Few Irish Open Hands

Goodluck2me

A) Blinds just hit 50-100, i havent opened a pot yet and this is my first hand to play whilst not in the blinds.
I have JJ and i limp UTG (not sure why) next player to act raises to 400, folded to me i think about re-raising but just call, thinking my hand would be fairly well disguised. (villain has only played one other hand where he raised AJo UTG and hit JJ flop and slow played it.)
Flop is 778 i check, villain bets 900. i call.
Turn is 9 completing the rainbow.... i??


B)This hand is about 45 minutes and several hands later (i.e. ive played several hands since). i have 4200 back. Blinds still 50-100, Villain B raises to 350 from the HJ, Im in the SB and repop it to 800 with AA. Villain Calls. (villain in FBD btw), flop come Ad5d7d. I? (1800)

c) Just a general question, if you think someone is weak and will fold how often is it correct to shove all in with ATC knowing you have huge folding equity?

HiCloy

A: I think the most normal hands to Limp Call UTG are 66-TT. If the player who raised was UTG+1 I would check fold the turn, very weak I know, but you don't beat much.

B: Raise more preflop, you pretty much minraised, not something I'd want to do from OOP. As played I'd lead for 1200 an call a push


On a side note, Irish Open to Jackpot €20 freezeout within a week!

El Stuntman

goodluck2 wrote:

Villain B raises to 350 from the HJ

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LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

One to the right of the cutoff. Get with the lingo old man.

you made that up, admit it and I will forgive you this once

The Tourist

El Stuntman wrote:

you made that up, admit it and I will forgive you this once

HJ = Hijack = one to the right of the cutoff.

BobSloane

Hand 1 is a real mess I think as when you play JJ this passively oop you have no clue where you stand. Its very hard to put him on any hand. Seeing as you limped and got raised(which is what I assume u wanted to happen) I think you should re-raise preflop and lead out. I probably wouldn't limp there in the first place though.

Hand 2 - what Hicloy said

Question 3- If your reads are spot on then I think it's always correct. You have to pick your spots obviously or you will be called down light after a while.

And yeah..? Has HectorJelly had a position at the table named after him in honour of his recent Jerry MaGuire-esque epiphany?

5starpool

El Stuntman wrote:

you made that up, admit it and I will forgive you this once

If it helps I was confused as to what HectorJelly wsa doing playing in that game as well. New term to me.

Hitman Actual

A. Keeping it slow might get you an extra bet out of him on the turn or river, but if you play it strong he's gone unless you're behind (and the pot size will be getting tricky). So don't go mad.

B. I wouldn't be particularly worried about the FD, to be honest. I think it will be hard for you to get paid here though. I think I'd be trying to get the money in in some way, but I doubt he puts the money in unless he's ahead (or has 55/77).

C. Probably depends on stack sizes/blinds. The question is a bit obscure.

ditpoker

move up levels.

Lissavalley

1st hand you have to raise pf. As played the only hands you beat are ak/aq and 1010. I check fold here as impossible to know where you stand.

Hand 2 I lead for 1100 to 1400 and call a push. Unless he has ak with the king of diamonds, or a set you wont get much action, baring the flopped flush of course.

Hitman Actual

goodluck2me wrote:

A)

c) Just a general question, if you think someone is weak and will fold how often is it correct to shove all in with ATC knowing you have huge folding equity?

I'm still not sure what the question is. Is it pre-flop? How many players to act? How sure are you that the person will fold (this is the dominant part of the equation when it comes to folding equity)?

Four-Too

Hand 1: You don't disguise JJ, unless you're against a pro. Re-raise preflop. The check-call on the flop is horrendous. If he bet the turn, reach for chips and count out as if you are raising - then look at his reaction to get a read.

Hand 2: To flat call the raise on sb more effective, then check-raise the flop. You risk losing less chips if someone hits trips, and people are not worried about a big hand when you flat call the raise. When you re-raise preflopon sb, all eyes are on you, and if a dodgy flop comes for you, people could sense weakness and raise you massively!

ianmc38

hand 1 raise preflop. i dont mind check folding the turn if he's the type of player who can fire 3 big barrels.

hand 2 your raise size is awful and is just udner a minraise. make it 1200 as you are oop

RoundTower

A) I check, if he bets it depends what I think of him but I probably call. I don't really like preflop and I rarely go broke on the river. Assuming 10k stacks.
I think preflop is OK since you are so short. Now I lead for 1100 and hope to get all in.
c) Every time? Maybe I don't understand.

phantom_lord

Four-Too wrote:

The check-call on the flop is horrendous.

why?

phantom_lord

a) i'd probably check call
b) lead out for 1200ish, ship it if possible.

