Why am I still banned

keynesian

So, yea, like, why am I still banned from from the "Lesbain & Gay & Bisexual" forum?

In fact why was I banned in the first place, is it caz I'm Gay?

aidan_walsh

Have you PM'd swiss, ixoy or Stark to find out?

keynesian

oh, yea, thats a good Idea.

But why should I have to, I shouldn't have been banned, it's totally unfair.

I feel wronged, marginalized, and ostracisted.

BuffyBot

Somehow, I doubt it was without reason...

keynesian

Just because you have a reason don't mean your justified or right.

_blank_

So, when you were banned did the mod who banned give you a reason, or did you just discover, out of the blue one day, that you were banned?

What did you do?

Or did you do anything, that you can possiby think of, that might have maybe warranted a ban?

Boston

I think you where given a temp ban for some minor reason and then a perm ban for posting under your other user name (TrawlingTroll). Thats how I remember it, but I'm not 100% sure.

keynesian

Yes but that's not a reason and that's not what I was told.

Is there a rule againts having two user names? where is it?

LuckyLloyd

keynesian wrote:

Yes but that's not a reason and that's not what I was told.

Is there a rule againts having two user names? where is it?

You are 'cruising for a bruising' methinks.

aidan_walsh

keynesian wrote:

Yes but that's not a reason and that's not what I was told.

I thought you didn't know why you were banned. What were you told?

keynesian wrote:

Is there a rule agents having two user names?

There is if the second user name is used to circumvent a ban, or for general "anon" muppetry. Its a common sense rule that really shouldn't need to be written down anywhere.

Karl Hungus

keynesian wrote:

Is there a rule againts having two user names? where is it?

Yes, and generally both usernames are site-banned. It's a total and complete no-no.

keynesian

Plus you could have just said, like.

found the reason

Quote:
Originally Posted by ixoy
Temporary ban for crappy post!


That's personal, not objective.

Boston

General boards rule that you're no allow to use a new account to get around a ban. Normally results in a siteban. It's a perfectly good reason to ban someone permanently from a forum. Also I didn't think you where told anything? I'm not saying it is the reason, just that when you where perm banned I took that as being one of the main reasons, no one told me.

Edit: As I said, some minor offence initially. Also the mods don't have to be objective.

keynesian

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

You are 'cruising for a bruising' methinks.

Is that caz your words are so sharp?????

_blank_

Well show us said 'crappy post' then.

keynesian

seansouth wrote:

Well show us said 'crappy post' then.

That's illogical, if I'm banned from the forum, how can I find it; Or even know what it was, "crappy post" is subjective.

Hagar

keynesian wrote:

I feel wronged, marginalized, and ostracisted.

I demand to know, who ostracisted this man? Unfeeling baxtards....

_blank_

You can still read the forum if you log out.

So, it could be any one of your hundred and sixty-odd posts that you were banned for.

Do you not reckon it would be one of the ones from around the same timeframe as you got your ban?

Your PM that you got will be dated, look for some posts you made on the LGBT forum around then.

It's bound to be one of them.

aidan_walsh

That's illogical, if I'm banned from the forum, how can I find it

Magic!

http://magicaltrevor.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=255 for all your banned viewings.

keynesian

Boston wrote:

the mods don't have to be objective.

Sure that should be a general rule. Why aren't they objective.

Sorry if I believe in free speech, and the ability to speck my mind without censorship or reprisal.

Boston

keynesian wrote:

Sure that should be a general rule. Why aren't they objective.

Sorry if I believe in free speech, and the ability to speck my mind without censorship or reprisal.

You don't have free speech here, or in Ireland for that matter. Moderators usually are objective, they just don't have to be. Somewhere along the line someone concluded you needed a break from the forum, most likely for the gems in this thread. After that you used a new account to get around the ban, and the ban was never lifted. I don't know if your new account is also banned.

trawingtroll

aidan_walsh wrote:

There is if the second user name is used to circumvent a ban, or for general "anon" muppetry. Its a common sense rule that really shouldn't need to be written down anywhere.

