KKK on Flop, extracting max value

Mellor

About ten hands into a 10 seat STT.
Villian hasn't played a hand to showdown yet, he hung around in a previous hand intil river, calling bets the whole way and folded to a river push.

This isnt the regular "getting involved with the wrong hand and in a tough spot on the river". For a while now i've felt that a big leak in my game has been not getting value from my top hands. I normally give villian too much credit for a strong hand, make a large bet and force them out.
What would be an optimum line in this hand.

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6 (Button) daniello1 ($2370)
7 scorpionmarchiss ($1460)
8 moksteri ($1460)
10 scholesy18 ($1460)
1 Villian ($1280)
2 aufzuckerter ($1480)
3 cesarroma ($2750)
4 Greenh ($1120)
5 Hero ($1620)

Preflop: Hero is in seat 5 with K K
1 fold, Villian raises to 120, 3 folds, Hero calls 120, 1 fold, scorpionmarchiss calls 110, 1 fold.

Flop (380) 6 K J
scorpionmarchiss checks, Villian bets 80, Hero calls 80, 1 fold.

Turn (540) 5
Villian bets 60, Hero ???

BrandonBlock

[Edit] Actually, just gonna reply to asking what ya should do at the turn. You 100% have the stronger hand, raise him. He needs a river card to beat you..

Flushdraw

I dont like any of your play so far in this hand.

Mellor

Flushdraw wrote:

I dont like any of your play so far in this hand.

Care to take it a bit further than that

Mellor

BrandonBlock wrote:

[Edit] Actually, just gonna reply to asking what ya should do at the turn. You 100% have the stronger hand, raise him. He needs a river card to beat you..

Thank you for pointing out that I am holding the current nuts, I am aware of that,
My question related to how to get max value, I am ahead of every hand now, i'd ship it if i knew I was getting called, but most likely a fold, i want chips, not pots

BrandonBlock

Well just ask yourself whats he waiting for, straight, flush, etc and how much hes willing to risk for it? You know the villian better than us

Flushdraw

Mellor wrote:

Care to take it a bit further than that

I'd raise preflop, I'd raise the flop and i'm raising the turn

Mellor

To be honest, 95% of the time I raise throughout,
but decided to slowplay for value for a change.
Im not taking it slow anyfurther than the turn.

Raise the turn, how much?

Flushdraw

Mellor wrote:

To be honest, 95% of the time I raise throughout,
but decided to slowplay for value for a change.
Im not taking it slow anyfurther than the turn.

Raise the turn, how much?

I make it about 400. You dont want to mess around with small bets now.

bottom feeder

the call pre-flop looks fine to me,
but i would have raised the flop 'deffo' with another guy to act after you and spades out there as well, maybe raise to 300..
and raise the turn - put him all in.... <

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[if he called the 300 bet on flop]

valor

preflop is fine as a variation but your flat call on the flop is horrible for a few reasons - its not getting value, its keeping the pot very small when we want to be all in and its letting your opponents draw for almost free on a really drawy board

as played, definitely pump the turn. Id make it 500 or so

Hitman Actual

With those stacks I don't mind the call preflop. But you have to find a way to get the money in, so raise the flop. This will also make any flush-draws pay for their draw, as the 80 flop bet means they are effectively pricing themselves in (looks like a sort of blocking bet, although I doubt the flop leader knew that). Raise turn now and hope to get the money in.

Edit: lol, almost exactly what valor said; I didn't copy him, I swear!

Mellor

I know i messed up the flop, I felt i got away with it,
I raised the turn, about half the pot giving him 3/1, and he calls

Rive was a 10d
Villain bets 60

valor

shove

bottom feeder

Mellor wrote:

I know i messed up the flop, I felt i got away with it,
I raised the turn, about half the pot giving him 3/1, and he calls

Rive was a 10d
Villain bets 60

would be so funny if he had AQ s.....

Mellor

to be honest I didn't find it funny at all.
Actually, the river was 10 spades not diamonds,
so i flat called the 60 and he turns over AsQd
gut shot on the river,

valor

this should be a lesson to you in putting in more money on earlier streets

bottom feeder

Mellor wrote:

to be honest I didn't find it funny at all.
Actually, the river was 10 spades not diamonds,
so i flat called the 60 and he turns over AsQd
gut shot on the river,

its not that funny really....... [sorry ]
But to be honest M, i feel you didn't put him under enough pressure on the earlier streets...

Anyway UL Mellor