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The best recruitment agencies

  • 24-04-2007 5:09pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38


    I was wondering if people can recommend the best recruitment agencies, ie.most professional. I have dealt with a few that have been reaaallllyy unhelpful, not returned calls, tried to sell jobs to me that I hadn't the slightest interest in, pushed me for interviews where the salary expectations were lower than what I made clear I was interested in etc. Really infuriating when you are anxious about getting a new and suitable job for yourself.

    I guess I am expecting a lot but really what I want is an agency that is honest with me, tells me what I am suitable for and what I am not.

    Maybe it is best to apply directly to the employer? I have had it up to here with agencies at the moment.:confused:

    Any positive experiences with particular agencies? Advice/Feedback/comments appreciated!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭chump


    Fraggle wrote:

    Maybe it is best to apply directly to the employer? I have had it up to here with agencies at the moment.:confused:

    Of course it is best, take the finger out. :D;):D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    A good agency? Is there such a thing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    Yes there is...they're all outside of Ireland though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭bren2002


    Fraggle wrote:
    I was wondering if people can recommend the best recruitment agencies, ie.most professional. I have dealt with a few that have been reaaallllyy unhelpful, not returned calls, tried to sell jobs to me that I hadn't the slightest interest in, pushed me for interviews where the salary expectations were lower than what I made clear I was interested in etc. Really infuriating when you are anxious about getting a new and suitable job for yourself.

    I guess I am expecting a lot but really what I want is an agency that is honest with me, tells me what I am suitable for and what I am not.

    Maybe it is best to apply directly to the employer? I have had it up to here with agencies at the moment.:confused:

    Any positive experiences with particular agencies? Advice/Feedback/comments appreciated!

    I got my current job through Bright Water in Dublin. Top drawer stuff, and I wouldn't normally be a fan of recruit companies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    EVERY place has its horror stories. For IT work, CPL are pretty good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭maggz


    bren2002 wrote:
    I got my current job through Bright Water in Dublin. Top drawer stuff, and I wouldn't normally be a fan of recruit companies.

    Brightwater are a bunch of liers. I have had first hand experience of them blatently lying through their teeth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx


    I was amazed to find out from my last school reunion that most of the class "messers" are now all working in the recruitment industry. A cousin of mine said he was at his school reunion and noticed the exact same phenomenon. Says alot about the industry...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    Were they all thicko or what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx


    Not the brightest but great schemers and some very convincing b*ll**** artists!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    The best I've dealt with so far were Reed. Very professional IMO. :) I got my current job through them. Kept me updated all along the way. :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    Here we go on the recruiter bashing again.

    I'm professionally qualified and work in recruitment. Yes there are loads of idiots in the game, cowboys only after a fee - blame squarely on the big agencies who have guys on a target that is the be all and end all.

    I work in a 4 person practice and we are all partners, work with a small bunch of clients and they all 99% of the time love us. If someone applies for a job and they aren't suitable for anything we have - we dont drag them in to be interviewed and we tell them straight. Big agency - targets are not only €€€ but how many interviews you arrange, how many people you interview yourself (i.e. at rec co's office), etc.

    Also, it is true to say that most of the time your a brilliant recruiter if you get someone a job they want, they dont get it = crap recruitment co.

    To finish my rant, if your applying for a job its not like sending a text or posting on boards, check your spelling, places and company names are CAPITAL letters, you'd be surprised how many people CV smacks of done in crayon.......

    What types of role are you looking for???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 Fraggle


    Here we go on the recruiter bashing again.

    I'm professionally qualified and work in recruitment. Yes there are loads of idiots in the game, cowboys only after a fee - blame squarely on the big agencies who have guys on a target that is the be all and end all.

    Also, it is true to say that most of the time your a brilliant recruiter if you get someone a job they want, they dont get it = crap recruitment co.

    To finish my rant, if your applying for a job its not like sending a text or posting on boards, check your spelling, places and company names are CAPITAL letters, you'd be surprised how many people CV smacks of done in crayon.......

    What types of role are you looking for???

    Cheers Flash Harry, what you are saying makes sense. Seems I've been approaching the bigger agencies who haven't been so helpful.