So is this general "anon" muppetry, you fag?

LuckyLloyd

keynesian wrote:

Is that caz your words are so sharp?????

No. It is because holding two accounts - particularly if you activated the second one to get around complications experienced on your intitial account related to bans or other such punishments - is the Board's equivalent of breaking the first commandment. It will probably have consequences.

The concept of "free speech" does not exist on this site. Boards is not a democracy.

_blank_

Jesus Christ.

Are you serious in doing that?

You must want a permaban.

copacetic

Karl Hungus wrote:

Yes, and generally both usernames are site-banned. It's a total and complete no-no.

I had this conversation before, it seems that mods know it is a complete and utter no-no, but that the rule isn't actually anywhere to be found..

Terry

trawingtroll wrote:

So is this general "anon" muppetry, you fag?

So, when both your current accounts are banned, will you be opening a third?

aidan_walsh

trawingtroll wrote:

So is this general "anon" muppetry, you fag?

Quite like that, yes.

Don't smoke, but thats for offering.

Boston

Jesus this thread is going down hill fast

Anyway copacetic there is a common sense rule in force. It doesn't take much cop on to know you shouldn't use a new account to get around a ban, otherwise what point did the ban serve?

copacetic

Boston wrote:

Jesus this thread is going down hill fast

Anyway copacetic there is a common sense rule in force. It doesn't take much cop on to know you shouldn't use a new account to get around a ban, otherwise what point did the ban serve?

Well I agree, but if it is the 'first commandment' of boards then we should probably have it written down?

Karl Hungus

copacetic wrote:

Well I agree, but if it is the 'first commandment' of boards then we should probably have it written down?

I do agree with this, and it should be made clear as possible.

copacetic

copacetic wrote:

Well I agree, but if it is the 'first commandment' of boards then we should probably have it written down?

Isn't using common sense common sense?

Boston

copacetic wrote:

Well I agree, but if it is the 'first commandment' of boards then we should probably have it written down?

Yea but there's a general philosophy to never write down anything which can be thrown back in the admins face. Some situation may be best handled without site bans. This isn't one though...

copacetic

Myth wrote:

Isn't using common sense common sense?

not on boards!

keynesian

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

The concept of "free speech" does not exist on this site. Boards is not a democracy.

You don't need democracy to have free speech. Isn't the idea of broads, the ultimate conception of "free speech"; and the sociological experiment to show how people will curtail it.

Boston

keynesian wrote:

Isn't the idea of broads, the ultimate conception of "free speech"; and the sociological experiment to show how people will curtail it.

No.

Dragan

keynesian wrote:

You don't need democracy to have free speech. Isn't the idea of broads, the ultimate conception of "free speech"; and the sociological experiment to show how people will curtail it.

Not really. It's a place where posters post, mods moderate and the Admins sit around and drink cocktails all day wearing high priced suits ( such is my believe, i shall not be swayed from it. )

Now then, your being a plank, in my honest opinion. I have spent a few minutes reading back over a few of your posts and from what i can see that is about the only consistent element in your posting.

Also, posting within your own thread with your second account if just sad, and this is not the first time you have done it. Trolling PI is especially sad might i add.

delly

My eyes, my friggin eyes. Seriously, just stop. Pull your network or phone cable out, then place your computer into a sink and fill with water. My brain is bleeding from just being near your username(s).

keynesian

Ok, Ok, I'll stop procrastinating and get back to work.

But have we really learned any thing today....


Have you grown, even just a little.....


Surely there most be a better way of education?

Dragan

You don't happen to know Jocksy by any chance.

Highly similar posting style, except for the dyslexia.

Boston

delly wrote:

My eyes, my friggin eyes. Seriously, just stop. Pull your network or phone cable out, then place your computer into a sink and fill with water. My brain is bleeding from just being near your username(s).

