Those gypsies

majiktripp

Im expecting a bit of a lash back from this posting but I need to post it anyway just to release so of the frustration!
Has anyone noticed the overwhelming influx of Romanian scumbags into Galway city?! And before the racist card is whipped out and waved in my face by people, I'm talking bout the real gypsy scum now,not the hard working genuine Romanians that are out there.
There are several related families who live in close proximatey to my own house and they cause nothing but hassle for my parents,there own neighbours and the rest of the community in the neighbourhood.They just treat this country like an open buffet,taking all they can,scamming us and then complaining if we try to stand up to them.
Now amongst the bad there is the good,my direct neighbour and his family are also Romanian but he works hard,offers us a lift to town whenever he's heading in etc and we never have any trouble with them at all,bottle of wine at christmas from his family even!.
The main trouble I find is with the Gypsies which the crowd near my house most definately are,they dont work at all,make little effort to integrate better into the neghbourhood by showing a bit of respect or courtasy and are nothing but loud and vulgar towards there neighbours.
For christ sake I saw one intown only today begging because he had one arm....but he could afford Nike Air trainers and Armani jeans...and when no-one was paying attention he upped and headed to the bookies!
I even read on a forum posting on Politics.ie that a female Garda officer was squirted in the Face with breast milk by one of the gypsies..
Bascially after my rant I would like some opinions if anyone has any on what to do if they cause hassle for my family again (and I dont mean walking over and threatening them as they are probably 60+ strong between the 4 families combined) I mean on a legal standing.
Also I would be interested in any other Galwegians experiences...(good or bad to be fair) with the Romanians who have come to our Town.

majiktripp

Sorry, Double posted,if mods could delete one...

I hate those ones that beg. Most of the time they're wearing really expensive clothes. There was actually one family that had been arrested for begging at a certain area, even though they were relatively well off.

There's one lad in Eyre Square. He goes around handing out these leaflets, with some sob story about leukemia and some brother, then asks for them back. Has anybody encountered him?

King.Penguin

You can delete your own posts.

What exactly is the problem? What kind of harassment is it?

I think it's important for you to distinguish between Romanians and Roma gypsies . If you're going to be terribly rascist please try and be a bit more specific.

What I want to know is, who would win in a fight? A caravan load of Romas or a caravan load of irish travellers?

majiktripp

There definately Roma Gypsies the bad crowd,the decent neighbour beside me and his family are ordinary Romanians who treat us very well and as equals, ie.they bring our bins to our gates just to be neighbourly,a lift to town if its wet etc, the little things that make the difference.

King.Penguin

King.Penguin wrote:

You can delete your own posts.

What exactly is the problem? What kind of harassment is it?

I think it's important for you to distinguish between Romanians and Roma gypsies . If you're going to be terribly rascist please try and be a bit more specific.

What I want to know is, who would win in a fight? A caravan load of Romas or a caravan load of irish travellers?

I don't see how he's being racist as such. That claim is made all too often nowadays. If you re-read his post, you can see he distinguishes between the pair.

hairyfairy00

I'm sure you're on about the same Roma Gypsies that kept shoving a copy of The Big Issue under my nostrils as i walked down shop street today, they can be more anoying than the chuggers, well on second thoughts i hate chuggers more!

Duras

Those Romanians that you are talking about are not actually Romanians... As you say they are gypsies borned - maybe - in Romania. Gypsies are all over Eastern Europe, not only in Romania, so what makes you thing that they are actually Romanians?

Oh, and whatever their nationality is... I hate them... and I also hate that IDIOT that gave this people refugee status... I can imagine their chat:
Gypsy Horde: "Help us Irish Governemt, our tricks don't work any more in Romania, people are poor there, there is nothing to steal from them!"
Irish Gov: "Oh, that's just terrible, those Romanians are so evil... Walking around with empty pockets so you poor creatures have nothing to rob... Come to Ireland, we will offer you what you need".

majiktripp

There definately Romanians alright,we have Polish and Lithuanians in our area too ,none as bad as this crowd and they don't associate with them either,as long as emigrants work or make an attempt to work and try to make something of the opportunity the Irish government gave them I dont mind !

spurious

As with any group, there are Roma and there are Roma. I teach many children from the Roma community and those from families who have a history of working do not want to be seen as having anything to do with the begging fraternity.

