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Krav Maga or MMA in classes in Dublin Southside?

  • 26-04-2007 07:24AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 9


    Hiya,
    Came across this site whilst doing some research & feel like its the optimal way of finding out what i need to know. Trying to find somewhere in Dublin southside that does either krav maga (preferrably) or else MMA classes. Its been a while since I've been in Dublin & coming back from a long time living abroad leaves me absolutely clueless :confused: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Hey! Welcome on board!

    There's a world of difference between KM and MMA in my opinion. I'd recommend MMA style training, as it has more athleticism to it and is pressure tested more often.

    Millionaire, who posts here, will tell you about the standard of KM in Ireland from his perspective I'm sure, and he's a KM enthusiast.

    As far as classes go you have Next Generation in Loughlinstown under the insanely strong Dave Jones; Fianna Gym under in Sandyford under the insanely conditioned Pearse Stokes, and Spartan MMA in Firhouse under the just pure insane me :) There's also Three Castles MMA in Tallaght/Clondalkin under Dylan Costigan (couldn't think of a unique insane reference there)

    All of these guys post here so if you give your location we'll be able to provide you with times etc.

    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Im2Lazy


    Hi kmac20in,

    Welcome to Boards.

    Patrick Cumiskey Teaches KM next to Stephen's Green shopping centre, KM does have a bad rep on here but I think Patrick is an excellent instructor.
    Here's his website: http://www.kravmagaireland.com

    MMA: John Kavangh BJJ black belt has his gym SBG(Straight Blast Gym) in Rathcoole if you can make it out to there he's it's probably the best gym in the country to train MMA. Most of the guys Colm mentioned including himself started training in MMA with John.

    Not sure if John still does this (he can correct me as he post here) he previously did a free 1to1 training introduction which covers his Gym's training methods & ideas. I'd highly recommend it!
    http://www.sbgireland.com/

    You should probably consider what you're looking for from your training.
    Have you done either KM or MMA before?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Millionaire


    Once KM is pressure tested full contact then your on the right track.

    Have a look at the photo here, that is an example, full contact with gear to protect from injury (its near impossible to get 100% real to street self defence in training, so this is one version that is pretty close)

    http://www.isayeret.com/guides/kravmaga.htm

    I have converted to Tactical Krav Maga which is a very simple version of KM, has alot less techniques, and we're not concerned how a technique looks, as long as it works. www.tacticalkravmaga.com.au
    but this version of KM is not available in ireland. I teach in Thailand.

    We do similar drills to the one in the picture.

    MMA is real good too. If you after Self Defence concentrate on the striking end of MMA...ala Muay Thai..especially punches, elbows, knees...and get sparring in.

    On difference btwn combat sport sparring and the street style sparring of Tactical KM...is you pace yourself in the sport...say in Muay Thai to last 5 rounds, if you do not go for an early KO. while street full contact sparring is a complete 60 seconds of full on non stop attack, you are luck if you can last 60 seconds... 30 secs of full on, really gets you.

    I back my KM with with Muay Thai, and i am learning grappling, I find the grappling a real challenge and my teacher says a year to 18 months to get it flowing...so I am prepared to put the time in.

    Drills for street are great, but if your not getting into some form of sparring your cheating yourself.

    Personally I like KM, if it is trained hard and in all ranges.

    I just re qualified as a Tactical Krav Maga Instructor and I am going to be their Instructor for Thailand.

    This is the Founder of Tactical KM, who also backs it up with MMA.

    He developed Tactical Krav Maga while serving 9 years in YAMAM, then was unarmed instructor for them and other units for a few years. So he has real hands on experience. :-0
    its a very simple system...reminds me off Geoff Thompson...hit first, hit hard, hit fast, keep hitting until their down.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAMAM

    Some vids of him doing MMA training...


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbSxL3-S_1w

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=336117900677525538&q=Itay+Gil&hl=en


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 kmac20in


    Guys,

    A sincere thank you for yere responses so far, am blown away by yere contributions! It's pretty obvious yee guys know yere stuff and are really into MA.

    Have done jujitsu for a few years and only a few months of KM before i had to travel abroad for work. So when i do relocate to Dublin in a few weeks I will definately explore getting back into it. I did create a likening to KM but I do have an open mind and MMA sounds wicked aswell.

    To be honest im liking the sound of both - so many pro's to each of them - Tactical KM sounds class - unfortunate that it aint in Ireland yet. MMA is something that i will def want to try out.

    Just wondering which classes offer the most hands-on, as in the most hardcore training, would prefer to throw myself into the deep end - so to speak.