Oh god, I'm ****ing breaking my heart laughing.

LuckyLloyd

keynesian wrote:

You don't need democracy to have free speech. Isn't the idea of broads, the ultimate conception of "free speech"; and the sociological experiment to show how people will curtail it.

No. You will see that each individual forum have specific charters and rules for what items you can and cannot discuss, and how you are allowed to express your opinions on the same. Furthermore, Boards is rigurously sub divided into individual sections which serves to limit the existence of random and freewheelin conversation.

In short, if you p!ss off the powers that be they will eliminate your presence on these forums. And the powers that be don't change, and aren't elected. From my limited experience, the vast majority understand this and are happy with it - content to blabber on about the things that they are interested in as per the relevant forum charter without going out of their way to irritate or offend others.

And then there is the minority that like arguing on the interweb, and like riling other people up the wrong way. From your posts in this thread, and the links to other stuff included here - you probably inhabit that minority.

FIGHT DA POWAH!!

ixoy

*Sigh* You started a pointless thread when drunk one evening and received a temp. ban. This was after what I felt was often borderline behaviour at other times anyway.

Now that temp. ban wasn't lifted as, shockingly, it didn't preoccupy my mind. A simple message in my direction could have prompted that. But no, instead you start a thread here and expose the fact that you've been posting on the forum anyway under a different a/c. Is all this really meant to push us to welcome you back with open arms and a warm smile? Are we really missing out without you?
I'm tempted now to replace "temp" with "permanent" really in light of the dual a/cs. Democratize that

tallaght01

ixoy wrote:

*Sigh*


Democratize that

Ahhh, the return of comic book guy phrases AND hard man chat in the same post. God, I've missed the comedy value. Thank you ixoy.

Giblet

Yeah, we can't have these "hard men" running around.

Sarky

Does being ostracised involve large flightless birds?

I certainly hope so.

Dragan

Sarky wrote:

Does being ostracised involve large flightless birds?

I certainly hope so.

I laughed out loud. Honest to god, in the middle of the office.

keynesian

ixoy wrote:

I'm tempted now to replace "temp" with "permanent" really in light of the dual a/cs. Democratize that

Democratise, what, I didn't ask for that, why would I want that, the way this thread has gone I'd lose, not because of what I did was wrong or against the rule. As stated Jule account is not explisitly against the rules.

Did I say some thing that was offensive to the LGBTQ... Community or have I ever. I'm mostly (if always) on topic, which is more then I can say for some mods.

I don't want your open arms, I want your open forum.

Temp, if it was a temp then why didn't you set the time like a day?

EDIT:
I conceed, you were looking for a reason to ban me a I gave you one(can't really remember what it was, I'm sure it was flambounate), I should bow to the powers of the MOD as GODS, after all I am new to forums. I still don't 100% with your reasons but I now expect your power and you should use that power as you wish.

END THIS THREAD
As I feel there is no point in continuing to thread with no chance of reprieve. I should have know better forgive my inosince.

copacetic

copacetic wrote:

I had this conversation before, it seems that mods know it is a complete and utter no-no, but that the rule isn't actually anywhere to be found..

I actually found this on AH just now when trying to see a reason why an ebay thread was locked.

nesf wrote:

Registering a New Account to Circumvent a Ban
- This will get all accounts site-banned.

In my defense, a lot of mods didn't know it was there and it isn't in the charters of the forums I had debated such bans in before but good to see it in AH loud and clear. As to why keynesian isn't sitebanned for it, I dunno.

John

keynesian wrote:

Did I say some thing that was offensive to the LGBTQ... Community or have I ever. I'm mostly (if always) on topic, which is more then I can say for some mods.

Your comments were pretty offensive on that thread that Boston linked to. I would have permanently banned you for them, the LGB mods were very lenient in my opinion.

Stark

I think this thread and the other Feedback thread posted by him both answer keynesian's original question.