AFT Needs Your Help!

yman

Our dedicated server which has ran AFT reliably since September is expiring on the 3rd of May which means we need hosting. After long consideration ive decided to go for a dedicated server again. The reason for this is that AFT requires a high trust level, and most shared hosting providers only provides you with a medium trust level.

Currently we are looking at this site: http://www.interhost.co.uk/vps/vps-ala-carte.html

Hosting will cost us £18.99 (27 euros) a month, however if we can pay a year in advance, that drops down to £15.75 a month (23 euros). Obviously id prefer to pay a year in advance so I wont have to worry about donations for another year.

So what do you get out of it?

* The continued reliability and cheap text messages that we have been bringing you since September. The longest AFT has been down ever was for about a day (due to a server crash), but everyone can agree that AFT is up for 99% of the time. Hosting from home or shared hosting probably wont have this reliability.
* People who donate 20 euro or more gets free hosting for the duration of the contract. What I mean by this is if we get enough money for a 12 month contract, then you get free hosting for 12 months, this will include MySQL and ASP.net/PHP. If your the only person donating however, you will get hosting for 1 month, so it can go either way.

If AFT has saved you any money please consider donating. If we don't get enough donations, we will simply be forced to take down AFT, for good

Please click here for information on how to donate.

donutface

thanks to Brian for donating. Ive decided to put 5 euro towards it myself aswell, so currently we are at €10

donutface

Lar Doyle donated €10, thanks a million

colm-ccfc84

I will donate a bit there next week, is 5 or 10 ok?

donutface

I need £47 (ex vat) before May 3rd, any donation will do man

I see its cheaper to go quaterly than it is to go yearly, quaterly its a mere £11.75 a month so I think ill be paying by the quarter.

keithmcgrane

Hi,

I have donated €5.

Keith McGrane

donutface

Thank you very much Keith! The FTP server is down but once its back up ill add you to the honours list

donutface

Thanks a load to S Brady and Brian Buckley who donated €5 each

donutface

Thanks to the following:
Brian Buckley €5
Liam Cunnane: €7.50
Tony O'Halloran: €5
Dallan: €10


Good news aswell, looks like AFT will soon have support for the following countries!
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Ireland
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States

Thanks to the nice people at VoipBuster (Completely free texts provided you top up with 10 euro)

Pansy Potter

yman wrote:

If we don't get enough donations, we will simply be forced to take down AFT, for good

Please click here for information on how to donate.

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Pansy Potter wrote:

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

They could save you over €20 a month if you're on meteor, and even more if you're on O2or Vodafone...

dal

Pansy Potter wrote:

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

Are you out off your ****ing mind??!
Not for one second do I give a s**t about making any money whatsoever from AFT. I created the J2ME client for a laugh, cos I sent loads of international texts and thought that other people could save a bit of money from it. I will give the source code to anyone who wants it, so that they can make their own AFT, they can do whatever they want with it.

Donut (who wrote all the server-side stuff) has been using a friends server for ages now, but now he no longer has the use of it. He asked in another thread if anyone would be prepared to host AFT, but no-one was able to. Neither I, nor donut want anyone to pay for it, because it takes away the beauty of the application in the first place. But the fact is that it has to be hosted.

What is your solution?

Get RICH? what the hell are you on about?

ronbyrne2005

Sent you a tenner there even though im broke! Keep up the good work.

yman

Pansy Potter wrote:

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

Sir, I can ensure you that myself, donut and dal have no such plans to try and extort money. As dal has just mentioned, I'm the person who currently provides the server. The server wasn't purchased for running aft; I bought it in May last year to run the number of websites which I operate. As the server was damn expensive, 1.2k for your information, I can no longer afford to finance the renewel of my contract. Out of my kindness, I gave donut some space to host his website, and subsequently aft which he ran on it. This jesture was benign as myself and donut have developed to be good friends.

