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2-4 omaha. Spew?

  • 21-04-2007 7:42am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭


    Villain is bad from what i've seen. Overplays overpairs. Big chance he has KK xx QQxx or the other AAxx.Villain Got real lucky earlier on, runner runner house to suck out on a made straight. (AAxx v 67xx on a 4 89 flop. AI on flop)
    Comments on how i played this?

    PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP ($825.75)
    CO ($324.30)
    Button ($397.40)
    SB ($467.45)
    Hero ($211.90)
    UTG ($400.05)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Adiamond.gif, Qheart.gif, Aspade.gif, Theart.gif.
    1 fold, MP raises to $14, 1 fold, Button calls $14, 1 fold, Hero calls $10.

    Flop: ($44) 5diamond.gif, 3spade.gif, 2heart.gif(3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $41.8, Button folds, Hero raises to $167.2, MP raises to $292.6, Hero calls $30.70 (All-In).

    Turn: ($534.50) 4heart.gif(2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($534.50) 7diamond.gif(2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $534.50


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    I would repot that hand every single time, especially as you are so shallow. Not repotting preflop there is a huge error.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭58o


    I generally dont repot unless i can get 60-70% of stack over line. In fact i had a bigger tank earlier and had repotted with good Aces and had to lay down on co-ordinated boards. I will also be OOP for the hand.Or is this too tight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    i always repot there. You can get 30% of your stack in. i repot and shove almost every flop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    Yeah as ian says easy repot preflop. Once you can get 30%+ of your stack over you should be happy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Flipper


    Yeah as ian says easy repot preflop. Once you can get 30%+ of your stack over you should be happy
    .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 571 ✭✭✭smoothcall


    I completely disagree with the response here. I wouldnt repot it pre- flop youre not getting enough % of your stack in . you will be able to make it about 60 . you will more than likely get 2 callers , now your in a pot with 150 in front OOP and both players know your hand.

    Unless you are very confident he is weak. there is no flush draw so its unlikely hes bluffing on such a connected board, just fold the flop and moan about how did you miss is the best decision i think..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    I flat call here preflop oop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Marq


    58o wrote:
    Villain is bad from what i've seen. Overplays overpairs.


    Flop: ($44) 5diamond.gif, 3spade.gif, 2heart.gif(3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $41.8, Button folds, Hero raises to $167.2, MP raises to $292.6, Hero calls $30.70 (All-In).
    I think not re-raising pre-flop but raising it all in here with one pair and practically no chance of improving is pretty bad.
    You might be ahead now, but kings don't call that raise on a rainbow board.
    Any hand that's calling you either has you beat or is probably favourite to beat you.
    Also he's seen you get it all in with an overpair on a straightening board already so he should know your range could easily include aces, which makes it a lot easier for him to call you with 5-2-x-x or something like that.

    In short, you've turned your hand into a bluff. If you had le-laised ple-flop against this player who you claim overplays big pairs you may have gotten it all in against a hand you're a big favourite against.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Marq


    Is there a reason you only have a half a buy-in on the table?
    Had you lost a pot recently and forgotten to top-up?
    Or were you short-stacking the game?
    If you were short-stacking then not re-raising the boots pre-flop here is pretty silly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    Just noticed the raise already had a caller, so that leans me more towards a reraise preflop, but in general I think people do it way too much with AA, I like to be getting 50% of my stack in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Marq


    People do do it with bad aces too often yes. I think the point most are trying to make here is that if you're willing to get it in with an ovepair on a co-ordinated board against a preflop raiser who is now betting pot into two opponents then you should probably have made an effort to get more of your money in pre-flop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭58o


    Marq wrote:
    I think not re-raising pre-flop but raising it all in here with one pair and practically no chance of improving is pretty bad.
    You might be ahead now, but kings don't call that raise on a rainbow board.
    Any hand that's calling you either has you beat or is probably favourite to beat you.
    Also he's seen you get it all in with an overpair on a straightening board already so he should know your range could easily include aces, which makes it a lot easier for him to call you with 5-2-x-x or something like that.

    In short, you've turned your hand into a bluff. If you had le-laised ple-flop against this player who you claim overplays big pairs you may have gotten it all in against a hand you're a big favourite against.

    You misunderstood, VILLAIN was the one who got it in earlier with the overpair on a straightening board and got lucky. I have not been getting too out of line. I've been raising a lot from position.
    I at the time that there was a good chance my line here was a bluff, but felt he would be able to lay down a 2 pair holding here. As far as I'm concerned my line here looks like a straight/set. He should not be putting me on just an overpair here based on previous action. I rarely overplay aces in Omaha, and find that a lot of money is to be made off people who do.
    Anyway villain here called me with A-2-3-6 for bottom 2 and a gutshot. 4 on the turn. I thought it was a pretty poor call? Almost any other time he is drawing dead either to a split or to a 2/3 here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    58o wrote:
    You misunderstood, VILLAIN was the one who got it in earlier with the overpair on a straightening board and got lucky. I have not been getting too out of line. I've been raising a lot from position.
    I at the time that there was a good chance my line here was a bluff, but felt he would be able to lay down a 2 pair holding here. As far as I'm concerned my line here looks like a straight/set. He should not be putting me on just an overpair here based on previous action. I rarely overplay aces in Omaha, and find that a lot of money is to be made off people who do.
    Anyway villain here called me with A-2-3-6 for bottom 2 and a gutshot. 4 on the turn. I thought it was a pretty poor call? Almost any other time he is drawing dead either to a split or to a 2/3 here.

    Why did you think that a dude who you witnessed getting it in with an overpair on a dangerous board before, would be able to lay 2 pair down?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭58o


    fuzzbox wrote:
    Why did you think that a dude who you witnessed getting it in with an overpair on a dangerous board before, would be able to lay 2 pair down?

    I didnt get it in with an overpair on a dangerous board , he did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    58o wrote:
    I didnt get it in with an overpair on a dangerous board , he did.

    You first say that this guy got it in on a danger board with an overpair earlier.
    Then you state that you figure he could fold 2-pair.

    I asked why you thought that he could fold 2-pair?

    I didnt say that you got it in with an overpair on a danger board (although, in this particular hand, you did precisely that).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭Goodluck2me


    Marq wrote:
    In short, you've turned your hand into a bluff. If you had le-laised ple-flop against this player who you claim overplays big pairs you may have gotten it all in against a hand you're a big favourite against.
    plick...although a vely good dealel :)


    Yeah RE-raise Pre flop. you shouldnt only be doin this with aces though, hadns like 4567ds and AQJK combos rundowns and bit pair. your hand should be transparent or you will let yoru opponents play perfectly against you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    You should be re-raising with a wide enough range so people can't just put you on AAxx, though this has been said countless times before.
    Also reload plz.


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