    I have a media degree but haven't managed to get a relevant position as of yet. Have lots of Customer Service/Admin and Communications experience (5 years) Any pointers? Could I PM my CV to you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    absolutely PM it......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭lukin


    Recruitment agencies are a bunch of vampires,especially if you are a graduate looking for your first job. You'd be better of going on to www.fas.ie and look through their jobs bank.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭rediguana


    maggz wrote:
    Brightwater are a bunch of liers. I have had first hand experience of them blatently lying through their teeth.

    I second this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    How did they lie? About what aspect??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    How did they lie? About what aspect??
    I agree on the smaller agencies, but on the bigger agencies, they lie about job spec. And then, when you're at the interview, they're thinking that you'll do GREAT in the job, and you're thinking "I ain't doing a 45 hour week of this bullsh|t for €17,000".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭monkey24


    Here we go again, another thread filled with uneducated, sweeping statements about a whole industry. Some of the comments in here are scandalous. “My friend was at a school union and all the chancers were recruitment agents”. Honestly this kind of drivel says a lot about the people who post it.

    I have a first class hons degree in Computing Science. I worked as a Software Engineer through to a Senior Systems Engineer over a 7 year period. I now work in IT Recruitment in Dublin. Not because I am a ‘messer’ or idiot as someone above insinuated. When meeting candidates or clients, I know as much about the role from a technical view point as they do. I wanted to work in recruitment because I enjoy dealing with people candidates/clients alike.

    There are a bunch of recruitment agencies out there that I have no respect for as I used them when working in IT. But I never made such uneducated points like “They are all stupid”, “They are all vampires”.

    Honestly, some of the comments in here are shocking and sound both bitter and extremely uneducated.

    I had a candidate recently that I thought was excellent for a particular role that was advertised through another firm. I passed on the details of the role so they could apply directly. At the same time, I have that candidate in for another role through me. But I acted on their best interest. Shock horror, this is actually done in our industry. So if you are going to slag everyone off be more specific, than they “Are all stupid”.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Glowing


    I'd be interested to hear more about Brightwater. I went in for an interview there once, and thought they were pretty down to earth.

    What did they lie to you about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Monkey24: we tend to think they're stupid when they have no idea of the job spec, other than th 3 lines that was on the web page, they dont know what type of job it is (data input or tech support), they tell you one thing, only to find out that it doesn't exist, etc.

    Yes we're bitter. Because we've gotten screwed over by some people who must think its fun telling us bullsh|t, and then us finding the truth so wrong the interviewer says that the other canditates thought this as well...:mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭maggz


    Glowing wrote:
    I'd be interested to hear more about Brightwater. I went in for an interview there once, and thought they were pretty down to earth.

    What did they lie to you about?

    They lie about the "relationships" they have with clients. They lie about the jobs that they have. Because of the lies they told a company, the ruined my chances of getting the job, as the company said in the end that they didnt want to work with them ever again and pulled my interview.

    I am certainly not into the general sweeping recruitment agent bashing. A lot of them are gangsters, but there are also really good ones out there.

    Go to an agency that specialises in your area, get to know a particularly good person in there who has strong experience in your area, as apposed to working with the agency in general.

    I actually have really good experiences working with recruitment agents, and if your good at what you do, take it as a compliment that they are all calling you to try and get you work. You dont have to be rude, just say I'm not interested in the job and would you mind taking me off your database.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Mitzy


    I attended the Fas Opportunities show in Croke Park in February. I gave my CV to 3 agencies there including Brightwater. At the show they said that they would have numerous positions on their books that would suit me & that they would contact me the following week. After 2 weeks I still hadn't heard anything so I called them & emailed my CV over again (to a specific recruiter) but again heard nothing.
    I only had a call back from one of the agencies that I met at the show which didn't amount to anything as I never heard from them again.
    All in all, I agree with most of the posters here that agencies are a complete & utter waste of time!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    mitzy what type of jobs were you going for??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    contracted with CPL for 4 years after the tech crash and they always had a contract for me. After I wanted out of contracting they set me up with a perm job. Cant get better service than that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Mitzy


    mitzy what type of jobs were you going for??

    I'm in the mortgage business but looking for something in sales.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭monkey24


    the_syco wrote:
    Monkey24: we tend to think they're stupid when they have no idea of the job spec, other than th 3 lines that was on the web page, they dont know what type of job it is (data input or tech support), they tell you one thing, only to find out that it doesn't exist, etc.