So Sir, I am insulted when you try and suggest that we are trying to run a "get rich quick" scheme. Running AFT on a dedicated server is optimum as it allows greater reliability and peformance. This is why we need funds. Yes, we probably could run AFT on a shared box, however the performance and relability would be less than acceptable as the box is shared with x thousand of other customers. Also, services such as the msn bot, aft realtime gateway would have to disappear as one needs direct admin access to a box to run the applications. Also, if we wanted to make loads of money, we would have placed ads on the site or tried to run some type of premimum account service for paying customers. Donut, is currently away so he hasn't had time to update the donation page reflecting the new donations. However, you can clearly see how much money is being donated. This isn't some type of "black box" donation. You can see how much money has been donated and how much is required. Once we get the amout of money required for the annual payment, donut will pull down the donation page.

If you don't want to donate, you don't have to. Other people however recognise how useful AFT is, and are willing to donate a small amount of money to finance the purchasing of a server which will provide the same levels of performance and reliability currently enjoyed by over 900 people.

donutface

yeah your right, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Running AFT does cost money and donations are going straight to the hosting company, not my pocket.

For the majority of the people here however, it will be a free lunch as the whole donation process is completely voluntarily. At the rate that AFT is growing, by next year im expecting atleast triple the usercount, so by next year when i'll need money for renewal, hopefully no one that donated this year will have to donate again or maybe someone else can provide me with a server free of charge.

Sam Vimes

Pansy Potter wrote:

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

feel free not to use it if you think you're being scammed.

i know the guy who wrote multitext (which uses AFT) and wrote part of it myself. i know that these people aren't trying to scam anyone


a dedicated server costs a lot of money to run. do you expect him to pay it out of his own pocket to keep you in free texts?


and how is it a catch exactly? you've been asked to donate. no one's holding a gun to your head

edit: dal put it better than i did:

dal wrote:

Are you out off your ****ing mind??!

Random

Doubt they'll get rich off something like this - people won't donate more than they'll save - that wouldn't make much sense.

All they're asking for is a couple of quid for anyone who has it to spare or would like to help out - in order to keep this service running!

The lads seem decent and are doing a great job at the moment. Try out the system and then come back and let us know what you think.

donutface

Ok lads, ymans dedi is expiring on the 3rd of May, so im buying 3 months on the new dedi on the 28th of April (marked on my calender).

Within that time span ill add UK support and we'll get a few UK people added to the userlist, maybe one of whom can provide a dedicated server free of charge on a reliable line or else something else will come up.

Thanks to all that donated!

flodis79

donutface wrote:

Thanks to the following:
Brian Buckley €5
Liam Cunnane: €7.50
Tony O'Halloran: €5
Dallan: €10


Good news aswell, looks like AFT will soon have support for the following countries!
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Ireland
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States

Thanks to the nice people at VoipBuster (Completely free texts provided you top up with 10 euro)

But they add this nice disclaimer: "This is a special offer for all Voipbuster users with credit. This free text message (SMS) offer is valid only if you're using our service from the same country you want to send the text message (SMS) to."

How is that going to work with AFT? Someone will pay €10 and then we can send unlimited within Ireland? I cannot see a way where we can send to all those countries listed above with the same voipbuster account?

donutface

wow, interesting point flodis

I wasnt interested in it as much for the people in Ireland, but more to bring AFT to people in the UK, it will still work for that

quintron

Pansy Potter wrote:

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

Pansy, dal said he'd give you the source code for the program. I'm sure the lads will give you code to the front end as well.. so ..work away.
I expect your "free lunch" version to be up and running by weekends end. Thanks for stepping in there. (FFS is right).

Random

I'm confused by the whole voipbuster thing- can you elaborate on it's workings?

drdre

Pansy Potter wrote:

I am always suspicious about anything that's for nothing. As they say there's no such thing as a free lunch. I have never used AFT because it was always in the back of my mind that there was going to be a catch somewhere down the line. Now that day has come. People are now being asked to contribute money or they will lose the service they have become accustomed to. The creators of AFT can probably see by take-up that they've saturated the market, and now its pay back time. They have been able to provide the service now out of their own pockets and now all of a sudden they're broke. If they don't have €47 by May its down the drain. FFS

Folks, just lament the passing of this temporary bonus and move on. Don't make these chancers rich. There'll be another free version along.

You dont have a clue what you are talking about.go get a life.

donutface

ciaranfo wrote:

I'm confused by the whole voipbuster thing- can you elaborate on it's workings?

www.voipbuster.com is a site to get free calls over the internet, and a few months back they added text messaging support, but it cost like 5c a text, now the texts are free. Basically, I have to code the VoipBuster bindings to AFT (been busy over the weekend preparing for orals and a geography project but I will soon) and then people can send text messages using VoipBuster instead of o2 or vodafone or whatever.