Not all Roma gypsies are beggars. Not all Romanians are Roma gypsies.

Not all Irish are terrorists, not all Irish are drunks.

lisnageragh

The joys of our open door immigration policy.

Anyone see the news today about TB increasing because of immigrants!

Its time we shut the door and started restricting who we let into Ireland!

I agree. It's becoming a joke. Maybe not for the whole country, but definately restrict immigration into galway

Fracture

I hope ya all dont think im bein a bit too drastic by saying this but i would love to get them all shot, they are nothing but pure scum bags. I work in a bar in town and they beg every night outside it. They are like bloody hyenas praying on the weak people in the crowd.
I seen them trying to mug a guy one night, he was a bit on the drunk side and was leaning up aginst the wall, they sorrounded him and two of the were routing through his back pockets while 2 others talked to him, so i started to shout at them and told them if they didnt p**s off i was going to phone the guards. The young one (i think she is about 14) blocked me off from getting they guy out of there and started to mock me. So...i pushed her out of the way and pushed the other one's and told the guy to go home, and he did.
The thought of them makes my blood boil.
Btw im not racist but these particular one's need to be kicked out of the country and put back to whatever run down halting site they came from.

Redhairedguy

Had one try to hop the counter in work today when my co-worker was in the back. They didn't see me, so when I walked in behind the counter again, instead of being shocked they started laughing and winking at the me.

The bastards were taunting me... I was fúckin livid!

Sponge Bob

Our lazy Galway guards will do nothing . They are all doing traffic nowadays .

The only way to get the guards to reprioritise their arses is if you report every single antisocial/illegal activity , formally, down the station.

Then it is official and then they have to do something. Dont matter where the scumbags come from, scumbags are scumbags and our home grown variety is the same .

Notorious BIG

One of the women who sells the big issue has gold teeth, she cant be that poor

Karl Hungus

Hmm, this post has been reported, but I feel like it's an important issue in reguards to Galway. There certainly a danger of criminality from the gypsies, and we certainly cannot gloss over the issue, delete it, or pretend the problem doesn't exist.

I know it's been said a few times already, but it's also important to note that Romanian does not equal Gypsy. Having been to Romania myself, and having some friends here in Ireland who are Romanian, they're fine people.

Duras

About restricting access to the wrong people... this policy sort of existed and is nothing but trouble... I can tell you from my own experience... I'm a Romanian IT professional, I received a job offer in Galway in December 2003. It took 6 months for the paper work to be "processed". I had been in Ireland previously with student or business visas, so one can presume that the Irish officials already "checked my background". It took 6 more months to bring my wife with me in Ireland.

Why telling you this story? Just want to point out that for a regular, lawful Romanian coming to Ireland, either for a job or for entertainment, used to be overkill.

On the contrary, for others, coming to Ireland was pretty easy: they claimed they have been ostracized in Romania, they got asylum status and then they brought over their relatives.

This is maybe the explanation of the unrealistic proportion: Gypsy-Romanian scumbags vs "regular Romanians". Hopefully, now that we also joined the Union, the proportion will be more realistic, and the "regular Romanians" will come to visit. This way you will understand that Romanians and "Roma" Gypsies are anything but alike.

From all people, me and the other Romanians from Galway hate this people the most as they ruin our image. Not once happened to me or my wife to get funny looks when we said where we are from. And this - I tell you - hurts.

Sponge Bob

Quite a lot of Roma from Romania came in to Ireland in 2000-2003 and claimed that they were persecuted in Romania to get asylum. Most Irish peoples experience of Romanians has been with this asylum seeking cohort . Its the same in many western european countries .

I know one Romanian who claims to be Moldovan to avoid 'problems' he feels he may encounter (much of Moldova was part of Romania pre WW2 an dis ethnically Romanian)

Jamey

The woman who kneels down with some sign in her hand on the road into NUIG every morning is the one who makes my blood boil. Most of us are poor students, we're not going to give you anything like!!