    Once again, thank you!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭kravist


    Millionaire, who posts here, will tell you about the standard of KM in Ireland from his perspective I'm sure, and he's a KM enthusiast.


    Too bloody right Millionaire will throw in his two penny's worth..and has done! But fair play to you Gerry..not the usual approach which is refreshing.


    Colm......for a second there i thought KM in Ireland was going to be given Equal Oppertunity....amazing i can still be so naieve!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Colm......for a second there i thought KM in Ireland was going to be given Equal Oppertunity....amazing i can still be so naieve!!

    Well I've never witnessed or heard report of anything that would convince me otherwise so...
    Just wondering which classes offer the most hands-on, as in the most hardcore training, would prefer to throw myself into the deep end - so to speak.

    The Agoge - my kids class would be the toughest around, pity you're an adult!

    All of us spar or do resistance drills for most of our classes, so you'll get a workout in them all. I'd suggest giving each a go, what can you lose?

    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭SorGan


    kmac20in wrote:
    Hiya,
    Came across this site whilst doing some research & feel like its the optimal way of finding out what i need to know. Trying to find somewhere in Dublin southside that does either krav maga (preferrably) or else MMA classes. Its been a while since I've been in Dublin & coming back from a long time living abroad leaves me absolutely clueless :confused: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you
    try..
    http://www.kravmaga.ie/
    and
    http://www.kravmagaireland.com/
    both dublin based.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭David Jones


    Just wondering which classes offer the most hands-on, as in the most hardcore training, would prefer to throw myself into the deep end - so to speak.

    Well you are more than welcome to try a free class at next generation plus if you choose Thursday night "Fight Class" and make it through every round and every exercise repetition you can have your first month free, although we have been open 5 years this summer and have had "Fight Class" for 3 of those and I have never had to honour that free month :D

    Seriously though any of the places suggested will be both hard core and realistic , thats what we are all about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭kravist


    Well I've never witnessed or heard report of anything that would convince me otherwise so...



    Colm
    Lmao..typical...hear what you want to hear and then as a moderator, therafter block whom ever might contradict your opinion!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭SorGan


    kravist wrote:
    Lmao..typical...hear what you want to hear and then as a moderator, therafter block whom ever might contradict your opinion!
    :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    kravist wrote:
    Lmao..typical...hear what you want to hear and then as a moderator, therafter block whom ever might contradict your opinion!

    Can you provide evidence of how I've blocked someone?

    If you feel I have abused my role as moderator you could contact the feedback forum or PM an SMod or Admin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    Colm has never abused his position as Moderator, cheap trolling attempt Kravist, personal attacks are bannable offences on these boards you know. How ironic it would be if you attacking him about banning people resulted in your banning :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭kravist


    Well..im only quoting what i've heard so...

    (This is in fact the truth.....but i will concede, it was a cheap shot and aoplogise for it!
    However......equally cheap was your shot at KM standards here in Ireland.
    To say you've never "heard report" of otherwise i believe in as untruth. As moderator, you've surely read posts from various people praising the work done at www.kravmaga.ie!!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Millionaire


    Here Here!

    All for Krav Maga will Full out Training!

    Tactical Krav Maga HQ

    Tactical Krav Maga Self Defence Thailand

    Bangkok Krav Maga Self Defence

    Pattaya Thailand Self Defense Krav Maga Martial Arts

    Plug Plug... I need to pimp this lads...I m sure ya all understand! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    YouTube vid on Urban Tactical / Krav-Maga

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgeU312nTH0&mode=related&search=

    Well BJJers, what do you think ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭ShaneT


    If you'll be living on the South Side you'd be mad not to take Dave Jones up on his offer. If your heading in to town; you're more than welcome to pop down to us for a few visits: www.mmaireland.com

    -S.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    ShaneT,

    Watch it or you'll get banned, he said Southside, not Northside! :D
    Well BJJers, what do you think ?
    A lot of compliant drills, no sparring. The techniques were not too dissimilar to Kenpo ones I used to train. I've never personally been able to utilise a wrist lock to move someone around or know anyone who I've personally witnessed to be able to do it in a non compliant atmosphere.

    Right at the end, with the guy running out the building and the others pushing him back with kick pads is real fun, I do that with my kids and call it "gauntlet"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    O'Leprosy wrote:
    YouTube vid on Urban Tactical / Krav-Maga

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgeU312nTH0&mode=related&search=

    Well BJJers, what do you think ?
    I OBJECT!

    Why did you say "Well BJJers"? Why not, "Well, anyone with a critical viewpoint"? Its a grand video, and I'd say they had fun on their roadtrip around that Industrial Estate, but its not really "pressure testing" for the most part is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭ShaneT


    ShaneT,

    Watch it or you'll get banned, he said Southside, not Northside! :D
    LOL! :D How's it going Colm?

