Fox Hunting discussion today on Corks 96FM

Trojan911

All,

There was a discussion on Corks 96FM today on foxhunting and guns in general. A text vote has also been cast on "The Opinion Line", which is broadcast between 9am - 12 noon & hosted by Neil Prendeville, on whether fox hunting should be banned. The presenter promised a continuation on the topic tomorrow (13th April) and the text vote results. Log onto www.96fm.ie & follow the link to "Listen Live Now" to hear the discussion.. (Should you wish).


All the best


TJ911...

BryanL

sound man will get on it,a friend is part of a big text ring that has swung alot of these votes recently
Bryan

doctor evil

Do they have an archive of live discussions?, also whats the number please.

BryanL

this is the text number,085 7379696
lets get on this one,it's important for politicians to hear that it's not going to be a vote winner
Bryan

Rovi

What are we supposed to put in the text message; yes, no, I agree, I disagree, fox hunting should be banned, fox hunting should not be banned, etc?

Apologies if I've missed something somewhere, but I don't see anything about it on the station's home page (http://www.96fm.ie/).

thelurcher

Rovi - I got a text about this yesterday - Text VOTE NO to 0857379696

I hadn't been listening so I hope that's the pro hunting line :rolleyes:
I got the text from a reliable PRO hunting person.

Rovi

thelurcher wrote:

Rovi - I got a text about this yesterday - Text VOTE NO to 0857379696

I hadn't been listening so I hope that's the pro hunting line :rolleyes:
I got the text from a reliable PRO hunting person.

Thanks for that. Text sent, and a bunch of buddies asked to do the same.

Trojan911

thelurcher wrote:

Rovi - I got a text about this yesterday - Text VOTE NO to 0857379696

I hadn't been listening so I hope that's the pro hunting line :rolleyes:
I got the text from a reliable PRO hunting person.

Correct...

To vote No then just enter the words vote no and text it to 0857379696 nothing else in the text field. The poll is still running....


TJ911

Trojan911

Rovi wrote:

I don't see anything about it on the station's home page

Not on the homepage or the website it was generated during the show....

TJ911...

maglite

12000pro vs. 147against

and we get a mention


how can you tell where the vote comes from
is it not a mobile number?



also 96fm can you guarentee that the anti's are not doing the the same "manipulation"

Vegeta

so we lost then, big surprise there

thelurcher

Again I wasn't listening today but the DJ is saying that the hunting community has 'fixed' the results by getting people to text no from all over the country.

You'd have to wonder about that 'logic'

It just proves that there's a lot more people passioante about hunting that will take the time to vote.
Why didn't the antis do the same - it was an open vote after all - they also have many more websites than us to publisise this kind of thing.
90% of the people I hunt with don't know what the internet is and certainly don't have an email address.

Vegeta

hang on hang on wait a minute, so we won

Vegeta

I just read the post that said 12000 pro and thought that they were in favour of banning.

If the 12000 were against the ban of fox hunting then that's class

thelurcher

Just read your post after mine Vegeta - I thought we won :eek:

thelurcher

We're posting at the same time nearly - I'm getting confused now :rolleyes: - anyone able to clarify.

Vegeta

my head hurts

Sparks

12000pro vs. 147against

Well, damn we're good

maglite

we won by 11853 votes

Sparks

Not to mention it's fair and square; we told pro-hunting people about the poll, we didn't hack the site or anything like that. Informed democracy in action...

maglite

i have just found out that 96fm are owned by utv

a company that comes from a region where fox hunting is banned , and soon to be extended to N ireland


Is there an alterer motive behind this pole?
would there be as much up roar if the vote went neil's way?

BryanL

20-30 anti's have been shouting the loudest for years...........................but the tables have turned big time
he is a person I don't like, but it's important that everyone knows who's in the real majority(of the people that care)
he even read out an email i sent,Lurcher i think i know the guy,for the last 2 years i would say everyone of these votes have been won,the IMFHA(foxhound organisation) seem to have a good "texting Tree" going.basically you have a group in your mobile under hunting and whenever you hear of a show or a poll send out the message.
for too long these guys have been trotting out the line that 80% or whatever appose this or that,they never quote the polls when the go against.
it's the same with emailing TD's about the licience it doesn't have to be poetry,just
i'd like to vote for you,was wondering how you feel about the huge increase in licencing my gun etc
lets keep winning
Bryan

Clare gunner

This txting tree.Well, what a great way to get our messages to a TD and canditates personally.Some of them do give out their mobile phone nos[fools:D ] that are proably "work mobiles" but if it consists of txts short and sweet about the liscense fee hikes,and the inbox is jammed with messages as well regarding this matter.........
And of COURSE it isnt harrasment as each message and txt came from a different number..... If you know one mobile number and somone else is intrested pass them on in PMs.They return another TDs number,next person passes on a new number and the other two,ad infinitum.
What do youse think???