The only catch is you have to top up with €10 every 6 months or something to get the free texts.

My dad told me more people donated, Ill update the list this afternoon. Thanks to all those who have

MartMax

donutface

just in case. should you guys need a server to crash in for 2-3 months, let me know as for a while i will have some spare resources on my VPS account. good luck.

Marty

donutface

marty can you please add me to msn messenger? address donut at donutsoft dot net


The new plan is to perhaps share the VPS with 4/5 different people, then it becomes much more affordable (instead of £15, it becomes £5). That way we get the high ASP.net trust level we need, can run the services and can have it affordably. yman knows a lot about server 2003 so he can keep things secure too (everything is encrypted anyway). So far we have the possibility of 3 people but im still working out a few kinks.

Finally, thanks to the following people who donated
Cillian Cunane: €5
David Hales: €10
John O'Callaghan: €5

Edit: Martys dedicated server wont work as its unix :S

donutface

Thanks to the following who donated this today:
Gareth Cummings: €15
Huntly Lauder: €10

I just placed an order for the server and ill keep you guys informed

donutface

ok the british people were nowhere to be found so I decided not to paypal them any funds, but I found an american place called vpsland.com which had even more reasonable prices so I ordered 6 months in advance.

Thanks a million for everyones help, finally I would like to thank
David Voakes: €20
Gareth Cummings: €15
Huntly Lauder: €10
Preet's DVDs: €47 (in exchange for a third of the resources)


And here is the email

Hello Paul Murphy,

Thank you for your order! We look forward to serving you as our customer.

Your server will be configured by our Hosting team within the next 24-48 hours. We will send the server details to this email address once setup has been completed.

Welcome to VPSLAND.com!

Here is your order information:

Email: <censored>
Company: donutsoft
Address:
<censored>
Phone: <censored>


Order Summary:
Main Package Value VPS:
6-Months @ $162.00 + Setup: FREE
Existing Domain::
-OR-
Sub-domain of vpsland.com::
aft
(add-on) Additional IPs:
Optional
(add-on) Control Panel:
Optional
Control Panel:
Optional
Additional Remote Desktop (RDP) Licenses:
1 RDP License $24.00
Package(s) Total $186.00
Sub Total $186.00
Total Due $186.00*
* $186.00 will be due on the next renewal date: 10/17/2007
(Domain renewals billed separately.)

Payment Method: PayPal

Further on, I got a friend to pay a third of the running costs in exchange for access to the server (hence the extra remote desktop license), yman might pay the other third so AFT users are only paying a third of the final price ($10 a month, approx 6-7 euros a month) which is much more reasonable than what I first estimated.


The donation button will still be up but from now on theres no need to donate for atleast another 6 months, probably even more

Thanks to everyone, your help is really appreciated. Now to work on getting o2 working!

Edit: Its working now

donutface

somethings up with your phone, dal just tested it and he said it works. Maybe your password has changed? try logging into the o2 site itself

nick23

donutface wrote:

somethings up with your phone, dal just tested it and he said it works. Maybe your password has changed? try logging into the o2 site itself

Was that for me?

Its working now anyway.

Thanks!

ronbyrne2005

Did ya get the 10euro i sent by paypal? I received a confirmation from paypal labelled NOEL.

Cheers.

donutface

Ron, I recieved a payment of 10 euro from Anne Byrne. ill update the donation page soon with the last 2 or 3 payments

mcguyver

I'm going to agree with Pansy potter on this one,

My first question is why couldn't you use say Blacknight.ie 30e for the year, your spending a fortune on a dedicated server and AFT will use how much of this server?
If free web text is scraped what then the people sending you money have got nothing any you guys have a free server for yourselves and im sure you have more uses than just aft for it.
Anyhow I won’t be paying ill use a free alternative each to there own.
I just hope the operators don't decide to scrap the the free text when they see you are charging for the service, and yeah I know its only donations etc. but at the end of the day people are now paying you guys to send there free webtext.

finally just a Quote I found from donutface when reading through some old threads which says it all:

Whoever is dumb enough to actually pay for a service to give you cheaper text messages actually deserves to loose the money

Sam Vimes

mcguyver wrote:

I'm going to agree with Pansy potter on this one,

then you also have no idea what you're talking about

mcguyver wrote:

My first question is why couldn't you use say Blacknight.ie 30e for the year, your spending a fortune on a dedicated server and AFT will use how much of this server?

they're not spending a fortune. it was about ten a month in the end

mcguyver wrote:

Anyhow I won’t be paying ill use a free alternative each to there own.

good, don't. i didn't donate because i can't afford to. i still intend to use it

mcguyver wrote:

I just hope the operators don't decide to scrap the the free text when they see you are charging for the service, and yeah I know its only donations etc. but at the end of the day people are now paying you guys to send there free webtext.

they've asked people to stop donating now that the server is paid for. you people and your cynical attitudes piss me off. this bloke took a lot of time during his leaving cert year to make something that will save you money. he gave the source code out freely to anyone who wanted it.

he decided that he needed a more secure server to protect your privacy which is why it cost a bit more and this 17 year old asked people who've saved hundreds at this stage to drop him a fiver if they could.

email him and ask him for the source code. then go and make your own. see how much you save when you've to run your own server


also:

they're= a contraction of they are

their= belonging to them

there=in that place

its incorrect to say "people are now paying you guys to send there free webtext"

dal

I really shouldn't dignify your post with a response, but the notion that some people (myself included) are making money from this really makes me angry.

mcguyver wrote:

I'm going to agree with Pansy potter on this one,

My first question is why couldn't you use say Blacknight.ie 30e for the year, your spending a fortune on a dedicated server and AFT will use how much of this server?

Have you read ANY of the posts on this? Donut needs an host that supports ASP.NET. He has already explained that he is SHARING the server to reduce costs

mcguyver wrote:

If free web text is scraped what then the people sending you money have got nothing any you guys have a free server for yourselves and im sure you have more uses than just aft for it.

Why on earth would the webtexts be scrapped if we have a server to run it on?

mcguyver wrote:

Anyhow I won’t be paying ill use a free alternative each to there own.

An alternative is not to donate and continue to use AFT, which you are welcome to do.

mcguyver wrote:

I just hope the operators don't decide to scrap the the free text when they see you are charging for the service, and yeah I know its only donations etc. but at the end of the day people are now paying you guys to send there free webtext.

They won't, the number of users of AFT is insignificant when compared to the overall number of users using webtexts

Seriously, how much do you think we would be likely to make from these donations (lets PRETEND for a second that the money is actually going into our pockets)? 30 euro each? 40? 50? I am a 30 year old software engineer.
I AM NOT IN THIS FOR ANY MONEY!

mcguyver

Well when I read a quote like this I have to be suspicious after all he is one of the people getting the money.

donutface wrote:

Quote:
Whoever is dumb enough to actually pay for a service to give you cheaper text messages actually deserves to loose the money

dal wrote:

The alternative is not to donate and continue to use AFT, which you are welcome to do.
!

There are others out there that do the same thing maybe even better for free.

I'm not wasting my time saying any more on it I said my bit these boards are about free speech are they not, that is just my opinion on it so get over it.

also:

they're= a contraction of they are

their= belonging to them

there=in that place

its incorrect to say "people are now paying you guys to send there free webtext"

Do you have to get so childish big fookin deal a spelling mistake.....

Sam Vimes

mcguyver wrote:

Well when I read a quote like this I have to be suspicious after all he is one of the people getting the money.

no you don't. in fact you're completely wrong to be suspicious. he needed a few euro to set up a server. now that he has enough he's asked people to stop donating. there is nothing to be usupicious about.

mcguyver wrote:

There are others out there that do the same thing maybe even better for free.

well go and use them then

mcguyver wrote:

I'm not wasting my time saying any more on it I said my bit these boards are about free speech are they not, that is just my opinion on it so get over it.

taken from the after hours charter:

The Golden Rule:
There is no free speech!
-This is a privately owned website. You do not have the right to say whatever you want on here. You are expected to obey the rules just like anyone else. Not following the rules will get you banned. It is very simple.

mcguyver wrote:

Do you have to get so childish big fookin deal a spelling mistake.....

only to people who annoy me


also, the correct grammar in that sentence would have been:

Do you have to get so childish? Big fookin deal. A spelling mistake.....

mcguyver

Commander Vimes wrote:

Do you have to get so childish? Big fookin deal. A spelling mistake.....

