Bernard Dunne fighting 23rd June

Big Ears

Just looking up on the EBU's website and they have Dunne making a voluntary defense next in Dublin on the 23rd of June against Reidar Walstad http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=097318
not a mandatory defence against Kiko Martinez as previously had been stated .

Walstad is ranked #3 by the EBU behind Salem Bouaita(#2) , Esham Pickering(#1) and Martinez as mandatory is not given a ranking .

For me Walstad's record is very padded , it's also not a good sign that he was stopped in a round by the light hitting Mongolian Super-Flyweight Shinny Bayaar . Another bad sign is his draw with a guy who has a dreadful record(1-7-3) .

With that said Walstad isn't much worse(or even worse at all) that those ranked below him so is deserving of his #3 position .

I assume Dunne will stop this guy early and then fight Martinez anywhere between 2-3 months after that . Should he come through Martinez then I'd say they would be looking for a world title fight just before the year is out or the start of next year .

I have a feeling Dunne will get criticism for fighting this guy but his management obviously want one more fight before taking on Martinez so there's no one else in Europe(besides Pickering) anymore deserving or better quality .

henryb

It hardly wets the appetite alright big ears, but im sure
his management know what there doing.
As you say this fight shouldnt last very long, but no
doubt there'll be a full house in the point (i assume its in the point)?
Hopefully by the time he fights martinez, he should be good and ready
for the task!

cowzerp

At the moment these fights are all about bernard improving and paving a way to the title shot-most people will pay to see bernard putting on a show..
world title should happen sometime this year..

henbane

Dunne & Co. filling their boots with this lark. This fight will not give him the opportunity to learn - with Dunne's boxing skills, he should be looking for that kind of fight if he's serious about winning a meaningful belt.

cowzerp

its not skills he needs to learn its experience and getting used to going longer distances-if its a quick k o he wont get this though!

henbane

I could have phrased that better as I pretty much agree with your point.

raven136

Peter's needs to take a hard look at himself and ask is he doing Bernard's career prospects anygood.He will walk through this guy in a max 5 rounds and that is the last thing he needs,he will have to go the 12 in a world title as his punching isnt near strong enough to knock out the top guys.
I dont think im the only one feeling shortchanged by this ****e,why didnt they take the tougher mandatory challenger and see what happens.
The point wont be available next year for a big fight with the refurbishment so time is ticking by.
Just very disappointed with this whole thing and its a management and promotion issue

walshb

I think it's bad for boxing in general but best of luck to Bernard. If people are willing to shell out money to watch these mismatches, take it. I know I would.
After all why should Dunne take a beating or unnecessary punishment when he can make the same money with an easy nights work. He is the guy taking the punches, so make it easy not hard. I for one will not be paying to see it.

What sort of irritates me is when Bernard meets these poor opponents, the commentators and media hype it like it's actually class, when really its' drivel.

Big Ears

raven136 wrote:

Peter's needs to take a hard look at himself and ask is he doing Bernard's career prospects anygood.He will walk through this guy in a max 5 rounds and that is the last thing he needs,he will have to go the 12 in a world title as his punching isnt near strong enough to knock out the top guys.
I dont think im the only one feeling shortchanged by this ****e,why didnt they take the tougher mandatory challenger and see what happens.
The point wont be available next year for a big fight with the refurbishment so time is ticking by.
Just very disappointed with this whole thing and its a management and promotion issue

I'm actually guessing it was a mutual thing between Martinez and Dunne's camp in not fighting till later . They could have forced the mandatory now if they wanted , but Martinez only turned 21 last month and has had just 16 fights . He needs experience much more than Dunne has and getting some rounds in before fighting Dunne would do him some good as he rarely goes the distance and his 13 stoppages have all come before the 5th .

The only other option here was an international opponent and it's possible the EBU wouldn't have allowed that , and threathen to strip Dunne should he go through with it(I'm not saying that's what happened but it's a possibility)

Dunne will get Martinez soon , and Molitor will probably follow . Competitive fights(where Dunne will even be the underdog in some) are just around the corner .