Trojan911

BryanL wrote:

he even read out an email i sent

All,

Keep sending in the emails; neil@96fm.ie, I sent in a text (0857379696) to the show today & got a call back asking me to clarify a point I made, the show is coming back to the topic on Monday morning I was told, unless something else takes priority. This could be an oppertunity to voice your opinions. www.96fm.ie 9am - 12noon.


TJ911...

Clare gunner

Might want to point out that the Antis are always parrotting a figure of 80% or thereabouts against,fox hunting&coursing.That survey was done around 1976!!!!!Things might have changed a bit since then.
Their last survey they aer using a survey paid from by the Leauge against Cruel sports.As the Irish Indo last week.
A UK organisation tha has supplied the Irish antis with posters,advice ,etc for years.Either the Irish antis are broke,and they need charity form a UK organisation.Or they are basically a British organisation in disguise,and there isnt actually that many people against fieldsports as they claim.

BryanL

they have probably never had as many texts but we'll keep it going,well done trojan

bullets

there was a piece on Limerick Live 95 FM this
morning that mentioned the price hikes I only caught the tail end
of it as I dont listen to the radio too much.

Presenter John Prendavile or Predagast not sure what his name was
was asking a farmer from Cork what he thought about the
gun licence price increases and would the farmers be reacting to it.
Farmer had mentioned that his gun was part of the management of a farm
and how he was up at 3am every morning checking on his lamb'ing.
There was a mention the fox numbers are up due to more forrestry and the ban
of poison and also that some white tailed eagle could be a threat to farmers
lambs.

~B

Trojan911

Lads,

This is an oppertunity to voice your opinions in a positive way on air. You can call the show between 9am - 12noon (1850715996) week days to voice your opinions and you may get an oppertunity to go on air to do this. 96FM is the most listened to station in Cork & County & Neils show grabs a huge chunk of that audience, including politicians.

bullets wrote:

there was a piece on Limerick Live 95 FM this
morning that mentioned the price hikes

Give 96FM a call on monday morning and see if they will have you on air.


TJ911...

BryanL

good call sparks but you should edit the quote in Trojan's aa well if you can
don't worry i kept my email very civil
it'd be nice to have a text poll we could quote in future that shows huntings support
Bryan

Sparks

Edited all the uncivil language I spotted out. C'mon guys, I'd prefer to be scoring the nationals here, not checking for bad language!

BryanL

just while every one is busy emailing T.D's here's a bit more work for you.
Basically the anti's have set up a page to get Fine Gael,to ban hunting etc.

http://www.banbloodsports.com/ln-0703j.htm
if anything these guys are an example of what a tiny minority can do
might be worth your while to email some support to Enda Kenny and also query the licence increase
oh and use spell check!add your address,if anyone has a similar letter please post it so we can cut and paste,thanks

enda.kenny@finegael.ie

Dear Mr Kenny,
I am writing to thank you for Fine Gael's support of Irish hunting, shooting and fishing. To my mind these activities add greatly to the diversity of this country. I know some would prefer we follow England and ban hunting, but if we could look beyond England we would see hunting and shooting are very popular in all European countries. You may be aware that there is a law in Sweden,Norway and Finland called " everyman's Law" which protects the right of every one to hunt, shoot and fish within reasonable (scientificaly set) limits.
Could i also take this opportunity to query the propossed increase in the gun licene fee? While the administration involed has decreased it seems the cost to keep a gun legal and licenced will increase,any help you could give in the matter would be appreciated.
yours sincerely,

Vegeta

done

Clare gunner

My sentiments exactly Bryan L.
Learn from your enemies!:rolleyes:

Trojan911

BryanL wrote:

might be worth your while to email some support to Enda Kenny and also query the licence increase

Here is mine.....

