Andrews fella of FF has a lovely smile, I'd vote for him.

Yes, but what about the environment. it's still disputed among scientists whether carbon dioxide emissions are really the cause of global warming. They said that there was going to be another Ice Age 50 years ago because a cooling down in the earths temperatures. How far should we take this notion. An effective party for government should have a policy on absolutely everything.
Why Sinn Féin? I've explained that the candidate seems to be much better than the other ones in my constituency, Dublin Mid-West. They have a decent policy for how we should get a United Ireland. They are set on building an Ireland of equals, and for encouraging integration of foreigners into Irish society. A very good policy in relation to how we should handle the Irish language. A brilliant policy in International Affairs, regarding helping people in struggle such as the Palestinians (who are being oppressed by IDF forces in the West Bank and Gaza), and the Basques. They oppose the War on Terror and you can be certain that they would boot the US Military out of Shannon altogether.
I don't see why people hold such a notion of Sinn Féin, they have put the guns behind them at this point, and they have gained legitimacy. It's people sticking to stereotypical views about them that are the ones who wouldn't consider voting for them.

PurpleFistMixer

Sinn Féin

Or maybe people don't want Sinn Féin because they don't like their policies? : p

I'd vote for the Greens because I imagine as a party they'd be the most likely to keep trees in the city. And I agree with their principles. Pro-environment, anti-big business, and anti-exploitation.

If I was voting I'd research every party in detail but at a glance, the greens seem the best.

philologos

Other

If they looked at their policies they would be "considering".

Jakkass wrote:

and they have gained legitimacy. It's people sticking to stereotypical views about them that are the ones who wouldn't consider voting for them.

cork*girl

PDs

JSK 252 wrote:

Thanks for sticking up for me.

Us Corkonians should stick together.

all the way

JSK 252

PDs

Acid_Violet wrote:

Like what broken promises?

Do you not realise that politicians come out with crap like that solely to get your vote? (in reference to Enda Kenny's claim that he won't go for election next time around if he doesn't fulfill his promises.) If he doesn't 'fulfill his promises' than he'll claim that he has fulfilled them for the majority of the electorate and the majority of people who voted for him etc. etc., politicians are whores! They'll do anything for your vote! How naive are you? What promises has Kenny made so? What's Fine Gael's record of delivering when they're in government?

I forgot to answer your last question so you cant catch me out on that. Im too clever for that carry on.

What Fine Gael achieved in Government:

- Achieved a current budget surplus for the first time.
- Created 1,000 jobs a week.
- Had the lowest inflation rate in Europe.
- Agreed Partnership 2000, which meant 1.27 billion euro in tax cuts in the
1997 - 1999 period.

- Increased the number of Gardai by 1,500.
- Established a dedicated Air Support Unit for the Gardai.
- Established the Criminal Assets Bureau.
- Increased prison spaces by one - third.
- Legislated 21 new Judges (up 25%).

- Dramatically reduced hospital waiting lists.
- Published a National Alcohol Policy.
- Fully implemented the Child Care Act.
- Launched a National Cancer Plan.
- Established the National Task Force on Suicide.
- Developed services for people with physical and sensory disabilities.
- Provided additional money for Mental Health Services.

- Abolished Third Level Fees.

So there you go Acid Violet. I have answered all your questions as accurately as possible.

Jello

Sinn Féin

Greens ftw. Followed by FG, then Labour.

JSK 252

PDs

Please dont allow this debate to die down.

I love this stuff when Im totally bored.

Great craic.

philologos

Other

JSK 252 perhaps you should have explained what is in the "National Alcohol Policy", and all those other fancy documents you have listed there, so that we might know if they aren't just a load of rubbish written on paper?

JSK 252

PDs

Jakkass wrote:

JSK 252 perhaps you should have explained what is in the "National Alcohol Policy", and all those other fancy documents you have listed there, so that we might know if they aren't just a load of rubbish written on paper?

No problem at all, at all, at all. I will be glad to explain it to you my good friend.

Basically Ireland adopted and endorsed the European Charter of Alcohol which was designed and implemented by the European Union. The charter makes it necessary that each government in the E.U will come up with a national policy on alcohol which lists ten areas of health promotion that need to be addressed. According to the charter, governments must:

-Regulate the availability of alcohol
-Discourage drink driving
-Ensure effective treatment services for those adversely affected by alcohol
-Protect public, private and working environments from damage caused by alcohol
-Implement control on alcohol promotions
-Foster responsibility in the alcohol beverage industry
-Provide information and education about the potential dangers of alcohol
-Enhance society's capacity to respond to alcohol harm
-Support non-governmental organisations that try to prevent or reduce alcohol-related harm
-Formulate a broad-based national alcohol policy and monitor progress.

philologos

Other

As a European Union state surely we had to adopt it, as with all European Union laws and directives? meaning that anyone in government would have implemented it.

JSK 252

PDs

Jakkass wrote:

As a European Union state surely we had to adopt it, as with all European Union laws and directives? meaning that anyone in government would have implemented it.

Ireland ENDORSED the EU Alcohol charter. It was up to the government at the time if they wanted to follow the charter or not. They didnt have to if they didnt want to. Fortunately they did.

If Ireland were to endorse the charter they had to follow what was laid down by the EU. Just in the same way as a business who takes up a franchise. eg. Mcdonalds. Certain criteria have to be set.

philologos

Other

But when an EU law is passed, it has to be adopted in all EU countries. If this classifies as a law.

JSK 252

PDs

Jakkass wrote:

But when an EU law is passed, it has to be adopted in all EU countries. If this classifies as a law.

Not neccesarily. But I understand where your coming from.

E.U countries are expected to follow directives. They dont have to if they dont want to. Its common courtesy they do.

philologos

Other

The EU legal system of the Commission, Council of Ministers, and the European Parliament, requires all the EU states to adopt any laws passed there within 12 months of them being passed in European Parliament. One has to comply with EU law to be part of the union. So Ireland would have had to adopt that piece of legislation if it were passed through the European Union as such. (I've just done it in LC Business )