Goodluck2me

oen small mistake was that it was raised to 250 preflop and i made it 800 - i NEVER minraise nor anything near it. it must have been at the 25-50 level.

Goodluck2me

lenny_leonard wrote:

A. Keeping it slow might get you an extra bet out of him on the turn or river, but if you play it strong he's gone unless you're behind (and the pot size will be getting tricky). So don't go mad.

this was my thinking he didnt have to have a monster to raise preflop i.e. Ajo UTG, he also tended to slowplay big hands so i thought i knew where i would be in the hand with him. i check called - as he bets hands that dont beat beat me and folds then if i bet. i also wanted to keep the pot quite small OOP.

lennyleonard wrote:

B. I wouldn't be particularly worried about the FD, to be honest. I think it will be hard for you to get paid here though. I think I'd be trying to get the money in in some way, but I doubt he puts the money in unless he's ahead (or has 55/77).

i was worried per sae about the flush draw it was more a question of if i check and a diamond comes i cant bet or call for value then and he could end up winning it with a sh1tty flush.

lenny wrote:

C. Probably depends on stack sizes/blinds. The question is a bit obscure.

I meant pre flop, if you have a tell/read on a player and there are maximum of one player to act behind you should you squeeze as a matter of course, or is it something which should onyl be done ever so rarely. i dont mean getting it in every round, but surely more than once a tournament.

Goodluck2me

ianmc38 wrote:

hand 1 raise preflop. i dont mind check folding the turn if he's the type of player who can fire 3 big barrels.

i take it you mean with a hand, or does it matter? if he can fire 3 bluffs should we still fold as we cant be sure where we stand?

Ian wrote:

hand 2 your raise size is awful and is just udner a minraise. make it 1200 as you are oop

fixed, i never min raise so was just a factual err. it went 250->800 iirc.

Goodluck2me

Four-Too wrote:

Hand 1: You don't disguise JJ, unless you're against a pro. Re-raise preflop. The check-call on the flop is horrendous. If he bet the turn, reach for chips and count out as if you are raising - then look at his reaction to get a read.

seriously?why?

Four-Too wrote:

Hand 2: To flat call the raise on sb more effective, then check-raise the flop. You risk losing less chips if someone hits trips, and people are not worried about a big hand when you flat call the raise. When you re-raise preflopon sb, all eyes are on you, and if a dodgy flop comes for you, people could sense weakness and raise you massively!

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

move up levels and do not go all in with j4o next time:)

Goodluck2me

Matthew Obnoxious Statistic wrote:

move up levels and do not go all in with j4o next time:)

you were never calling youd have given it all the chat and folded. simple. good read.

Four-Too

Bad check call, beacuse a Q-K-A possible on turn. Then you must check fold! Represent a big hand by a check raise. He doesn't have a 7, but big problem with J-10 after turn. Even if he HAS AA, KK or QQ. He might fold to a big raise.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

goodluck2me wrote:

you were never calling youd have given it all the chat and folded. simple. good read.

lol i dont know you have me doubting myself now.

ianmc38

generally i find its better to fold in a situation where you've no idea where you stand and could be asked a question for your whole stack

ianmc38

generally i find its better to fold in a situation where you've no idea where you stand and could be asked a question for your whole stack

Flushdraw

Just incase you didnt hear him the first time..

sikes

H1: I dont like preflop, you give up the hand when a overcard hits which is a lot of the time. I wouldnt like a three bet here, his range is tight enough as it is and we are essentially bluffing and I dont think he is folding enough. If he calls preflop, we have to essentially shut down. Now, if he bets the turn, I prob let it go without any other info.

H2: If its a raise from 350->800 its bad. If its 250->800 ok.

c) as soon as he folds enough for it to be profitable you should shove.

cardshark202

Hand 1: Don't limp preflop, as played limp-raising would be terrible. I would prob c/c turn now and c/f river if he fires big.

