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Who is Jacob?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    SumGuy wrote:
    Is it possible that Jacob isn't real?
    Maybe Ben made him up, built him up as a glorified leader, so that Ben could justify any of his own actions by saying that they came from Jacob's orders...
    Also Ben would seem more on the same level as the other Others as they would all be working for somebody else

    Nah i think he is real. I mean Juliet said she trusted Jacob. I think she has met Jacob also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    logik wrote:
    Nah i think he is real. I mean Juliet said she trusted Jacob. I think she has met Jacob also.
    "In God We Trust"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    "Our leader is a great man...but he is not a forgiving one" - Ben

    Since we found out that Ben is sort of in charge at the others camp, I thought Ben was talking about himself. But he could be talking about Jacob.

    Didn't Mikhail (eyepatchy) say something about their leader as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    "Our leader is a great man...but he is not a forgiving one" - Ben

    Since we found out that Ben is sort of in charge at the others camp, I thought Ben was talking about himself. But he could be talking about Jacob.

    Didn't Mikhail (eyepatchy) say something about their leader as well?
    Yeah, I suppose it's hard to take anything Ben says at face value


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Brianb8802


    6th wrote:
    Walt is Jacob.


    Since season 1 I have thought that in the end of it all walt will be the one who makes the island "special", maybe not everything about the island, but he has a huge part in it. I said it here ages ago aswell, but most people laughed it off. I'm still convinced that in the end of the whole lost thing, that walt will be the head hancho of the island


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    as far as i could work it out yes Walt was one of those "special" people (like Locke) and that he would have been high up on Jacobs list. but Ben's need for Jack because of his tumor meant that Jacob ok'd the swap of Walt for Jack, Kate and Sawyer (mostly jack) while sending Hugo back to scare the other losties into not looking for the others camp. and although it is quite possible that Walt and his dad are still in the others possesion, when Ben asks Juliet if she trusts jacob the plane had only just crashed and nobody knew about walt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


    Didn't Mikhail (eyepatchy) say something about their leader as well?

    Yeah Mikhail said more or less the exact same things Ben had to say about Jacob. Maybe the Others have been brainwashed by some cult leader who likes to refer to himself as Jacob?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Kanney


    I think ths question should be ''what'' is jacob. Either that or it is Jacks daddy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Brianb8802 wrote:
    Since season 1 I have thought that in the end of it all walt will be the one who makes the island "special", maybe not everything about the island, but he has a huge part in it. I said it here ages ago aswell, but most people laughed it off. I'm still convinced that in the end of the whole lost thing, that walt will be the head hancho of the island

    How mate. As we have seen now, the Others did not plan the plane crash, so how could they have even known about Walt. Walt came to the Island with a plane crash, he was not actively sought out by the Others to be their leader.

    Walt can't be Jacob, and neither can any of the plane crash survivors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    This Jacob is really annoying me, none of it seems to add up. Karl's words "God loves you as he loved Jacob" suggests he's dead. A prophet or former leader perhaps who led Ben's people to the island, a great man, etc.

    But Patchy and Ben's recent comments indicate he's still alive, and not on the island, how else could he personally take care of Rachel's cancer? He's hardly hiding in a cave somewhere letting Ben run the show.

    Jacob turning out to be one of the survivors is ridiculous imo. Related or connected to one them? Very probable. Jack's dad? No way, apart from the fact that he's dead, he was no "great man" (Jack certainly didn't think so). But then again Lindelof is a huge Star Wars fan and I wouldn't put it past him to stick in a "I am your father" moment. There's no shortage of evil daddies to fill the role.

    Widmore? He's definitely connected to the island in a big way but Jacob? I don't think so.

    Could Jacob be Alvar Hanso (who founded Dharma)?

    Arrggghhhh need answers now! :D But if the rumours are true it won't be long (3x20). It's probably someone we haven't met yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Well i think that it is obvious that Jacob is not on the Island at all. He is in fact living in real world. He founded the entire Dharma project.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭PullMyFinger!


    well ....
    3.20 - The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben Centered)

    The past of the island is explored including how Dharma came to be there, why, and what the fateful 'purge' was really all about. Flashbacks will show Ben through various ages up until adulthood. The mysterious 'Jacob' will finally be revealed, and the question of whether any Dharma members still live will be revealed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    well ....
    3.20 - The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben Centered)

    The past of the island is explored including how Dharma came to be there, why, and what the fateful 'purge' was really all about. Flashbacks will show Ben through various ages up until adulthood. The mysterious 'Jacob' will finally be revealed, and the question of whether any Dharma members still live will be revealed

    Where did you get this info mate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    logik, check out DarkUFO's blog. He compiles spoilers from around the net, including his own sources. Best Lost site on the interweb. Spoiler heaven, be ware! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    logik, check out DarkUFO's blog. He compiles spoilers from around the net, including his own sources. Best Lost site on the interweb. Spoiler heaven, be ware! :)

    Cheers mate, will do :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


    I think it's fair to assume Jacob is a male who holds/held a lead role in the Others' social hierarchy, but where he is and whether or not he's still alive is questionable. The Movementarians, the leader?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    upmeath wrote:
    I think it's fair to assume Jacob is a male who holds/held a lead role in the Others' social hierarchy, but where he is and whether or not he's still alive is questionable. The Movementarians, the leader?

    We know that Ben was born on the Island making him a native. So Jacob could be the oldest living native left. Kinda like a Chief.