    We're in town; so we're neither north nor south. Still think he'd bad mad not to take Dave up on his offer though (assuming he'll be living near Loughlinstown). ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    ShaneT wrote:
    We're in town; so we're neither north nor south.
    Oh Shane, you still have much to learn in the ways of the Liffey. We own from the bridge back, never concede a yard or before you know it we'll all be drinking decaf lattés and calling our children Fuinneog.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭ShaneT


    Roper wrote:
    ...never concede a yard or before you know it we'll all be drinking decaf lattés and calling our children Fuinneog.
    :D You may own south of the Liffey... but I own... Um... I own... well... East Wall... 915.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    ShaneT wrote:
    :D You may own south of the Liffey... but I own... Um... I own... well... East Wall... 915.gif
    What a faux pas Shane! I'm a Northsider!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭ShaneT


    Roper wrote:
    What a faux pas Shane! I'm a Northsider!
    Holy Crap! So you are!

    Wait up. So, Dave own's the south. You own the north. What do I get? :(

    See.. this is what I get for being Johnny foreigner! :mad:

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Clive


    Barry's not a real Northsider anyway. Everyone knows that "da Nortsoide" ends at the Five Lamps, everything after that is "de cunntry"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    MMA makes you big and strong. Chicks dig MMA. Chicks dig big a strong men. The choice is clearly obvious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Clive wrote:
    Barry's not a real Northsider anyway. Everyone knows that "da Nortsoide" ends at the Five Lamps, everything after that is "de cunntry"
    I'm worse now I'm living in De North County, but I'm not married to my cousin so I don't fit in that well. Its true, if theres a field between the city and you, thats out in the country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭kravist


    dlofnep wrote:
    MMA makes you big and strong. Chicks dig MMA. Chicks dig big a strong men. The choice is clearly obvious.


    Guys dig chicks rolling about on mats together..wasn't aware the reverse was true! Interesting!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    " A lot of compliant drills, no sparring. The techniques were not too dissimilar to Kenpo ones I used to train. I've never personally been able to utilise a wrist lock to move someone around or know anyone who I've personally witnessed to be able to do it in a non compliant atmosphere. "

    Yeah Colm, there also similiar to soem of the techniques I done in TKD. In these compliant drills - (a) the 'bad' guy doesn't resist or (b) he resists EXACTLY in the way the other bloke wants. That's interesting about wrist locks. Aikido trains a lot in wrist locks dosn't it. Anyone ever done Aikido and used a wrist lock in real life ? I'm not out to insult anyone, but if it doesn't work in real life what is the point ?

    Why ask BJJers especially about their opinion of Krav Maga submission/restratant techniques - because BJJ is done with full resitance of the opponent. I do a bit of BJJ myself and to be honest, when it comes to grappling/restraint on the floor, it's the business. BJJ has more than proved itself in MMA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭SorGan


    O'Leprosy wrote:
    " A lot of compliant drills, no sparring. The techniques were not too dissimilar to Kenpo ones I used to train. I've never personally been able to utilise a wrist lock to move someone around or know anyone who I've personally witnessed to be able to do it in a non compliant atmosphere. "

    Yeah Colm, there also similiar to soem of the techniques I done in TKD. In these compliant drills - (a) the 'bad' guy doesn't resist or (b) he resists EXACTLY in the way the other bloke wants. That's interesting about wrist locks. Aikido trains a lot in wrist locks dosn't it. Anyone ever done Aikido and used a wrist lock in real life ? I'm not out to insult anyone, but if it doesn't work in real life what is the point ?

    Why ask BJJers especially about their opinion of Krav Maga submission/restratant techniques - because BJJ is done with full resitance of the opponent. I do a bit of BJJ myself and to be honest, when it comes to grappling/restraint on the floor, it's the business. BJJ has more than proved itself in MMA.
    right from the start?
    first minute of the first class taken?
    or is there a progression of training leading up to it?
    i agree with what is being said about the clip, but that doesn't mean that full resistant training isn't included in krav.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭Subbway


    SorGan wrote:
    right from the start?
    first minute of the first class taken?
    or is there a progression of training leading up to it?

    Pretty much from the start. Best way to learn what not to do when rolling is getting tapped 100x doing same mistake (I don't know how many triangles it was before i learned to keep both hands out or both hands in... But it was plenty).

    Off course there might be some position sparring or just drill sparring just for starters... But it is done in full resistance. But off course when learning techniques they are drilled bit for start.


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