Big Ears

Good news about Walstad in that he may be a little better than expected . His loss to Bayaar was through injury and that defeat was the main thing that worried me about his record . He has also had a good amateur career and ive been told he is a decent boxer , who could well last the distance .

http://www.walstad.biz/record/record.html(there's a short video of one of his knockout wins there aswell as his pro and amateur record and achievements)

I still fancy Dunne to stop him tbh .

dlofnep

Guy is very short, Bernard will have an awful amount of reach on him and will pick him apart in 4 or 5.

buck65

Who would the better bantamweights in the world be?
How would Dunne rank in the list?
How close realistically is he to a title bout ?

Saw Bernard fight last year and was impressed but I am losing interest fast in these nothing fights,surely the states is the place to be not filling the point with his friends and supporters against limited opposition???

cowzerp

i know bernard and am a fan of his but believe the only title holder that he is capable of beating is moliter-although moliter has improved a lot since bernard beat him as an amateur, bernard is very close to a title fight and i believe could get 1 as soon as his management want to take the fight, at the moment the paydays are good so i think there milking it a bit now, i would not mind if the undercards where better...

Big Ears

buck65 wrote:

Who would the better bantamweights in the world be?
How would Dunne rank in the list?
How close realistically is he to a title bout ?

Saw Bernard fight last year and was impressed but I am losing interest fast in these nothing fights,surely the states is the place to be not filling the point with his friends and supporters against limited opposition???

I presume you mean Super Bantamweight(Dunne's weight) , the best at the weight are :

1.Rafael Marquez(universally recognized/Ring champ , aswell as WBC champ ) he's just after moving up from Bantamweight where he ruled as that divisions number one . He has got very good skills and great power , although capable of taking you out with one shot he breaks down most of his opponents .

2.Israel Vasquez , was recognized as champ till he lost to Marquez , not quite as skilled as Marquez(although a fine boxer in his own right) he also has huge power .

3.Celestino Cabellero(WBA champ) , a massive 5'11 . I haven't seen Cabellero but have heard some very impressive things about him and with wins over WBO champ Ponce De Leon and Somsak Sithchatchawal(an iron chinned Thai with a huge punch who keeps comming forward) he has to be a damn good fighter .

4.Steve Molitor(IBF champ) , very slick boxer(probably the slickest of the lot) but lacks power and fights 'small' despite not being that big . destroyed Michael Hunter and easily outpointed Nicky Booth some time back . Due to his lack of power and experience he is the best option for Dunne .

5.Daniel Ponce De Leon(WBO champ) has probably the biggest punch of the lot and is a windmill , however he is extremely crude and open to be outboxed .

6.Somsask Sithchatchawal , as I said earlier , iron chinned with a big punch , his fight with Mayhar Monshipour was epic and the uppercuts he threw that night could only be described as 'sick' .

7.Takalani Ndlovu(holds the lesser regarded IBO title) decent South African with good skills and a respectful punch . He is fighting Molitor next and I expect Molitor to be too good for him .

8.Gabula Vabaza , slick South African who will probably be Molitor's next mandatory . Not much of a puncher .

9.Bernard Dunne...........

10.Gerry Penalosa , tough Philippine who went the distance with Ponce De Leon and gave him a very good fight . The scoring was wide(deservedly so imo) it was just that Ponce was winning almost every round very closely with his workrate .

These are my own personnal opinions of the S.Bantamweight top ten and differ quite a bit from The Ring's .

You could easily make a case for the likes of Rey Bautista , Sergio Manuel Medina or the 3 other top Thai's in the division(Sakmuangklang , Lookbanyai or 3k Battery) being in the top 10 .

However from that list I believe Dunne would beat Penalosa , Vabaza and Ndlovu .

I would give him a resonable chance of beating Ponce De Leon or Molitor , however De Leon would most likely catch him after getting outboxed for a few rounds , Molitor is a pick em .

I give him a small chance against the rest with the most likely result as Dunne being knocked out .

sligobhoy67

Big Ears wrote:

I presume you mean Super Bantamweight(Dunne's weight) , the best at the weight are :

1.Rafael Marquez(universally recognized/Ring champ , aswell as WBC champ ) he's just after moving up from Bantamweight where he ruled as that divisions number one . He has got very good skills and great power , although capable of taking you out with one shot he breaks down most of his opponents .

2.Israel Vasquez , was recognized as champ till he lost to Marquez , not quite as skilled as Marquez(although a fine boxer in his own right) he also has huge power .