    Than again, the impression we get is that Jacob is living on the mainland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Brianb8802


    logik wrote:
    How mate. As we have seen now, the Others did not plan the plane crash, so how could they have even known about Walt. Walt came to the Island with a plane crash, he was not actively sought out by the Others to be their leader.

    Walt can't be Jacob, and neither can any of the plane crash survivors.

    Sorry, i didnt mean that walt was going to be jacob:o, i meant that he was going to be somebody really important when the whole lost thing comes to an end, imo he is alot more special than locke


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    Brianb8802 wrote:
    Sorry, i didnt mean that walt was going to be jacob:o, i meant that he was going to be somebody really important when the whole lost thing comes to an end, imo he is alot more special than locke
    Not anymore. Walt pissed off in a nice boat, Locke's still on the island. Locke's surely more important for that reason alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Not anymore. Walt pissed off in a nice boat, Locke's still on the island. Locke's surely more important for that reason alone.

    Brianb8802 - i wasn't having a go at you, sorry if it sounded like that.

    Haven't a Clue - Yeah Walt was meant to be in that boat, not sure he actually was, but Desmond sailed around the island ans said it like a snow globe, no way off it. So i think Michael and Walt are being held still.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    logik wrote:
    Haven't a Clue - Yeah Walt was meant to be in that boat, not sure he actually was, but Desmond sailed around the island ans said it like a snow globe, no way off it. So i think Michael and Walt are being held still.

    gotta agree with that otherwise why would the sub be so important, if all you needed was an old boat and some co-ordinates to follow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    gotta agree with that otherwise why would the sub be so important, if all you needed was an old boat and some co-ordinates to follow

    Exactly mate, that was my frame of mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


    logik wrote:
    Than again, the impression we get is that Jacob is living on the mainland.

    Yeah it's almost as though Ben is making decisions and taking actions under the influence of an outside voice, their mainland correspondent in this "greater network" of the Others. At least that's the sort of vibe I've been getting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    logik wrote:
    Yeah Walt was meant to be in that boat, not sure he actually was, but Desmond sailed around the island ans said it like a snow globe, no way off it. So i think Michael and Walt are being held still.

    But why would Ben make such a big deal about keeping his word and then pretend to let Michael go? Why not just laugh and pull a bag over his head like the others?

    Maybe the coordinates he gave him was the direction the sub was in and it picked Michael and Walt up and brought them the rest of the way. Ben did say go this way and you'll be rescued. Ben didn't want Jack and co to know about the sub which is why it didn't come to the ferry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


    I don't know, I'm very reluctant to make a definite decision on the fate of Michael and MaBoi!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Brianb8802


    logik wrote:
    Brianb8802 - i wasn't having a go at you, sorry if it sounded like that.
    Yeah thats cool didnt think you were, i just didnt make myself clear in my first post
    Maybe the coordinates he gave him was the direction the sub was in and it picked Michael and Walt up and brought them the rest of the way. Ben did say go this way and you'll be rescued. Ben didn't want Jack and co to know about the sub which is why it didn't come to the ferry.

    I likes your thinkin, good theory


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    But why would Ben make such a big deal about keeping his word and then pretend to let Michael go? Why not just laugh and pull a bag over his head like the others?

    Maybe the coordinates he gave him was the direction the sub was in and it picked Michael and Walt up and brought them the rest of the way. Ben did say go this way and you'll be rescued. Ben didn't want Jack and co to know about the sub which is why it didn't come to the ferry.

    Yeah Ben had the ability to do what he wanted to Michael. I just don't think that Ben would let what he called "Special" refering to Walt go from the Island. Micheal was becoming a pain in the ass for the Others and he was starting to annoy me also, with all his shouting. The only way for the Others to get him to shut up was to give him the impression that they were going to let him and his son leave the Island.

    So far Ben has not let any of his own people leave the Island, why would he let Walt and Michael go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Well, I don't think he wanted to let them go. He said he wasn't happy with the agreement that was made with Michael (presumingly by Klugh) in his absence but that they keep their word. He also said they got more than they bargained for with Walt (whatever that means).

    Ben had very good reason for not letting Juliet and Jack go. Juliet because of the importance of her research and Jack because he's the leader of the survivors. But I do think he would have let them go if Locke hadn't shown up. Remember what he told John that the sub maintains the illusion and keeps his people happy. If he were to start holding everyone prisoner and breaking his promises his people would revolt.

    Maybe this is all a big stretch but Ben is my favourite character and I really think he is one of the "good guys". His lies and manipulations have a purpose, some greater good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    Of course it could be that there is no Jacob (or he is dead) and Ben is pretending that he still lives to maintain control.

    The title of episode 3x20 would indicate that some manner of con is going on.
    "I am the great and powerful Oz!"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Yes i would agree with what you say, based on Ben in eps, prior to Season 3. In Season 3 Ben seems to be getting more and more desperate. Jacob may have asked Ben to figure out why people on the Island cannot have babies. Ben does not want to let this “Jacob” figure down and he would do anything to succeed. We don’t know how long the problem has existed on the Island. All we do know is that Juliet was taken there over 3 years ago. 3+ years is a long time for people to be researching the same area with no positive results and Jacob may be becoming annoyed at the lack of progress.

    So lets say after 3+ years Bens people start getting tired of this research and start asking to go home. Now this puts Ben in a nasty situation and the only way for him to keep them there is to pretend he had nothing to do with the sub being blown up. He is covering his own ass and it is only a matter of time before the Others find this out.


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