    Yes we're bitter. Because we've gotten screwed over by some people who must think its fun telling us bullsh|t, and then us finding the truth so wrong the interviewer says that the other canditates thought this as well...:mad:

    And they are fair points. But do you think its fair to make comments that they are all "stupid" (I know you didn't but it has been said). Its frustrating that there are cowboy agencies out there that give us all a bad name. And it annoys me personally that it causes a lack of respect and trust towards consultants who are honestly trying to do a good job. I have been recruiting for Software Engineers with strong Cisco skills this week and there have been times that the candidate has slowly spelled out what they do, obviously used to people not understanding what they do. I have to explain i have worked as a Senior Engineer in a Cisco environment and tend to find things a lot easier then, to grasp what they actually want.

    But a little pointer for people out there using some agencies. Work on your CVs. They are professional documents. Give clear concise points about your work summary and key skills and strenghts. Also what exact job you are looking for. You would be suprised the amount of people who just throw a CV together. Spend some time on it and it will help you a lot in the future.

    As I said, I agree there are a lot of rogue agenices out there. Probaby because its a commission based job. But it would be good if we could put some rules in place to weed these out so the rest of us can get on doing our jobs and gain some respect for what we actually do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭maggz


    I think it's understandable why so many people think badly of agencies. Many of them are complete cowboys and do give the market a bad name.

    Saying that, if your a good recruiter and are good at what you do then your name becomes known in your area for what you do and people will come back to you. People will also tell other people they know and you will successful and have happy customers :)

    Theres no point fretting about people calling recruitment agencies this and that. You can't change the way things are, but you can certainly make sure that you provide a good service to the people you work with.

    Anyway, as for giving out that someone was explaining to you what a software enginner does, it doesn't mean they think you're stupid. It just means that they dont assume you are a technical person. There's nothing wrong with that?!?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Fraggle wrote:
    I was wondering if people can recommend the best recruitment agencies,
    Complete Oxymoron.

    Top tip: the next time a recruitment agency sends you out a DOC file for the job spec, go into File and Properties in Word and look for the author information.

    Nine times out of ten they are just relaying the spec sent to them from their client.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    Complete Oxymoron.

    Top tip: the next time a recruitment agency sends you out a DOC file for the job spec, go into File and Properties in Word and look for the author information.

    Nine times out of ten they are just relaying the spec sent to them from their client.

    Those b*tards - giving you the spec the client sent you, not even dressing it up as better; oh wait thats what we were getting slaughtered for in earlier posts!!!!!!!!!

    What would you suggest? I give the full details of the company (after I've met the candidate unless they've been recommended to me), a spec for the job (usually the frirst thing candidates ask for) and the job stretch I feel is there.....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭monkey24


    maggz wrote:
    I think it's understandable why so many people think badly of agencies. Many of them are complete cowboys and do give the market a bad name.

    Saying that, if your a good recruiter and are good at what you do then your name becomes known in your area for what you do and people will come back to you. People will also tell other people they know and you will successful and have happy customers :)

    Theres no point fretting about people calling recruitment agencies this and that. You can't change the way things are, but you can certainly make sure that you provide a good service to the people you work with.

    Anyway, as for giving out that someone was explaining to you what a software enginner does, it doesn't mean they think you're stupid. It just means that they dont assume you are a technical person. There's nothing wrong with that?!?!


    Giving out ??. I wasn't giving out at all i completely understand why they do this. I just said, that coming from a technical background has given me a good foundation to have a proper talk about peoples backgrounds and what job they are looking for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    monkey24 wrote:
    A...And it annoys me personally that it causes a lack of respect and trust towards consultants who are honestly trying to do a good job. .....
    As I said, I agree there are a lot of rogue agenices out there. ....it would be good if we could put some rules in place to weed these out so the rest of us can get on doing our jobs and gain some respect for what we actually do.

    You should get all 5 of you together and come up with a plan. :D

    Personally based on my few years of dealing with agencies, I don't see what value they offer to anyone. You deal with them because you have to, that the summation of it. After a while you get a instinct for the good and the bad. Like anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 yournamehere


    I've dealt with Hunter Marshall and they're really good. Great communication, detailed job specs. Robert Walters are also really good.

    There are about 6 who should be struck off (and these are med-large) for incompetence, ineptitude, laziness, poor social skills and lack of job knowledge. Obviously can't name them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭maggz


    There are about 6 who should be struck off (and these are med-large) for incompetence, ineptitude, laziness, poor social skills and lack of job knowledge. Obviously can't name them.

