Allowing Drink in Casinos ?

BIG-SLICK-POKER

I was in a new Casino in Wexford last night and for the first time in my Poker Life i experienced a side to the game which i taught only existed in Pub Games The Club is nice and staff friendly but to say they are lashing out the drink would be an understatement , The Dealer was in control as much as he could But we were 9 handed and six players were drink ...Two hands in i see KK Guy raises to 20 i re raise to 150 he has 100 left and calls with JQ off suit happy days , But it felt wrong on my part as drink influenced his call..

We have had this only recently on our own Forum and our members feel there is a moral obligation from the owners to control the drink as the sporting emporium do .. In an hour of play i had 3 arguments at the table .. I had people hammered over my shoulder telling others to call my bets , Two women telling each other what they had and other saying what they laid down pre flop ....

The owner was hammered at the blackjack table not even playing ...
I really feel if we are to get a good deal with legislation coming in these are not good adverts for the game .. There were 3 players on the table sober and we were the last 3 on the table after clearing it ... This seems wrong but is the onus on the club or the players ...

Neill K
BIG SLICK EVENTS

carfax

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

I was in a new Casino in Wexford last night and for the first time in my Poker Life i experienced a side to the game which i taught only existed in Pub Games The Club is nice and staff friendly but to say they are lashing out the drink would be an understatement , The Dealer was in control as much as he could But we were 9 handed and six players were drink ...Two hands in i see KK Guy raises to 20 i re raise to 150 he has 100 left and calls with JQ off suit happy days , But it felt wrong on my part as drink influenced his call..

We have had this only recently on our own Forum and our members feel there is a moral obligation from the owners to control the drink as the sporting emporium do .. In an hour of play i had 3 arguments at the table .. I had people hammered over my shoulder telling others to call my bets , Two women telling each other what they had and other saying what they laid down pre flop ....

The owner was hammered at the blackjack table not even playing ...
I really feel if we are to get a good deal with legislation coming in these are not good adverts for the game .. There were 3 players on the table sober and we were the last 3 on the table after clearing it ... This seems wrong but is the onus on the club or the players ...

Neill K
BIG SLICK EVENTS

On the club definitely Neill.

Duff Man Jr.

It should be on the players that were drinking.

RichieLawlor

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

Two hands in i see KK Guy raises to 20 i re raise to 150 he has 100 left and calls with JQ off suit happy days , But it felt GREAT on my part as drink influenced his call AND I KNEW I WOULD GET MORE FROM HIM

Neill K
BIG SLICK EVENTS

We all knew you had no concience Neill:D

bops

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

...There were 3 players on the table sober and we were the last 3 on the table after clearing it ... This seems wrong but is the onus on the club or the players ...

This is truely shocking and unbelievable and wrong!!!!!!!!

...you actually won

killbillvol2

Sounds like the place I was in a couple of months ago. Went in there about 10.30 and everything was fine for a couple of hours. But all drinks are free!

I sipped a Bailey's for about an hour but one guy at my blackjack table must have had 6 G&Ts in an hour. He left and the rest of us closed ranks and had a pretty good game but elsewhere all hell was breaking loose.

At pub closing time and beyond people were coming in ratarsed. The roulette tables were mayhem and there were constant rows at the poker tables.

I got the impression that drinking was being encouraged by the management. My second (and final) Bailey's was a huge measure. Some of the people who were allowed in at 2 am and later would have been refused entry to most nightclubs!

Let's just say I won't be going back.

RoundTower

Almost any argument not to allow drinking and gambling could just as easily be an argument against gambling.

kryogen

I have posted on this matter on other forums including the bsp forum,
i totally disagree with players being allowed to play when so full of alcohol that they are basically sitting ducks at the table. nobody minds someone playing with a couple of drinks on board, but when the player has too much and it impairs his decision making it has to be stopped. I think the club owner has a responsibilty to protect one or more of his members from being the victim of a pack of vultures....sure it might be easy money but if u have no honour in how u play the game why not just set up a rigged house game and cheat people from their money? they have as much chance as the intoxicated player, or better still get a weapon and rob somebody on the street. there is no skill involved in taking candy from a baby

Duff Man Jr.