3.Celestino Cabellero(WBA champ) , a massive 5'11 . I haven't seen Cabellero but have heard some very impressive things about him and with wins over WBO champ Ponce De Leon and Somsak Sithchatchawal(an iron chinned Thai with a huge punch who keeps comming forward) he has to be a damn good fighter .

4.Steve Molitor(IBF champ) , very slick boxer(probably the slickest of the lot) but lacks power and fights 'small' despite not being that big . destroyed Michael Hunter and easily outpointed Nicky Booth some time back . Due to his lack of power and experience he is the best option for Dunne .

5.Daniel Ponce De Leon(WBO champ) has probably the biggest punch of the lot and is a windmill , however he is extremely crude and open to be outboxed .

6.Somsask Sithchatchawal , as I said earlier , iron chinned with a big punch , his fight with Mayhar Monshipour was epic and the uppercuts he threw that night could only be described as 'sick' .

7.Takalani Ndlovu(holds the lesser regarded IBO title) decent South African with good skills and a respectful punch . He is fighting Molitor next and I expect Molitor to be too good for him .

8.Gabula Vabaza , slick South African who will probably be Molitor's next mandatory . Not much of a puncher .

9.Bernard Dunne...........

10.Gerry Penalosa , tough Philippine who went the distance with Ponce De Leon and gave him a very good fight . The scoring was wide(deservedly so imo) it was just that Ponce was winning almost every round very closely with his workrate .

These are my own personnal opinions of the S.Bantamweight top ten and differ quite a bit from The Ring's .

You could easily make a case for the likes of Rey Bautista , Sergio Manuel Medina or the 3 other top Thai's in the division(Sakmuangklang , Lookbanyai or 3k Battery) being in the top 10 .

However from that list I believe Dunne would beat Penalosa , Vabaza and Ndlovu .

I would give him a resonable chance of beating Ponce De Leon or Molitor , however De Leon would most likely catch him after getting outboxed for a few rounds , Molitor is a pick em .

I give him a small chance against the rest with the most likely result as Dunne being knocked out .

excellent sumation BE's (as always). There is some amount of shiote talk on this thread about Walstad. Walstad is a respectable opponant, only one lose on his record and is genuine european class (whichis where Dunne is at at the moment.) Its the exact fight he needs before facing Kiki - and then another two fights and move on to Molitor or Ponce de Leon

Running Bing

walshb wrote:

I think it's bad for boxing in general but best of luck to Bernard. If people are willing to shell out money to watch these mismatches, take it. I know I would.
After all why should Dunne take a beating or unnecessary punishment when he can make the same money with an easy nights work. He is the guy taking the punches, so make it easy not hard. I for one will not be paying to see it.

What sort of irritates me is when Bernard meets these poor opponents, the commentators and media hype it like it's actually class, when really its' drivel.

Becuase maybe he has goals and actually wants to achieve things in the sport. If this really is all about milking it for cash I think they need to kop on. Note I said if, perhaps they really believe this is whats best for Bernard although I dont see how it could be. He will struggle badly in the later rounds against strong opposition imo.


Also it is a bit of an insult expecting people to pay a lot of money to see these mismatches, where it is very likely it will be finished within a few rounds. It's even worse when you consider the undercards at past events have been well below par. I definately wont be wasteing my money on this one.

stagolee

I just read on eastsideboxing that this bloke Walstad beat Dunne in the amateurs so thats probably another reason why the Dunne camp chose him.

Heres a short clip of Walstad in action from the article.

Big Ears

stagolee wrote:

I just read on eastsideboxing that this bloke Walstad beat Dunne in the amateurs so thats probably another reason why the Dunne camp chose him.

Heres a short clip of Walstad in action from the article.

At the time Dunne would have been 18 and Walstad 21 , but it does add to why Dunne's camp picked Walstad .

This card is starting to look really good . Dunne v Walstad looks a better fight now that it did when I first found out about it .
Neil Sinclair is always value for money and should provide a good fight against anyone .

Wayne McCullough(although most of us would like to see him retired) is a non stop punching machine with a chin of iron .

Oisin Fagan who was fairly impressive winning the Irish Light-Welterweight title took former IBF Lightweight champ Paul Spadafora to a SD recently and with Fagan's work rate and heart he is also good to watch .

