Cash game hands

ollyk1

Two live €1/2 cash game plh hands,

I'm playing ~500

Hand 1

Villain 1 in MP is a loose bad player, likes to call with draws and marginal good hands and most of the table is aware of this by now. He's been hitting and he's playing ~400

Villain 2 is a young tight player on the button. He's stuck ~150 and is playing ~180. Normally pretty tight but he's chasing a bit now and I suspect he's called a few cheap draws and missed in the last round or two.

I'm in the BB and seen as fairly tight aided by the fact I've flopped a nut straight and reraised on the flop with it and got it all-in on the turn.

Villain 2 knows my game a bit better and would know I lead with draws occasionally and am capable of making one and two barrell bluffs occasionally although this table has a few stations so I haven't done this very often on this particualr table.

Limped in 3 spots and I check in the BB with 73o

The flop comes 7c3d2d and I lead for 6 into a €8 pot.

Flat called by villain 1 and 2

Pot is now €28

Turn Tc

I lead out for €20 and villain 1 calls before villain 2 raises to €80 (leaving him with €45 behind). Whats the plan now? What do you think of my line so far?

I'm 90% sure I'm ahead of villain 1. Villain 2 either has a set/two pair (maybe AT but that's unlikely) or a big draw imo it's definitley not complete air.

The options for me were fold or flat call and try and get a side pot with villain 1 on the river, I don't see much benefit in raising here.


Hand 2

Villain in this hand is a loose passive player in the CO and doesn't know me. He's playing ~300 and I cover.

AdAs utg and I pot to €7 and get called in 3 spots.

The flop comes QdJd6c and I lead out for €20 and the villain raises to €60.

What's your plan here?

I'm torn by all 3 options but the more I look at the guy the more I feel he has a genuine hand so I'm thinking QJ, KQ or AQ or 66 and JJ. I don't think he's drawing but of course he could be (he's been calling with draws from what I've seen). In my view he thinks he's ahead but he's not putting me on something as strong as AA.

I call.

The turn comes 9d and I check planning a crai but he checks behind. Do you prefer to lead here pot committing yourself to call a shove by him? My thoughts were are I'm either miles ahead or else I'm a ~40% dog.

River comes a low diamond and I lead out for €60 and the guy agonsies a fold with AQ no diamond.

I'm not happy with how I played this on the flop and the turn so I'd love to get some views on it.

Thanks

ligger

Hand 1. I pot it with 2 Flush draws out there
Hand 2. I repot his flop bet, I have Aces (who cares whats on the flop) In the SE I don't even think about this. Ask Ian TPTK is golden in there.:)

Gholimoli

Hand 1:
Is villain 2 good enough to raise a set on that bored on the flop?
I mean that bored is extremely draw heavy so IMO a decent player should reraise you bet on that bored with a set.
A normal live player would more than likely just call with the intention of raising on the next street.
Again against a good player I would fancy my hand better than I would against a bad player.
Still if you think villain 2 has a set, two pair, or a very strong draw I think you should fold now .
Again how I would play this hand depend a lot on how I rate villain 2 and what I know of him.

Hand2:
As you said I don’t think you played this hand well at all.
Your call on the flop was bad.
This is not a spot where you are miles a head or miles behind.
It’s a very draw heavy board and villain could have made that raise with a lot of hands that you currently beat (either a draw or a made hand) so you should protect it.
You should deffo repot it here.i even like a fold better than a call to be honest simply becuz there is not that many turn cards that you will like at all.
Basically any card that could improve your hand on the turn can easily improve villains hand even more(a diamond can give him a flush and A can give him a str)
Villain can be on a draw, set, two pair, and your flat call will make no attempt on further defining his hand.

ollyk1

Gholimoli wrote:

Hand 1:
Is villain 2 good enough to raise a set on that bored on the flop?
I mean that bored is extremely draw heavy so IMO a decent player should reraise you bet on that bored with a set.
A normal live player would more than likely just call with the intention of raising on the next street.
Again against a good player I would fancy my hand better than I would against a bad player.
Still if you think villain 2 has a set, two pair, or a very strong draw I think you should fold now .
Again how I would play this hand depend a lot on how I rate villain 2 and what I know of him.

Hand2:
As you said I don’t think you played this hand well at all.
Your call on the flop was bad.
This is not a spot where you are miles a head or miles behind.
It’s a very draw heavy board and villain could have made that raise with a lot of hands that you currently beat (either a draw or a made hand) so you should protect it.
You should deffo repot it here.i even like a fold better than a call to be honest simply becuz there is not that many turn cards that you will like at all.
Basically any card that could improve your hand on the turn can easily improve villains hand even more(a diamond can give him a flush and A can give him a str)
Villain can be on a draw, set, two pair, and your flat call will make no attempt on further defining his hand.

Thanks Gholi. I agree with your assessment of both hands.

Hand 1 I almost folded :rolleyes: but I thought the kid was chasing a bit given his situation and so paid off his set of ducks. Villain 1 had K7 or some other magnificant hand but managed to find an agonised fold after a few minutes :rolleyes:

Hand 2 is a raise on the flop I guess. I called telling myself I was excerising "pot control" but I think thats total boll1x on reflection, we weren't deep enough once I call the €60 so I should be shipping it or folding as you say.

Btw I did play some good hands on the night just not these two, I'm a work in progress....

ianmc38

ligger wrote:

Ask Ian TPTK is golden in there.:)

I was waiting for a comment from you. I have a good AQ hand history for you. Q high flop and i lost. How sick is that?

ollyk1

ianmc38 wrote:

I was waiting for a comment from you. I have a good AQ hand history for you. Q high flop and i lost. How sick is that?

5s2s ftw!!

ianmc38

I agree with Gholi on hand 1.

Hand 2, because its the emporium, i think you have to ship it here everytime. If im playing a decent regular like Eamonn or similar, ill always ensure i keep pots small with marginal TP type hands. Against a random punter, pot control goes out the window. Overpairs are absolute monsters. That board looks scary but q2o is coming along for a full pot reraise everytime there. so many hands you beat are in the average gamblores range that your missing out on a huge amount of value by not shoving (this of course is IMHO from my experience in the games there).

ligger

ianmc38 wrote:

I was waiting for a comment from you. I have a good AQ hand history for you. Q high flop and i lost. How sick is that?

Can't believe it TBH. I will have to re read the books could have sworn this was unbeatable.

Stacked a guy with AQ last nite on an KQ2A board

Quack Quack.

ligger

ianmc38 wrote:

If im playing a decent regular like Eamonn or similar, ill always ensure i keep pots small with marginal TP type hands.

After playing with Eamonn on Wednesday nite and see him show down the rockets 4 times in 2 hrs I would agree this is adviseable. He only got quads out of them once..

ianmc38

He had a royal flush and quads in a half hour period tonight.

ligger

ianmc38 wrote:

He had a royal flush and quads in a half hour period tonight.

No bad beat Jackpot?