Whatever!!

donutface

why do I get the feeling mcguyver is that other guy who wanted to sell his text messaging J2ME program here?

I still fully stand by that statement that I made a few months back. People never paid for AFT, people paid for the hosting of AFT. Every cent I recieved from you guys went to the hosting company, and the money thats left over will be used to pay for it in 6 months time

dubbug1971

Hi,

Havent used AFT yet, is on phone but have a bucket of free texts to use per month at mo - once they're out will definitely use AFT and esp[ecially when I gove overseas !

Hope this small contribuition helps.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers

andy0

donutface wrote:

www.voipbuster.com is a site to get free calls over the internet, and a few months back they added text messaging support, but it cost like 5c a text, now the texts are free. Basically, I have to code the VoipBuster bindings to AFT (been busy over the weekend preparing for orals and a geography project but I will soon) and then people can send text messages using VoipBuster instead of o2 or vodafone or whatever.

I see from previous posts that's it's been spotted that this is only within one's own country

Also, and unstated, there is a fair use policy of 250 a month.

Voipbuster itself has a mobile Java client, which can be used for sms or to set up callback, so perhaps your efforts would be a bit redundant ........ unless there is a way around their statement about only free from one's own country, or will this be ok anyway from a phone?

I've used it for callback abroad so far, but haven't yet had a chance to test whether sms sent home (UK) from abroad are free or charged. As it should be on an Orange or O2 UK IP address (??), I'm assuming or hoping it will be counted as sent from UK.

https://www.voipbuster.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7269

(you need a VB account to log in to the forum)

...

- you need GPRS / UMTS (to let the application initiate the call via internet)
- you need JAVA (CLDC 1.1 / MIDP 2.0) most newer phones support this

1. on your MOBILE phone go to http://gsm.voipbuster.com (on some mobiles you need to choose 'download application' on some phones you can just go to the webpage)

2. ...

Pythia

mcguyver wrote:

I'm not wasting my time saying any more on it I said my bit these boards are about free speech are they not, that is just my opinion on it so get over it.

Nope, there's no free speech here. If you want free speech, you can set up your own website and talk all you want there.

Personally, I think that asking for donations for the server is perfectly acceptable and there is nothing dodgy going on.
They have been extremely open about how AFT is run so I can't see what's not to trust.

dal

andy0 wrote:

Voipbuster itself has a mobile Java client, which can be used for sms or to set up callback, so perhaps your efforts would be a bit redundant ........ unless there is a way around their statement about only free from one's own country, or will this be ok anyway from a phone?

I've used it for callback abroad so far, but haven't yet had a chance to test whether sms sent home (UK) from abroad are free or charged. As it should be on an Orange or O2 UK IP address (??), I'm assuming or hoping it will be counted as sent from UK.

I'm definitely keen on checkin out voipbuster, sounds really good. I checked out the j2me client, but its quite basic for sending texts (maybe they will work on this area in the future). The callback thing sounds brilliant tho.

Also, is it not the country that you calling or texting TO that is significant (and not which one you are in)?

ronbyrne2005

donutface wrote:

Ron, I recieved a payment of 10 euro from Anne Byrne. ill update the donation page soon with the last 2 or 3 payments

Yeah thats the one, just making sure ya got it as the donation was'nt referred to in last donations list.

andy0

dal wrote:

Also, is it not the country that you calling or texting TO that is significant (and not which one you are in)?

Well, it's a point of potential semantic argument, and I remember a lot when SkypePro was launched and used the same choice of words. I think it's likely when they say within, they intend to mean both from and to, or that is the way it's been interpreted in their forum in the light of some people's experience.

But as I say, I haven't been abroad since they launched this free offer, so I'm really only guessing so far that if they do test where it comes from, it might use an IP of the network of the SIM

Like your reply to me earlier about AFT, the VB client will work using any SIM in the phone. The username and password are set in the software, and by default this will be used as the sender ID for sms. Or a (choice of) mobile caller ID can be registered to the account (by receiving an sms).

