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AA facing RR on flop

  • 18-04-2007 12:41am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭


    Full Tilt Poker $10 stt
    No Limit Holdem Tournament
    Blinds: t25/t50
    6 players

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: t2740
    dvdfan: t2680
    CO: t1380
    Button: t1575
    SB: t2240
    BB: t2885

    Pre-flop: (6 players) dvdfan is UTG+1 with ac as
    UTG folds, dvdfan raises to t100, 2 folds, SB calls t75 (pot was t175), BB folds.

    Flop: 4d kc 6c (t250, 2 players)
    SB checks, dvdfan bets t150, SB raises to t450??

    Whats the plan here, are we worried about the flush draw and want to end the hand here or do you want to extract more money and just flat call. Should we worried about the check raise and check call the hand down?

    Ive no reads multitabling, can we ever fold here against unknown at this level?


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Flushdraw


    Why would you only minraise preflop with AA, thats a mistake. I wouldnt be flat calling his reraise on the flop. I'd be shipping it and if he has 64o, so be it...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Not another "can you fold aces thread".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    your bet sizing is weird. ship it nnow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    I was multitabling and clock was running out so i just clicked min raise button before i timed out, hadnt time to type my raise into the box.

    I shipped it and he had K4 but i hit my Ace on the river. I was just wondering how you would play it with the combination of the strength or supposed strength of RR and the flush draw on board. I felt RR all in would make any marginal hands that im ahead of fold and any hands that are ahead of me call??

    Guess i nearly paid for min raise mistake too but it couldnt be helped


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,668 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    The min raise pf dictates this hand. His RR shows strength and you are more than likely looking at 2 pair from a typical BB hand. If he had not checked and then RR I might be temped to push but the initial check shows real strength and here I might have just called and then re-evaluated on turn/river.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    dvdfan wrote:
    I was multitabling and clock was running out so i just clicked min raise button before i timed out, hadnt time to type my raise into the box.

    how many tables are u playing out of curiosity? u said in a good few of the threads u had no reads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    I was 4 tabling but poker ace hud wouldnt work on the resizeable full tilt tables which is a pain. I have 2 monitors, the first 4 screens can fit nicely into 1 screen so i think ill run 4 poker spy windows from now on the other table as some sort of read is very important. Hopefull they come out with a update for the resizeable tables soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭connie147


    As said, mimi raising with AA is terrible(actually, minraising with anything is terrible). Your playing €10 sit and gos (multitabling) as you try to build up your bankroll.
    My advice to you is to stop multitabling while your learning this game. Reads on players(from betsizing etc) is so important and your not giving yourself the chance to pick up on this info. 2 tables shoulkd be the max you should be playing at the moment and maybe thats even 1 too many. Study your opponnents early on in the s&g's and take notice of raising frequencies, betsizing, c-bets etc etc. It'll make your returns better in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    As said, mimi raising with AA is terrible(actually, minraising with anything is terrible). Your playing €10 sit and gos (multitabling) as you try to build up your bankroll.
    My advice to you is to stop multitabling while your learning this game. Reads on players(from betsizing etc) is so important and your not giving yourself the chance to pick up on this info. 2 tables shoulkd be the max you should be playing at the moment and maybe thats even 1 too many. Study your opponnents early on in the s&g's and take notice of raising frequencies, betsizing, c-bets etc etc. It'll make your returns better in the long run.

    Im not really looking to build a bankroll at this level, well at least thats not my main aim. Im dropping back to $10 and trying to play around 8-10 stt's a day and im going to review in detail any of the hands i felt that i was unsure i was playing correctly and ill post them on boards. Im also using SNG PowerTools and/or SngWizard to help with ICM calculations and wheter im making +EV moves or not making +EV moves when i should be. I think ive alot of leaks i need to plug or at least judging by my results i do. When im happy ive plugged alot of my leaks ill up my game again to $20 level and then concentrate on building my roll.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭DeadParrot


    I thought you moved to Ubet?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    DeadParrot wrote:
    I thought you moved to Ubet?

    Did and im still there, i like it alot and i like the structure but ive been running crap, i lost 200 playing the $20 on FT and i lost another $200 playing on UB and that was after been up well over a $100 after the first 2 days there. The games are slow to start there alot of the times your waiting 10 mins to start a $20 and its not very multitable friendly, the most i can play is 3 and thats with significant overlap on 1 monitor (i use 2 monitors). So im taking a break from building my roll, multitabling x4 on FT and concentrating on fixing my leaks and improving my game. Im going to take an hour or two a day and review all the important hands and run them through sng wizard and see how it goes.

    When i went to withdraw through FT they were looking for ID etc to be faxed first and cancelled the withdrawal so a large portion of my bankroll is still there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    raise properly pf and youve no decision to make as hes not calling pf.

    play less tables if you cant raise let alone pick up on patterns


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Mr.Plough wrote:
    play less tables if you cant raise let alone pick up on patterns

    As ive said already i was about to timeout and i didnt have time to type a raise, id only time to click the call,fold or min raise button. I didnt time out because i couldnt handle playing 4 tables, i was having trouble configuring Poker Ace Hud to work properly on resizeable tables, whenever i went to click on check/fold buttons the player stats pop window kept blocking the screen and i was a bit all over the place for a few hands until i managed to turn it off. Anyway someone on the other thread said there is a beta poker ace hud version that works with the resizeable tables so ill be able to multi table and get a read and not time out too often


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