Polish fighter Lukasz Wawrzyczek impressed me quite a bit when he fought Conroy McIntosh on Peters last card . He looks like he could develop into European level at least , however it looks like he lacks power . Wawrzyczek is fighting Ciaran Healy , a slugger with a questionable chin .

All we have to hope for now is that those guys get some good opponents and that there aren't any injuries .

I'd love if Makclin was added to the card , would really make it something special .

walshb

Babybing wrote:

Becuase maybe he has goals and actually wants to achieve things in the sport. If this really is all about milking it for cash I think they need to kop on. Note I said if, perhaps they really believe this is whats best for Bernard although I dont see how it could be. He will struggle badly in the later rounds against strong opposition imo.


Also it is a bit of an insult expecting people to pay a lot of money to see these mismatches, where it is very likely it will be finished within a few rounds. It's even worse when you consider the undercards at past events have been well below par. I definately wont be wasteing my money on this one.

I'm not with you??, do you agree with my post OR not?

raven136

Thomas Myler in the times said that Duddy and Lee will both be fighting in the summer in Ireland.Any chance they would be on a Dunne Bill?

Big Ears

raven136 wrote:

Thomas Myler in the times said that Duddy and Lee will both be fighting in the summer in Ireland.Any chance they would be on a Dunne Bill?

No Duddy is set to fight on the 7th of July at the National Stadium
, he's also fighting on the 18th of April so 23rd of June would be too early for him .

Andy Lee is also fighting on the 18th of April(on a different card) so he'd be unlikely to fight on the 23rd of June also . I hadn't even heard Lee was going to be fighting in Ireland soon .

cowzerp

Wayne Mccullogh is fighting on the undercard for dunnes fight-im just after getting tickets, cant wait to see wayne fighting in the point, this was the deciding factor on wheter i went to this 1 or not-wayne always puts on a good show, and it should make for a good atmosphere..

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote:

Wayne Mccullogh is fighting on the undercard for dunnes fight-im just after getting tickets, cant wait to see wayne fighting in the point, this was the deciding factor on wheter i went to this 1 or not-wayne always puts on a good show, and it should make for a good atmosphere..

Neil Sinclair and Oisin Fagan are also on the card - should be a cracker of a night - I would love to get home for it but alas I have had too many trip home already.

Big Ears wrote:

No Duddy is set to fight on the 7th of July at the National Stadium
, he's also fighting on the 18th of April so 23rd of June would be too early for him .

Andy Lee is also fighting on the 18th of April(on a different card) so he'd be unlikely to fight on the 23rd of June also . I hadn't even heard Lee was going to be fighting in Ireland soon .

I spotted that on Boxrec also. I will have a word with Johns matchmaker tonight and see if I can get some more info.

bigbigb

Alright lads.

I've been looking for a forum to ask this question, so hopefully you guys can help me out. I haven't been to a boxing match before, but am thinking about getting tickets for the Dunne bout in The Point on 23rd June. I was looking at the seating chart on Ticketmaster. I'm not willing to pay for ringside seats, so it seems I've the following options:

1) Flat ground level seats behind the ringside seats
2) Tiered seating further back, or
3) Balcony seats (even further back).

I'm leaning towards the tiered seating. Even though slightly further back, I thought it would give a better view. The auld boy is coming and he ain't the tallest! Any advice on where I should sit? I'm guessing it's kinda the same idea as going to a concert? Any of you been to a bout in The Point before?

Cheers for any help,
Barry

walshb

cowzerp wrote:

Wayne Mccullogh is fighting on the undercard for dunnes fight-im just after getting tickets, cant wait to see wayne fighting in the point, this was the deciding factor on wheter i went to this 1 or not-wayne always puts on a good show, and it should make for a good atmosphere..

Hi Paul. Does Wayne fighting not worry you. The guy should be retired for his own safety IMO...

Anyway, how's things. You still training hard. What's the next few months have in store for you as regards fighting?

cowzerp

i know what your saying bren-its easy to forget wayne's problems alright-fingers crossed he'll be fine, i think the cyst on his head has been cleared as no problem-i dont think he'll be put in with anyone dangerous either..
i was due to fight sunday but opponent pulled out injured, still not sure about seniors yet! i'd have to lose 1 stone if i decide to do it.. i can do that but am not sure if i want to-this is why i stopped in the 1st place..training hard though, i'll have to do some sparring with you soon..