And it must be against the law of the college for her to be there? Where's the security when shes there begging to all the students walking past...

Mike...

King.Penguin wrote:

What I want to know is, who would win in a fight? A caravan load of Romas or a caravan load of irish travellers?

We could arrange that fight to happen over 2 legs on the new eyre square as a home venue for the Roma's and the 2nd leg out at the halting site on the Headford road....Shall we start the bidding fot the CCTV footage at €500k?

JohnCleary

Jamey wrote:

The woman who kneels down with some sign in her hand on the road into NUIG every morning is the one who makes my blood boil. Most of us are poor students, we're not going to give you anything like!!

And it must be against the law of the college for her to be there? Where's the security when shes there begging to all the students walking past...

Heh, next time just say 'Sucky Sucky' and see what she says.

Fcuking gyppo's throw the lot of them in the Corrib TBH, they'll be good food for the salmon!

tbh

I hate the lazy racism, or more accurately xenophobia, that I see in Irish society these days. It makes me really angry when I hear people talking about the bloody nigerians or the poles or whatever, it makes me feel like we are refusing to stand our round, if you know what I mean.

BUT

I don't think the op's post is a demonstration of that. I have a big problem with the roma population over here. I don't see them as a nationality - I see them as a gang. I know a lot of the so-called "New Irish", and what strikes me is how much they love this country, how they respect it, and how proud they are to be identified as Irish. I don't believe that the Roma community have any intention of contributing to society - the ones that I have encountered only want to take from it. People I know who work in social services have told me that there are numerous cases of children being sedated while their parents beg with them, and ever since then, you can't help but notice that they seem to have VERY quiet four/five/six year olds. It's not fair on these kids, and if the government are serious about letting them stay, they have a duty to come down hard on them, and stamp out their apparent culture of being career beggars. Honestly, in the long run, i believe thats the best solution for everyone.

chris_oc

not racist but theres one group of foreignors who REALLY REALLY GRIND MY GEARS and they're the ones who sell the roses outside clubs or around supermacs after a nite out!oh my god,theyre the most irratating people alive,first of they annoy you by continuosly asking you again and again if you want to buy a rose and secondly!..it makes you look seriously bad if you pull a girl and you refuse to buy a rose for her!!!!:p

anyone with me on this,im sure most of yee have seen them?!!

el Bastardo

Those feckers selling roses have been in Germany for far longer than they have here (the trick is to take the rose and thank them profusely, without paying them for it).

Romas are hated all over Europe. I've heard stories from Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Germans etc of the various scams they got up to during communist times. Suffice to say, they were and still are hated and are maltreated with good reason. Of course, the result of this is that they can then claim asylum elsewhere... and do the same thing all over again! I think that people are too nice to them here (ever seen people giving the roma lady-beggars their spare change - I have!).

chris_oc wrote:

not racist but theres one group of foreignors who REALLY REALLY GRIND MY GEARS and they're the ones who sell the roses outside clubs or around supermacs after a nite out!oh my god,theyre the most irratating people alive,first of they annoy you by continuosly asking you again and again if you want to buy a rose and secondly!..it makes you look seriously bad if you pull a girl and you refuse to buy a rose for her!!!!:p

anyone with me on this,im sure most of yee have seen them?!!

Tar.Aldarion

We talked to a beggar the other day, questioning about why he wanted the money. Kept questioning until the story ended up that his brother was in hospital in Romania and he wanted to break him out. When we asked him why he wanted him out of a good place like a hospital, he asked us to buy 9 roses. He wasn't even selling roses.

tbh

all those posting about shooting/drowning : cop yerselves on. Thats the reason why we can't have a debate about this on boards - ye take one extreme, and other posters (occasionally me) feel they have to take the other extreme. The romas do what they do because that's how they were brought up. If any of us were brought up the same way, we'd be the same, don't kid yerselves. The cycle has to be broken tho.