    You should name and shame, people have a right to know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 invadernim


    The last time I dealt with recruitment agencies, I was looking for a job in admin/customer services etc. I actually registered with 2 well known recruitment agencies in Dublin. One of the recruitment agencies sent me for 3 interviews the other sent me for 5.

    The first interview was a disaster. The recruitment agency had not forwarded a copy of my CV to the employer; luckily I had brought a copy with me. Also I was in no way whatsoever in any way qualified for the job.

    Apparently they had requested that candidates had a minimum of 2 years experience with stock exchange & trade. I had not ever alluded to having any sort of experience in my interview with the recruitment agency so I have no idea why I was sent for this interview.

    Needless to say, one look through my CV and the interview was terminated (with the implication that I had somehow scammed my way into an interview). Long story short, that was the best circumstances for any of the interview I got through either agencies with all the numerous mistakes. i.e. the jobs I was sent for were temp positions when I had stressed that I wanted permanent, other interviews in fields for which I was not qualified, salaries far lower than stated by the recruitment agencies etc

    Basically, a huge waste of time and energy.

    Eventually went on to www.jobs.ie, applied directly to the employer & got an interview & subsequently a job.

    10 minutes of effort with a result as opposed to 2 weeks of wasted & frustrated energy with recruitment agencies.

    I am not really sure how the recruitment agencies work, but surely its worth more to them to send you to interview for which you would be suitable? I don't see the point in sending people for interviews that they are obviously not qualified for. Do recruitment agencies get paid for placing someone in a position or do they get paid for sending people for interviews. I would have said the first over the latter based on common sense....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭cailinoBAC


    Ok, to get off the agency bashing for a moment... I'd recommend Hays. I've dealt with a number of agencies and often it was very depressing because they'd be lowering your salary expectations, telling you you were reaching way out of your league, even when you knew it wasn't true. With Hays I found they listened to what I wanted and went about getting it and didn't waste my time sending me specs for jobs that I didn't want. Two of my friends have also found jobs through Hays recently.

    But I'm sure once I post this someone will come along and say that they had a bad experience with them. I think a lot depends on the actual individual you deal with, as opposed to the company itself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭padraigcarroll


    Fraggle wrote:
    Any positive experiences with particular agencies? Advice/Feedback/comments appreciated!

    I used work in IT, and found agencies very frustrating.
    But recently I began a new job working for a recruitment agency in Dublin, and i specialise in tech support/networking/& management of those areas. Obviously now I have an insight into what goes on behind the scenes, and at the end of the day it is a sales job. Agencies try to sell you job specs and then try to sell you to companies. Some agencies will be pretty unscrupulous and push things, often too far, but some agencies, or even individual recruiters within agencies will go that extra step to find out your wants and needs.Your best bet is to have a face to face with a recruiter like that and work with him over time to find the right job.(do it with more than one and stay in contact with them proactively).

    Personally I think taking the time to sit down and find out all about the person looking for a job, get to know fully their employment history, interview history,complete skillset,then needs and wants.... is the only way to get a handle on what type of jobs to reccomend that person for and that takes a little extra time and a proper meeting-(not everyone looking for a job,certainly in IT always wants to spend that time in an 'interview'). But then, having found that information out, you mightnt have the right position on the go for that person, so you can search and canvass clients and keep an eye out, but there is only so much time to do this in, and as a result time may go by and oppurtunities too.
    that's life.

    I think the pro active search where you constantly stay in touch and expect to find the right position over time is the best way. You should also canvass employers directly too, and do as many interviews as possible to refine your skills.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Heisenberg.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    invadernim wrote:

    I am not really sure how the recruitment agencies work, but surely its worth more to them to send you to interview for which you would be suitable? I don't see the point in sending people for interviews that they are obviously not qualified for. Do recruitment agencies get paid for placing someone in a position or do they get paid for sending people for interviews. I would have said the first over the latter based on common sense....

    Well said.

    The problem here is lazy managers - they judge recruiters on KPI'd such as, you guessed it, how many interviews they arrange, their logic being in front of client = chance of a placement.

    Makes no sense if they have no chance of accepting or being offered the role.