Dear Sir,

Having returned from the U.K. in 2003 I will be voting, for the first time after a period of fifteen years away from Ireland, in the coming General Election.

I am somewhat disappointed and disillusioned with the present day Government with their policies, broken promises, lack of action, negative publicity in the press and media and their preposterous proposals should they be re-elected. I am of the firm belief that they have now overstayed their welcome and should accept that change is imminent. So, I am looking around at present to decide where my vote would be best cast.

I work hard to support my family and earn enough to get by. My sport and leisure is shooting and hunting. I contribute a great deal to the local farming community by culling vermin that destroy their livelihood throughout the year.

I am most incensed to learn there is proposal to increase the Firearms Licences by the present Government. I am in total agreement with a three year licence as it would cut down the administration workload thus putting more members of An Garda Síochana onto the streets where they are most needed. However the increased hike, in my opinion, is unacceptable and should this proposal be set in stone it would make my sport and leisure activities, and many others no doubt, harder to pursue.

I respectfully ask and would be grateful if you could look into this proposal and preferably consider voicing your disapproval thus enabling the shooting community to continue their sport/hobby/leisure without having to fork out a fortune in fees every three years.

I look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely.

_________________________________________________________________


The more the merrier....

TJ911...

doctor evil

Done, will send a letter in the post soon. Is there anyone else an email/letter can be sent to?.

Sparks

From the Indo today:

Huge support for hunting

Your correspondent, John Fitzgerald, was at his best (Letters, April 14). Having accused the fox hunting fraternity of predictability and dredging up the old arguments in favour of hunting he goes on to reel off a string of anti-hunt arguments which would hardly hold up at a meeting of the flat earth society. Firstly he quotes the results of the Milward Brown survey on fox hunting which purports to show a majority opposed to it. Of course he neglects to inform readers that this survey was not taken in this jurisdiction.

He also chooses to ignore the more recent survey undertaken by Cork's 96FM which had over 12,000 votes in favour of hunting versus a massive 147 against. This poll is very much in line with other polls conducted by Sky TV and TV3.

He gives a colourful account of "terrified" foxes being dug out of their earths and thrown to the hounds. If John Fitzgerald actually knows of any such incident (as opposed to reading about it in history books) I would urge him to inform the hunting association or the authorities as it is totally against the rules of hunting as laid down in a protocol agreed with the Department of Agriculture.

Another tall tale he comes up with is that hunts, by some artificial means, introduce fox cubs into areas. Surely he is aware that the fox population is thriving all over the country having no natural predator and in some regions has reached epidemic proportions. If he doesn't choose to believe statistics ask any hard pressed sheep farmer around lambing time.

He implies that hunting is somehow imposed on farming, ignoring the fact that most people who go hunting are either farmers or their families and that, between mounted and foot packs, in excess of 300,000 people of all ages participate in hunting over the winter months.
DICKIE POWER,
HUNTING ASSOCIATION
OF IRELAND

astraboy

Was my earlier comment RE Neil Prenerville deleted?!

I am a member of the Young Fine Gael party and have several friends involved in canvassing at the moment with candidates in Cork south central. I will ask them to mention this and the licensing issue when they see the candidates next.

Sparks

Was my earlier comment RE Neil Prenerville deleted?!

'Fraid so astra, I couldn't edit it to remove the abuse because there wasn't anything left afterwards.
I mean, if you think he's not good, say why, but personal abuse is against forum rules. Not to mention a bit of a waste of time.

astraboy

Sparks wrote:

'Fraid so astra, I couldn't edit it to remove the abuse because there wasn't anything left afterwards.
I mean, if you think he's not good, say why, but personal abuse is against forum rules. Not to mention a bit of a waste of time.

Sorry man, I just get on a bit of a rant when Neil is bought up. The point I was trying to make was that alot of people in Cork believe he has little knowledge of any of the subjects he covers on his show. He is a sensationalist, people that take what he says seriously rarely question what the media tells them. The majority of people that have like to form informed opinions reckon the same about him, its all about ratings and getting a shock value, maintaining what is generally an older profile of listener. What he says holds little weight with many people in Cork.