JohnCleary

tbh wrote:

all those posting about shooting/drowning : cop yerselves on. Thats the reason why we can't have a debate about this on boards - ye take one extreme, and other posters (occasionally me) feel they have to take the other extreme. The romas do what they do because that's how they were brought up. If any of us were brought up the same way, we'd be the same, don't kid yerselves. The cycle has to be broken tho.

That's moving, really.

Now drown the fcukers

SimpleSam06

tbh wrote:

it makes me feel like we are refusing to stand our round, if you know what I mean.

We owe exactly fack all to anyone, as a nation. The only body to which we might conceivably be indebted would be the European Union (see all those blue signs with a ring of gold stars on all the public works?), and even they are basically using us as a poster child to bring the rest of Europe together, so we don't owe them a lot either.

tbh wrote:

...the so-called "New Irish"

And there is a significant difference between migrant and immigrant workers, which will become exceedingly clear should the country ever return to economically hard times.

To keep it more or less on-topic, to be honest the Roma gypsies are more of a nuisance than any serious threat to anyone's security. Thats why they have survived this long. I'd be far more concerned about certain elements of the Russian community here in Galway.

Fracture

I cant imagine this thread staying open for very long, i'll give it another few days

soundbyte

SimpleSam06 wrote:

I'd be far more concerned about certain elements of the Russian community here in Galway.

Do you mean Russian or former Eastern Bloc in general? If it's the latter, I know what you mean. Unfortunately, not all of them are here to work hard.

tbh

SimpleSam06 wrote:

We owe exactly fack all to anyone, as a nation.

eaten bread is soon forgotten. What annoys me about the Irish attitude is that we want to be seen as a modern nation, able to take our place on the world stage, as good as any other country - as long as it doesn't cost us one red cent. Ye might as well forget that attitude lads, These people are here to stay, whether you like it or not. We owe it to them - AND US - to make the system fair for everybody. I suppose what I'm saying is, Don't hate the player, hate the game.

SimpleSam06

tbh wrote:

eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Can you let me know who, besides the EU and maybe the US, has given the nation of Ireland any bread to eat and be forgotten? I mean lets get into specifics here.

I'll tell you one thing, there are a few other countries have given Ireland a meal or two that its to our tremendous credit that we have forgiven, if not forgotten. I mean the population still hasn't recovered to its mid 19th century levels, for christs sake.

tbh wrote:

What annoys me about the Irish attitude is that we want to be seen as a modern nation, able to take our place on the world stage, as good as any other country - as long as it doesn't cost us one red cent.

What modern nation would that be, the ones going around bombing the crap out of the other modern nations, or the other ones enslaving their populations to be able to produce trade goods at knock down prices, or the ones whipping up their people into a religious fervour in order to survive being bombed back to the stone age? You might want to take a good, long, hard look at your role models there.

Lets run through even enlightened Europe here, the guiding light of the modern world; Germany, racial discrimination, riiight... France, speak French or die, okay, good... Holland, one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world, and still the screws tighten... Sweden, had nothing less than a forced eugenics program to ensure racial purity not forty years ago, splendid, the UK, ghetto-ised cities and institutionalised discrimination, their own minorities blowing up their train stations, well done there lads. I could go on and on and on.

What you really mean is we should be more like star trek.

The most remarkable thing for me, as an observer, is the absoloutely incredible amount of restraint and courtesy the native Irish have shown with regards to their guests, compared to other countries. If we do manage to pull off a reasonably integrated society, we'll be the first.

tbh wrote:

Ye might as well forget that attitude lads, These people are here to stay, whether you like it or not.

Of course, thats why the oul' western union has never been busier. :rolleyes:

tbh wrote:

We owe it to them - AND US - to make the system fair for everybody. I suppose what I'm saying is, Don't hate the player, hate the game.

... and piously mouthing pc platitudes with no real meaning outside of the latest hollywood feelgood blockbuster isn't really of much use either. We don't owe anyone a damn thing. This is our home, and we make up the rules to suit ourselves, which is why the "born on Irish soil" law was recently revoked. Thats how it is, same as for everyone else.