A few times I have gone on major tilt and dropped a lot of money, Same Difference?

ocallagh

It's definitely up to the casino to ensure the game runs smoothly and they should have rules setup to make sure of this. If players or spectators are not adhering to those rules (drunk or not) they should be warned and asked to leave if they continue to break the rules.

kryogen wrote:

I have posted on this matter on other forums including the bsp forum,
i totally disagree with players being allowed to play when so full of alcohol that they are basically sitting ducks at the table. nobody minds someone playing with a couple of drinks on board, but when the player has too much and it impairs his decision making it has to be stopped. I think the club owner has a responsibilty to protect one or more of his members from being the victim of a pack of vultures....sure it might be easy money but if u have no honour in how u play the game why not just set up a rigged house game and cheat people from their money? they have as much chance as the intoxicated player, or better still get a weapon and rob somebody on the street. there is no skill involved in taking candy from a baby

I don't agree with your analogy. Drinking and losing money is someones choice, getting cheated or robbed isn't.

Handing over responsiblity to the casino manager is ridiculous IMO. It is a personal issue for the gambler and they need to sort it out themselves. One slap on the back of the hand won't help in the slightest... The casino should only step in if the player is incredibly wasted, and as far as i know they all do.I've been refused entry a few times from the SE:)

If a player was seriously pissed and did not know what they were doing I would inform the casino manager and ask to move tables, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone that drunk play poker before.

kryogen

In the new casino in wexford didnt step in when players were totally wasted, they encouraged it...i believe the proprieter himself was plastered on the blackjack table not even playing, more clinging for dear life:D

kakak1

Duff Man Jr. wrote:

It should be on the players that were drinking.

Never heard such shi** is all my life. A drunken person very often is not capable of making a rational decision so how can you say the onus should be on them :eek:

kakak1

ocallagh wrote:

It's definitely up to the casino to ensure the game runs smoothly and they should have rules setup to make sure of this. If players or spectators are not adhering to those rules (drunk or not) they should be warned and asked to leave if they continue to break the rules.


I don't agree with your analogy. Drinking and losing money is someones choice, getting cheated or robbed isn't.

Handing over responsiblity to the casino manager is ridiculous IMO. It is a personal issue for the gambler and they need to sort it out themselves. One slap on the back of the hand won't help in the slightest... The casino should only step in if the player is incredibly wasted, and as far as i know they all do.I've been refused entry a few times from the SE:)

If a player was seriously pissed and did not know what they were doing I would inform the casino manager and ask to move tables, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone that drunk play poker before.

Did you really think out your answer to this one

A casinos rules should include no drunk players at any table.

Drinking is someones choice, losing money is a result of drinking too much and as a result the player loses the ability to make rational decisions.

Like it or not there is a moral issue here which I think most poker players do not want to admit.

OK, answer this one. Would it be wrong to play against a mentally retarded person. If so why

impr0v

kakak1 wrote:

Never heard such shi** is all my life. A drunken person very often is not capable of making a rational decision so how can you say the onus should be on them :eek:

Being drunk and being at a card table comes about as a result of at least one rational decision; to drink enough to become drunk. If the player entered the club sober, then it's two rational decisions. They should take responsibility for their own actions, as opposed to having someone else do it.

Bandana boy

kakak1 wrote:

Did you really think out your answer to this one

A casinos rules should include no drunk players at any table.

Drinking is someones choice, losing money is a result of drinking too much and as a result the player loses the ability to make rational decisions.

Like it or not there is a moral issue here which I think most poker players do not want to admit.

OK, answer this one. Would it be wrong to play against a mentally retarded person. If so why

So its Ok to take money off a bad player
But not if he is bad because he is retarded
and not if he is bad becasue he is drunk

I have issues with drunks at the table but that is because they slow the game up and the good humoured banter I enjoy playing live disappears

I have 100% no problem taking money of somebody who is drunk and making bad plays
Same way i have no problem taking money of a non drunk who's wife just left him or any other of a number of reasons why somebody is not playing well today

impr0v

kakak1 wrote:

OK, answer this one. Would it be wrong to play against a mentally retarded person. If so why

It's not a proper analogy, the theoretical 'mentally retarded person' doesn't have the proper capacity to choose to put themselves in a game where others, unhindered by any handicap, stand to take money from them due to their impaired rationality. The drunk had the capacity, and made choices which led to his/her being at that table.

I think there's even an arguable case for taking advantage of their state to the fullest degree possible.

ZZR1100

Personally i would have no problem with a drunk guy sitting down once he wasn't disrupting the flow of the game too much.
did it myself in vegas(cant resist the free beer) and made sure to keep my emptys beside me to encourage action.
If however someone is becoming " troublesome" , the floor manger should remove them

ocallagh

kakak1 wrote:

Did you really think out your answer to this one

yes

kakak1 wrote:

A casinos rules should include no drunk players at any table.