BryanL

That fella's pen must be burning but fair dues to him.for too long,3-4 antis(well paid for their efforts) have managed the put a spin on everything to do with hunting shooting and fishing.
they go on about the 12th of august(even though it's really only in the Scottish highlands) in May they bring up rook shooting,August hunting etc. etc.
lets fight amongst ourselves all we want but keep everyone informed of anything going on
Bryan
from Examiner letters

Anti-hunt lobby lose by landslide in the polls

YOUR report on the foxhunting opinion poll (Irish Examiner, April 9) was most interesting.


It reminded me of the Mark Twain adage about ‘lies, damned lies and statistics.’

Since her appointment as Northern Ireland campaign manager for the so-called League against Cruel Sports, Fiona Smith has, in the long tradition of that organisation, bombarded the media with press releases couched in emotive language and soundbites about hunting. Words such as ‘barbaric’, ‘inhumane’ and ‘bloodthirsty’ pepper her press releases and are as misleading as they are almost comically inappropriate.





It is hardly surprising that if someone who knows nothing about hunting and cares less is asked for an opinion, the response is likely to be, “Oh I don’t know much about it, but it doesn’t sound very nice”. The result of the poll taken in the North and commissioned by the League against Cruel Sports almost beggars belief as it is totally at variance with polls held in the South.

Recently 96FM in Cork commissioned a tele poll which showed over 12,000 voters supporting hunting and a derisory 147 votes against. This is very much in line with two other polls commissioned by Sky and TV3. These independent polls showed over 75% of respondents in favour of hunting.

These results would be classed as a landslide in political terms.

In recent years representatives of various hunting bodies rose to the challenge of public debate at our principal universities and decisively won every one of them, despite the animal rights’ lobby fielding such heavy hitters as Trevor Sargent and Dan Boyle. Last February a debate at UCG, in which I took part, was won by a majority of more than 10 to one.

I believe that for the vast majority of the Irish people hunting comes well down their list of concerns, certainly far behind our health service, social welfare system or even global warming. Among the rural community hunting enjoys a great deal of support. Indeed were it not for the generous support of farmers in allowing the hunts to cross their land, it could not continue.

Anyone who has a moral problem with hunting, or is just curious about it, could speak to any one of the 300,000 ordinary Irish people of all ages who regularly hunt and consider their views before accepting Fiona Smith’s propaganda.

Dickie Power
Secretary
Hunting Association of Ireland
Friarstown Lodge
Grange
Kilmallock
Co Limerick

Clare gunner

Go to the ICABS website for an EXACT OPPOSITE spin on this.:D
In their latest news section 86% of people want foxhunting banned.This is going by their lansdowne poll paid for by the Leauge Against Cruel Sports,the UK lot.
Soooo if going by their figs 86% of people are against fieldsports that means we should be outnumberd by somthing like 900,000 people.Yet the antis have only all 60 hard core members that keep cropping up,along with their rent a mob supporters ,when they can cut classes that is.Why then cant ICABS cough up for a poll and need to hire in a foreign body to pay for it????
By Heavens their supporters must be a tightwaddish lot.:D
They are frogs trying to be oxen.

Keelan

BryanL wrote:

just while every one is busy emailing T.D's here's a bit more work for you.
Basically the anti's have set up a page to get Fine Gael,to ban hunting etc.

http://www.banbloodsports.com/ln-0703j.htm
if anything these guys are an example of what a tiny minority can do
might be worth your while to email some support to Enda Kenny and also query the licence increase
oh and use spell check!add your address,if anyone has a similar letter please post it so we can cut and paste,thanks

enda.kenny@finegael.ie

Dear Mr Kenny,
I am writing to thank you for Fine Gael's support of Irish hunting, shooting and fishing. To my mind these activities add greatly to the diversity of this country. I know some would prefer we follow England and ban hunting, but if we could look beyond England we would see hunting and shooting are very popular in all European countries. You may be aware that there is a law in Sweden,Norway and Finland called " everyman's Law" which protects the right of every one to hunt, shoot and fish within reasonable (scientificaly set) limits.
Could i also take this opportunity to query the propossed increase in the gun licene fee? While the administration involed has decreased it seems the cost to keep a gun legal and licenced will increase,any help you could give in the matter would be appreciated.
yours sincerely,

DONE

Keelan.