Hand 2: Re-raise a bit more preflop, lead flop and try and get it all in

Q3) Not sure how to answer a question like that depends on the player

Jesus Wept

Four-Too wrote:

Bad check call, beacuse a Q-K-A possible on turn. Then you must check fold! Represent a big hand by a check raise. He doesn't have a 7, but big problem with J-10 after turn. Even if he HAS AA, KK or QQ. He might fold to a big raise.

I don't agree with this logic. The risk of an A, K, or Q falling is the risk you take for keeping the pot at a managable size, it also might even slow him down.

If he has AA, KK, or QQ, he is likely going no where to a big raise.

MrPillowTalk

Both these hands are pretty standard.

Check call usually on hand 1

Bet out half to twothirds pot on hand 2 start funking for the paired board if he has it made.

Hitman Actual

Four-Too wrote:

Hand 1: You don't disguise JJ, unless you're against a pro. Re-raise preflop. The check-call on the flop is horrendous. If he bet the turn, reach for chips and count out as if you are raising - then look at his reaction to get a read.

Re-raising preflop is a bit pointless. And check-calling the flop is standard.

Hitman Actual

goodluck2me wrote:

I meant pre flop, if you have a tell/read on a player and there are maximum of one player to act behind you should you squeeze as a matter of course, or is it something which should onyl be done ever so rarely. i dont mean getting it in every round, but surely more than once a tournament.

So you expect the original player to fold, and you're worried about a player (who still has to act) waking up with a hand? It still depends on stack sizes/blind sizes/original pot size. If a guy limped for 50 and you both had 10K stacks, would you push? It only matters when blinds get big and stacks get relatively smaller, as then you're making a wager that has some point to it. A player still to act should only wake up with a hand less than 5% of the time (or only 2% of the time with, say, QQ+, AK). So I wouldn't really worry about that. There's a maths solution to how often you should push, and it depends on the original pot size (bigger is obviously better), how often the first player will fold (higher is obviously better), the probablilty of anyone left to act waking up with a hand (which is negligible), and stack sizes if you do get called (small stacks relative to blinds are better).

In saying all that, it definitely converges to 100% of the time.

Goodluck2me

cardshark202 wrote:

Hand 1: Don't limp preflop, as played limp-raising would be terrible. I would prob c/c turn now and c/f river if he fires big.

Hand 2: Re-raise a bit more preflop, lead flop and try and get it all in

Q3) Not sure how to answer a question like that depends on the player

this is essentially what i did in the first two hands.


Hand 1 - im not sure why i limped btu when it was raised i thought my hand was pretty well disguised, the only problem was that i thought because it was well disguised i might have given up a little too easy as he couldnt put me on a hand => not needing one himself.
I check called the flop, i really should have Checked the turn but thought he might have been simply cont bettign the flop and might pass, i also wouldnt have known where i stood had an overcard fallen on the river. he essentially min-raised me though, my read was that it was for information as i had dwelled up several times throughout the hand. i called as a 6 cards improved me on the river and he was likely to check behind on the river. I called another 8 came on the river leaving the board 87798, i check and he checked behind showing KK.

Hand 2 - I raised from 250->800 preflop. I then led at the pot for 1200 from my 4100 stack and would have called a push. FBD folded and i was neither happy/sad about it.

Hand 3 - it was my exit hand but ive gone out of a few tournaments liek this in spots where ive been unlucky i think rather than playign it poorly. Button (8.5K) Raises to 1300 (200-400) every other raise has been 1200, i also have one other tell. so i decide im pushing (8.4K) all in regardless of my hand as i have plenty of folding equity and there is already 2050 out there, i see J4o and push. the BB 9K (patrick mortenson) then dwells for about 5-6 mins and calls me with 99. Button passes QTo. I think the hand was standard but have been second guessing myself since.
FWIW i went out of JPs game in similar fashion the week before when BB had AA, obv results orientated thinking, but some people have said to me that i neednt put myself in those situations in a deep stacked long structured games. i disagree as when the standard is high any chance to increase your stack by 25% should be taken. opinions?

Goodluck2me

Four-Too wrote:

Bad check call, beacuse a Q-K-A possible on turn. Then you must check fold! Represent a big hand by a check raise. He doesn't have a 7, but big problem with J-10 after turn. Even if he HAS AA, KK or QQ. He might fold to a big raise.

i disagrre with this, he wont be holding the AK and Q, i wont be automatically folding once they come. it also gives him a chance to bluff.

phantom_lord

could u not just stick in a raise tho? rather than shoving, 9k over the top of a 1.3k raise is a bit much?