    Try get referred to someone you know is good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭chump


    cailinoBAC wrote:
    Ok, to get off the agency bashing for a moment... I'd recommend Hays. I've dealt with a number of agencies and often it was very depressing because they'd be lowering your salary expectations, telling you you were reaching way out of your league, even when you knew it wasn't true. With Hays I found they listened to what I wanted and went about getting it and didn't waste my time sending me specs for jobs that I didn't want. Two of my friends have also found jobs through Hays recently.

    But I'm sure once I post this someone will come along and say that they had a bad experience with them. I think a lot depends on the actual individual you deal with, as opposed to the company itself.

    You do understand that Hays and a most of these boyos simply get your CV and send it out to as many companies as they can possibly think of.
    90% of the time there's no reason for not being able to get a job without a recruitment agent if you bother your arse - you look for the companies you're interested in and apply. This will save you hassle, will mean that you can be responsible for your future, and it more than often will mean that you can get paid more money.

    A recruitment agent has his interests at heart.
    Job 1 - company pays 10% commission, you get paid 30k, he 3k
    Job 2 - company pays 15% commission, you get paid 25k, he 3.75k

    Wonder which you'll land


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭monkey24


    chump wrote:
    You do understand that Hays and a most of these boyos simply get your CV and send it out to as many companies as they can possibly think of.
    90% of the time there's no reason for not being able to get a job without a recruitment agent if you bother your arse - you look for the companies you're interested in and apply. This will save you hassle, will mean that you can be responsible for your future, and it more than often will mean that you can get paid more money.

    A recruitment agent has his interests at heart.
    Job 1 - company pays 10% commission, you get paid 30k, he 3k
    Job 2 - company pays 15% commission, you get paid 25k, he 3.75k

    Wonder which you'll land

    Hey Chump,

    Again I think this is true of some agencies. But yet again I have to say its not true of all of them. Why would I, as a consultant send your CV to as many companies as I can. It makes no sense. Then I have to deal with the Client telling me I am sending unsuitable candidates. As I said, I don't doubt this happens. I have sent someones CV to a company this week, after having a dicussion regarding his work experience and what he is looking for, also i discussed the company at length, and he had never heard of them. On submitting the CV, I learnt it had already been submitted. I was obviously not too happy with this, as I stand by doing my work properly. After having a talk with him, it appears a company had spammed his CV to a lot companies.

    So again I understand the complaints towards agents. Believe me, working in the environment can be just as frustrating, when rogue agencies operate in a shady manner.

    I do agree with some of the points above. A lot of it has to do with the individual. And its good to always meet the person you are dealing with. Put a face to a name.

    Also, you do need to keep in mind. There will be occassions a consultant does not have a role that suits. So if they aren't constantly ringing you regarding roles, its not that they have forgotten you, its just, there is no point constantly ringing the candidate to inform them.

    Finally to answer your commission question. I am not sure if you are suggesting, you are more likely to get a job through an agent that charges lower commision, but if so, that is completely wrong. Believe me, we are living in a candidate driven market at the moment, if you are the right person for the job an extra 500 quid ( used in your example ), is not going to make a difference.

    If I had some sort of advice, I would pick 3 agencies after doing some research or getting some referrals and stick with them. Make an effort to work with them and as said above, be proactive in doing so. A lot of people send their CV to 10 or more agencies. It really does mean you will be told about the same jobs over and over again. And also you will have to constantly have the same conversation with agent after agent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    My 2 cents...

    Ignore emails from agencies about jobs requiring skillsets not on your CV.
    Ignore generic jobs, without quirky details, they are not real.
    20 very similar jobs from multiple agencies on different sites are all the same job. Usually not a real job, or too many applicants.
    Once you apply to an agency forget about. They'll get back to you if they have something. if they don't they won't. Move on and forget about it.
    The majority of jobs are not got through agencies. So don't spend the majority of your job searching time going via agencies. Traditional methods work best.
    Ditto Job sites. majority of jobs are not on jobs sites. So don't spend the majority of your job searching time on job sites.
    If you get no interviews or interest in your CV its dire. Get the finger out and keep improving it till it works.
    Mass mailing CV's is a waste of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭maggz



    The problem here is lazy managers - they judge recruiters on KPI'd such as, you guessed it, how many interviews they arrange, their logic being in front of client = chance of a placement.

