Who played this worse ...

White Knight

Who played this worse (or better)...

disregard preflop - looking for comments from flop onwards

Live 1/2NL

Player A 550 utg+1 AdJc
Player B 360 SB 34spades

1 limper, Player A makes it 7 - 4 callers

Flop: Js2s5h

Player B in SB checks, Player A pots it to 35, folded to Player B who check raised to 130. Player A calls.

Turn 8c

Player B pushes for 215. Player A calls after 3 minutes or so.

River was 9d but is immaterial on comments about the play.

So, who played it worse and why?


edited: turn actions were slightly wrong!

cardshark202

Player A's turn shove makes little sense, unless there is some other history

LuckyLloyd

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BobSloane

What happened on the turn? Player B checked it to player A after check-raising the flop??
I think player B played it worse. Looks like he's on a draw and inflated the pot out of position without a hand.
Player A seems to have taken the line of "I'm not folding on the river so I might as well get it all-in now" which is fair enough I suppose.

Bandara

obviously two blokes out to get each other and all displicine any thought went out the window.

Sadly White knight and his flush and st8 draw missed and he lost it to tptk.

rumours that it all kicked off bigstyle afterwards involving katana blades are strongly denied.

ianmc38

I think player B played it well.

Glowingmind

I quite like Player B's play. The check raise on the flop should scare Player A, unless there's some history/read. Not a fan of calling player B's shove at all. That said it depends on who player b is.


Also, White Knight doesn't get in fights over poker - other competitive games, yes.

BobSloane

White Knight wrote:

edited: turn actions were slightly wrong!

Yeah big diff in what you originally posted! Player B's play is pretty good here I think.

I'd often lead the flop here and get it all in to a raise as that is what I would do with a set usually in this situatuion

White Knight

its not my fault the pool cue was in my hand ....

Hectorjelly

Both played it ok.

Firstly the turn:
28 goes in preflop
260 on the flop
215 bet on the turn
which means the pot is about 500. The guy has to call 215 which leaves a pot of 715. 215/715 is .30, which is almost exactly the pot equity the guy with the draw has

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2593322
pokenum -h ad jc - 3s 4s -- js 2s 5h 8c
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Js 2s 8c 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Ad 30 68.18 14 31.82 0 0.00 0.682
4s 3s 14 31.82 30 68.18 0 0.00 0.318

You could argue that AJ should fold the flop if the guy checkraising is only doing that with big draws and sets, but without any info we cant assume that.

The turn push is very good IMO, he needs to decide on the flop if he thinks he is up against a set or not. If he feels he isnt this line vastly increases his equity against draws (pushing on a blank turn) and he loses the same against a set. The problem with checking is that the guy on the draw may well check behind. If the guy has a hand like KJ he is just as likely to call all in on the turn as the flop.

As for preflop and flop, the guy with 34s should fold preflop, you can ignore this if you want but its a losing call and if you dont understand why it will cost you, also you may want to think about why the guy with AJ went to war with 1 pair. His hand is so clearly defined before you raise that you should think about how your check raise is going to be viewed. If he is a donkey then just calling is better. If your image is bad then just calling is better. That said you are better than 50 50 with 1 pair so a check raise can never be bad per se, its just there may be a more profitable alternative.