For callback, they said last year that similar mobile clients might be launched for the other Betamax clones. It hasn't happened yet though, which is a pity as many of the others have lower tariffs for mobiles, but there are other possibilities (at which point I'm too far off-topic).

Machiavellian

donutface wrote:

At the rate that AFT is growing, by next year im expecting atleast triple the usercount, so by next year when i'll need money for renewal, hopefully no one that donated this year will have to donate again or maybe someone else can provide me with a server free of charge.

I agree with Pansy Potter, although, not about the whole 'get-rich-quick' scheme, as I reckon that is just a bit too ambitious. Having tried out your application today, have to say, I find it to be amateur to say the least, but good luck with it all the same. Certainly would not merit donating a cent to keep it going.

People, do your research, there are a few other (and better!) applications much like this one out there, that are not begging for donations to be hosted.... And it's not like this is even a one-off cost, as this cost will be incurred ANNUALLY if I read your thread right there Donutface. Did you do anything about the about the value chain yet in your Business Studies class?

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If you can't afford to or don't want to donate to AFT then don't. Simple as. You're still welcome to use it and the lads will still support you if you have issues.

Donations are to cover the costs of running the server - not the man hours they put into it.

This is how I see it.

Sam Vimes

Machiavellian wrote:

I agDree with Pansy Potter, although, not about the whole 'get-rich-quick' scheme, as I reckon that is just a bit too ambitious. Having tried out your application today, have to say, I find it to be amateur to say the least, but good luck with it all the same. Certainly would not merit donating a cent to keep it going.

People, do your research, there are a few other (and better!) applications much like this one out there, that are not begging for donations to be hosted.... And it's not like this is even a one-off cost, as this cost will be incurred ANNUALLY if I read your thread right there Donutface. id you do anything about the about the value chain yet in your Business Studies class?

hmm a person with 1 post who agrees with two people who don't know what they're talking about. the guys 17 or 18. he's not a professional programmer and he made it in his spare time.

maybe it looks "amateur" because, wait for this, he is an amateur programmer......no?

his application sends texts for a fraction of a cent and the only time it stops working is when the networks sites go down. how are these other ones better? do they write the text for you or something?

and for the third time, he's given the source code away for free so instead of bitching about this great service he's offering you, go and make your own

quintron

Machiavellian wrote:

I agree with Pansy Potter, although, not about the whole 'get-rich-quick' scheme, as I reckon that is just a bit too ambitious. Having tried out your application today, have to say, I find it to be amateur to say the least, but good luck with it all the same. Certainly would not merit donating a cent to keep it going.

People, do your research, there are a few other (and better!) applications much like this one out there, that are not begging for donations to be hosted.... And it's not like this is even a one-off cost, as this cost will be incurred ANNUALLY if I read your thread right there Donutface. Did you do anything about the about the value chain yet in your Business Studies class?

how very.. er.. machiavellian.

Machiavellian

Commander Vimes wrote:

hmm a person with 1 post who agrees with two people who don't know what they're talking about. the guys 17 or 18. he's not a professional programmer and he made it in his spare time.

Hmmm, the pit-bull replies to every message on this board??

maybe it looks "amateur" because, wait for this, he is an amateur programmer......no?

Abundantly clear... Just stating a fact.

his application sends texts for a fraction of a cent and the only time it stops working is when the networks sites go down. how are these other ones better? do they write the text for you or something?

and for the third time, he's given the source code away for free so instead of bitching about this great service he's offering you, go and make your own

And as for the last, have found a better one... Just offering my feed-back on the service. Surely you (or however it is you are associated with the project apart from "smart' replies...) or the rest of them appreciate what the public really think of the service

donutface

could you please point us to the better one, we'd really like to check it out and if theres any improvements that can be made we'd be more than happy to work on it.

As far as the donations go, im hoping to set up a basic hosting service for £1 or whatever, and get enough people interested to keep the server running so that this donation thing wont have to happen again.

Obviously the hosting wouldnt be a priority, and just be used as a tool to keep AFT running.


In other news, the dedicated server came through today, and I will be moving everything over within the next day or so. People who donated (anyone) can send me a private message or an email donut at donutsoft dot net if you want some free hosting with ASP.net/MySQL. Please just no high bandwidth stuff