Even IF they were the rules how on earth is a casino manager going to enforce this? Breathaliser? It would be ridiculous. Lots of people like having a few drinks and playing come cards. Should the casino manager be responsible for getting them home ok too?

kakak1 wrote:

Drinking is someones choice, losing money is a result of drinking too much and as a result the player loses the ability to make rational decisions.

That is their problem, nobody elses. this is key here.

kakak1 wrote:

Like it or not there is a moral issue here which I think most poker players do not want to admit.

would you take money off someone who was learning the game? would you take money off someone who was playing 20 years and still had no idea how to play?

kakak1 wrote:

OK, answer this one. Would it be wrong to play against a mentally retarded person. If so why

yes, it would be wrong because they are mentally retarded.



If someone's stupid enough to get that drunk it's their problem. The casino should not allow an intoxicated person into their establishment for a number of reasons, safety of their other members being the prime one.

If an intoxiacted person did manage to get into a game then I would personally have a problem taking money off them. 4 or 5 pints no problem, but if they were really drunk i'd probably leave the table as i already said.

5starpool

I like it that you cannot get alcohol in the Fitz and hope they keep it that way. I don't like playing against inebriated players. Somewhat drunk, absolutely, but can't count chips, drops cards after exposing them anyways type of players - no.

hotspur

Why does every conversation about Wexford always end up in a debate about drunk retards?

Hitman Actual

hotspur wrote:

Why does every conversation about Wexford always end up in a debate about drunk retards?

lol. You usually have excellent replies in these types of threads. This one was less insightful than usual.

Lissavalley

Bandana boy wrote:

So its Ok to take money off a bad player
But not if he is bad because he is retarded
and not if he is bad becasue he is drunk

I have issues with drunks at the table but that is because they slow the game up and the good humoured banter I enjoy playing live disappears

I have 100% no problem taking money of somebody who is drunk and making bad plays
Same way i have no problem taking money of a non drunk who's wife just left him or any other of a number of reasons why somebody is not playing well today

Agreed. Someone is going to take their money and Im gonna try make sure its me.

Ive gone down on occasion drunk (Not totally wasted) and often lost. (Ive sometimes won big too) But Ive never blamed anyone bar myself if I went down drunk and lost some money.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

kakak1 wrote:

OK, answer this one. Would it be wrong to play against a mentally retarded person. If so why

I never had a problem taking money off u Dave , Defect or no defect Lol

mdwexford

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

I never had a problem taking money off u Dave , Defect or no defect Lol

lmfao, quality

bops

hotspur wrote:

Why does every conversation about Wexford always end up in a debate about drunk retards?

how the fk do ye think i manage to win money in cash games????

kakak1

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

I never had a problem taking money off u Dave , Defect or no defect Lol

good one kelly, cnut

kakak1

mdwexford wrote:

lmfao, quality

u 2 cnut

DeVore

I wont play somewhere where there are regularly p*ssed players or where the clubs dish out tons of booze. I dont like it, it makes it hard to play and there are other reasons (more personal/internal). Thats not to say I wont play with someone who is inebriated but I dont like it. Its the main reason you dont see me much in the SE because when it started it was full of drunks.

So, if the club wants my business they will manage this. If not, they wont. I'm guessing my business is worth more then one-off drunks, but its market forces.

Sorry I didnt address the moral issues... morals to me are about what-I'll-do rather then what-you-shouldn't.

DeV.

Frankygolucky

I am off to Wexford for a holiday,seems like the place for Me !

hotspur

DeVore wrote:

Sorry I didnt address the moral issues... morals to me are about what-I'll-do rather then what-you-shouldn't.
DeV.

Maybe if people in the world posted moral HH's the same way we post poker HH's then they could learn from those who have studied ethics more, and make more correct moral decisions in the future. This is one way in which a secular society is a bit -EV.

Mind you if any of you have ever had the cringing experience of having read Sklansky's own forum on 2+2 where he spouts juvenile moral ponderings, it may be a bad idea. He may be good at maths but he's a stupid, stupid man.

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

Yup. Check out the Personal Issues forum on here. *Shudder.

I didn't know Sklansky posted in PI? :eek:

El Stuntman

bops wrote:

how the fk do ye think i manage to win money in cash games????

by hitting runner runner flushes with 47s?

phantom_lord

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

Yup. Aside from Sklansky and 2+2, check out the Personal Issues forum on here for the Irish equivalent. *Shudder.

EDIT: So that it is now Dom proofed.

he's not lying kids

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055080102
lol