ZorbaTehZ

Surprised no-one mentioned the children (usually on shop-street) who have tin-whistles/accordions and don't have a damn clue how to play them, just making noise. That really annoys me.

Sponge Bob

Tuneless kids playing in the centre is a long term tradition in Galway to circumvent begging laws . We always had a few of these around. Bad as they are there is no aesthetic prequalification to be a busker ( except on the London Underground) .

As they are playing the game the way its always been played I say good on them even though they cannot play

No laws being broken .

electro.ie

There was no racism in Ireland until them bloody foriegners arrived!

biko

I don't like the beggers/rose people as they won't give up. Probably they're learning from the chuggers.

Had one gypsy(?) ring the door, when I opened he gave me a card with some sob story on it. Anyway I just handed the card back and said sorry and closed the door. Fecking cheek of him, calling to the door.

kraggy

I cannot believe both the racism and ethnic hatred appearing in this post.

And to think that some of are in the Uni or GMIT and you can't even form a proper argument without resorting to descriptions of violence or juvenile name-calling.

They really do give out degrees to any sort of fool these days.

Bloody disgrace some of you.

the-furbo

Notorious BIG wrote:

One of the women who sells the big issue has gold teeth, she cant be that poor

Ya they always have gold teeth...what the hell! I also saw one women avec le gold teeth begging with a baby in a buggy for effect only.....it was a doll, a baby born to be precise, I only noticed bacause it was totally white and didnt look very much like a romanian baby!

Duras

the-furbo wrote:

Ya they always have gold teeth...what the hell!

They start with gold teeth and end up building gold mansions... All from begging in Western Europe... The Gypsies as Indians have a passion for golden shiny things.

the-furbo wrote:

it was totally white and didnt look very much like a romanian baby!

Now what is that supposed to mean? Since when do you know how a Romanian baby looks like... This quote is a bit naive not to say idiotic... :mad:

Confusing Gypsies with Romanians is as bad as saying that Irish are the Nigerian community living on the smaller British island.

wet-paint

In hopes of keeping the thread from being locked, has anyone but the OP any positive experiences of immigrants? Personally, I have but one. My own experiences are mostly negative, but tbh they've all been posted already by others; begging, theft, antisocial behavior. My mam is a great fan of hiring Eastern European people to iron clothes, work in the garden etc. Poles mostly, but some Slovakians, and a HOT check girl. One polish guy, a priest, worked landscaping our garden for a week, delivered papers, washed dishes in a pub, and i na restaurant somewhere else. That was about 18 months ago. About a month ago I caught a cab, a two year old Camry, and it was him driving it. Nice to see some hard graft and a good attitude paying off.

Anyone else have any positive experiences?

Karl Hungus

kraggy wrote:

I cannot believe both the racism and ethnic hatred appearing in this post.

And to think that some of are in the Uni or GMIT and you can't even form a proper argument without resorting to descriptions of violence or juvenile name-calling.

They really do give out degrees to any sort of fool these days.

Bloody disgrace some of you.

Hmm... It's quite ironic that people on boards can spew the most vile hatred with reguards to the likes of our skangers and various criminal types, yet speak about anyone from another country in a negative light, and the 'Holier than thou' types come preaching their righteous indignation about "Racism" and such nonsense.

So there you have it, if a roma gypsie hops over the counter where you work, you're the fool, and you're full of ethnic hatred. :rolleyes:

Clearly you should've helped them to some of the goods that they hopped over the counter to get. Wouldn't want to be thought of as racist, would you?

Karl Hungus

I've edited the thread title to avoid any further complications.

Gypsy does not equal Romanian, and we should try not to confuse the two.

padi89

kraggy wrote:

I cannot believe both the racism and ethnic hatred appearing in this post.

And to think that some of are in the Uni or GMIT and you can't even form a proper argument without resorting to descriptions of violence or juvenile name-calling.

Why?,do you believe that only people in Uni or GMIT are the only people capable of a proper argument?

padi89

kraggy wrote:

I cannot believe both the racism and ethnic hatred appearing in this post.

And to think that some of are in the Uni or GMIT and you can't even form a proper argument without resorting to descriptions of violence or juvenile name-calling.