    I dont think its lazy managers - id say more like busy managers.... theres a big difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭maggz


    chump wrote:

    A recruitment agent has his interests at heart.
    Job 1 - company pays 10% commission, you get paid 30k, he 3k
    Job 2 - company pays 15% commission, you get paid 25k, he 3.75k

    The agency gets 10% or 15%, the recruitment agent only gets about 5% of that which is €150


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    maggz wrote:
    I dont think its lazy managers - id say more like busy managers.... theres a big difference.

    Surely that makes them busy fools? Measuring an activity but not its quality?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    bren2002 wrote:
    I got my current job through Bright Water in Dublin. Top drawer stuff, and I wouldn't normally be a fan of recruit companies.

    No one is a fan of recruit companies. Brightwater said that they were a 'consultancy not an agency' This just means that charge the highest rates in the country to the employer; so most of them avoid them like the plague/

    mm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    monkey24 wrote:

    As I said, I agree there are a lot of rogue agenices out there. Probaby because its a commission based job. But it would be good if we could put some rules in place to weed these out so the rest of us can get on doing our jobs and gain some respect for what we actually do.
    I do not respect you.
    Recruitment agenices (sic) are all rogues; that is the norm. They are all dishonest probaby (sic) because you add no value. You bring nothing useful to the process. It is indicative of the uselessness of HR people that they rely on recruitment agencies.

    I would advise people to create a CV similar to their own for a fictitious individual. Find out who the employer are and apply directly. For a contractor this can mean a difference of 500 a week. For a person seeking a permanent job it means a difference of 15000 to the hiring company which might be reflected in your salary.

    MM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    I would advise people to create a CV similar to their own for a fictitious individual. Find out who the employer are and apply directly. For a contractor this can mean a difference of 500 a week.
    This can work, however, a lot of bigger organisations who use contractors have pretty arcane procedures for setting up new suppliers. Most will use an agency as if they want to hire 10 contractors as it will save them the 'headache' of dealing with 10 suppliers. This is especially true in the public sector where very strict EU precurement guidelines and rules exist.

    Secondly, companies use agencies as there is a perception that it affords them a level of cover if a contractor goes postal. This isn't the case but perception > reality.

    Yes, most agencies and agents are scum. There has only been one notable exception in my personal experience in Ireland, and that's Declan McNiff of Realtime*. Straight-up, a complete gent and well thought of in the industry.

    (*I am not Declan McNiff of Realtime Ltd.!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Yes I am currently working through an agency because I got the message below from a semi state.

    However the dummy CV method allows you to approach the agency and still get a better rate.

    This was from a semi state:
    semistate wrote:
    My apologies for not replying sooner. However unfortunately I cannot
    accept your CV for any of our contracting roles as we have a preferred
    supplier list which we use to source all our contractors.
    I don't think highly of realtime either, just haven't delivered.
    The only recruiter I would reccomend is a guy called Sam Perrin he has his own agency called Archer. But all I would say about him is that he got me a number of jobs at a good rate.

    MM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭flash harry


    I don't think highly of realtime either, just haven't delivered.
    The only recruiter I would reccomend is a guy called Sam Perrin he has his own agency called Archer. But all I would say about him is that he got me a number of jobs at a good rate.

    MM

    NEWSFLASH - recruiter considered good by mountainyman because he got him jobs at good rate. All other recruiters are crap. Job applicant the innocent party who had no influence on process...............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    No matter how you try and defend them, recruiters will always been seen in the same light as second-hand car sales men & estate agents. Nobody likes to deal with them, but in some cases it is unfortunately unavoidable (especially in IT it seems).

    I was actually checking job sites last week and I came across a role that really interested me. I sent off my CV and the recruiter got back to me. I was on the phone for about 15 minutes with him, he strengthened my interest in the role and we both agreed that I was perfect for this this particular position. He told me that he would set up an interview and get back to me as soon as possible. 1 week has passed and I have heard nothing. I sent 3 emails and left 2 voices messages on his phone, but still nothing. Okay, the company could be busy and he might not of heard anything back but why will he not just confirm this for me instead of ignoring me? This is just the very tip of the iceberg btw and I only mentioned it because it happened to me only very recently...........as I am writting this I still have heard nothing back.

    I've been in IT for 6 years and I have never come across a good recruiter in this country, EVER! They are all sharks who only care about their own poxy careers.

    Just my 2 cents ;)


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