Why?,do you believe that people in Uni or GMIT are the only people capable of a proper argument?

majiktripp

Have to agree with you there Karl, there does seem to be a softly softly approach to complaining about foreigners as everyone jumps to the conclusion that your the next Hitler.....
I wish it was the case that Romanian Gypsies who come over here would work hard,integrate into the society and contribute to it but it seems that its a fact that they don't, going on the general experiences of the previous posters. Galway is a a very diverse city with many ethnicities to be found here but I'm afraid to admit I would like to see less Roma's being allowed access to this city and country as a whole, and until I have a postivite experience with them I believe this will be my view for a while.

SimpleSam06

Karl Hungus wrote:

Hmm... It's quite ironic that people on boards can spew the most vile hatred with reguards to the likes of our skangers and various criminal types, yet speak about anyone from another country in a negative light, and the 'Holier than thou' types come preaching their righteous indignation about "Racism" and such nonsense.

Indeed, it is my policy to spew vile hatred with regards to everyone, equally... a much more equitable view.

CrazyPJ

30 years ago the same anti-racist bullying happened in england and anyone who expressed reservations about mass immigration was ostrasized. Now in england we have a multi-cultural nighmare on our hands. If you get your info from sky news etc then you will not find any truth spoken about race. Except that racism is bad. I hung with west indian peoples in the seventies when I lived cheek by jowl and I have discovered that skin color is a mere superficial difference between us. However the die has been cast and it cant be reversed. In my eyes and many people I know have seen the same dynamics at work in the former Yugoslavia when Tito told all the ethnics to get along and we saw the result of that. Its all great as long as the money is rolling in. But what will happen if there is an economic colapse as surely there will be. And Ireland has only experienced the first wave of mass emigration. Prettty soon you will be second class citizens in your own country. Ahhhhhh.. remember the NICE trety. ohhhh yeah .. wrong answer

good luck

I was in Shop Street earlier and one of those idiots comes up to me with a Big Issue. She looks at me before approaching and I shake my head. She comes up to me. I say, No. She walks closer to me. I once again say no. She comes up to me with the blasted magazine and basically pushes it in my face and I swear, I wanted to grab the damned thing and slap her with it.

To whoever said bout the group who sell the roses; the people who sell the roses, the people with the big issues, the people with the begging- they all belong in the same group. I know this because I saw them all together. Hell, that Big Issues woman was standing right outside a church in town trying to sell to people walking out. That got me so annoyed.

singloud

Theres a lot of Czechs over here and once a teacher started a debate in philosophy about racism, the Czechs were all saying how awful racism is but the minute the teacher mentioned the Roma(he lived in Czech republic for a few years) the Czechs started spouting the usual stuff people say about reviled groups.The Roma are despised around eastern europe, one Slovak guy talks enthusiastically about 'Gypsy bashing'

But Political correctness annoys me. IF we were all PC can you imagine how anodyne the world would be? Who cares, there's a huge difference between making a joke and being offensive. There's so much political correctness around it annoys the hell outta me.Theres a gay guy here who I defended from Bullies in class a couple of times, honestly the guy acts like he got his ideas of homosexuality from a movie, he's camp as hell. Anyhow, he was talking loudly to me about how someone gave a comment for his year book, I asked him if it was the Black guy. He accused me of racism. Damn kid.

Duras

At on of the entrances from a metro station, there was a gypsy old woman selling peanuts for €2 the portion. This young, intelligent, anti-racist and Samaritan fellow was passing by every morning. He was always giving the woman €2 but never taking the peanuts.
One morning, the guy gave the woman €2 as usual and was going to walk away. The woman stopped him.
- I suppose you want to ask me why I always give you €2 and never take the peanuts, the young man said.
- Oh no, I just want to tell you that the peanuts are €3 from now on, the gypsy woman replied.

This story may not be real but is realistic. If you offer money to the gypsy beggars don’t expect gratitude. What you should expect is that they take you for an idiot and try to get the most out of you.

P.S.
Thanks Karl for changing the thread title.