Playing LAG ... TP 2nd Kicker ... Whats my move

DubTony

I've taken 7 of the last 10 pots, 3 uncontested. Players are getting a bit tired of my stealing and re-raising and in the hand previous to this one I was lucky enough to have Aces on the button when the BB pushed back at me pre-flop.

I've played the villain in this hand off 2 hands in the previous 2 rounds and haven't shown a hand yet (except AA).

He even asked the table "does he do this a lot?" when I re-raised him pre-flop and on the ace high flop, even though he'd been at the table for about 35 hands. His play seems quite aggressive and he's taken down a few without showing his hand, and it's obvious he's a little bit peeved at my LAGginess (sic) in the last couple of rounds. BTW, this is the first time I've ever played a 6 handed table (if that matters)


Full Tilt Poker Game #2123360628: Table Mulroona (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:18:42 ET - 2007/04/02
Seat 1: ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: ($8.35)
Seat 3: ($5.85)
Seat 4: Villain ($12.85)
Seat 5: HERO ($10.20)
Seat 6: ($14.60)
Squiggles79 posts the small blind of $0.05
pokerplayer187 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Qh Kd]
Villain raises to $0.40
HERO calls $0.40
FOLD : BB calls $0.35 : FOLD
*** FLOP *** [2d 6s Qs]
check : Villain checks
HERO bets $1
folds
VILLAIN raises to $12.45, and is all in
HERO has 15 seconds left to act
Villain : your turn

What's my move?

breadmonkey

I really don't think the style you're describing will work at this level. All you can do is make a hand and then bet, bet and overbet. Pretty much everyone at this level cannot be taken off a hand and that's why it's easy!

Hectorjelly

fold preflop, call the flop

DubTony

breadmonkey wrote:

I really don't think the style you're describing will work at this level. All you can do is make a hand and then bet, bet and overbet. Pretty much everyone at this level cannot be taken off a hand and that's why it's easy!

I've been playing nine handed and decided to try six handed as I'd been trying to loosen up and vary my game. This table, for me, was purely a bit of a lark as I'd been extremely tilty in the last couple of weeks and wanted to mess around a bit. I'm typically TAG and found that playing loose nine handed was costing me. The hands I'd been playing here were primarily suited picture cards, connected cards, any 2 pictures and any Ace better than A5o.

What I'd found surprising was that most of the players here were pretty tight (except the villain in the hand) and were well capable of laying down Aces and draws to a decent bet. So I agree that the table was quite unusual. Given the info, what do you think of this particular hand ?

DubTony

Hectorjelly wrote:

fold preflop

why?

wrote:

call the flop

why?

Ste05

You probably have to call now. I would find it unusual for someone to do this with a big hand (AA, KK, QQ or AQ) against a LAG. I often play this kind of style and I'd probably call here.

DubTony

What about a re-raise pre-flop? Would that be any better?

Ste05

Usually at my usual levels (1/2) I'd re-raise or fold this, and because the initial raiser has a full stack and I'll have position on him, I would often raise, but it would depend on how active I'd been at the table recently. From the sounds of it you'd been very active recently, therefore I'd be more inclined to calm down for a while to re-establish some kind of decent/ non-maniacal image.

My main problem with re-raising here would be that if he's getting frustrated he's very likely to 4-bet me which obviously I couldn't call or play on against, so often times with the current dynamic of the table, it could quickly turn into a spew. Control and knowledge of your current table image is vital while playing a Loose Aggressive style.

So to come back to the original point, I'd probably just fold.

Another problem with your hand is, it's the kind of hand that in a pot that has already been raised it's highly unlikely that we're going to be very comfortable putting our whole stack into the pot without the nuts (i.e. 10JAr) if the original raiser continues, because generally if the Villain is willing to play for stacks on a K or Q high flop (sometimes even a KQ flop) he'll usually have us beaten. Not so much in this spot, because of the huge over-sized C/R, I just think this is more of a frustration bet/ bet to tell us who's boss, more than a Value bet.

Just some rambling thoughts there, pick out of that what you can, and there might be more I can add to it, I've kind of lost my chain of thought, I got distracted half way through.

Hectorjelly

DubTony wrote:

why?
why?

One because KQo is a bad hand to call raises with, and two because you figure to have the best hand a good % of the time.

A reraise would be good sometimes, but it sounds like you should just let this go preflop as ste outlined

DubTony

Thanks lads. As it happened my thinking was a bit like Ste's. Pre-flop I felt a call was best to slow things down a bit but I seriously thought about a re-raise, (Ste, HJ, your advice here is noted) and post flop I didn't think the guy would push with any of the hands that had me beat, although i did go through the "I think he thinks" scenario. I decided it was a frustration bet and called. He had AsAh. Take from it what you will. If I'd read what he typed in the chat box before I called I'd probably have let it go.
The reason I asked about re-raising preflop is because I do feel that it's a hand you can't be sure where you are with. If he'd pushed preflop after a re-raise I'd have had no preoblem letting it go at that point.

I have to say, I enjoyed playing LAG as it's not my natural style at all. And on a tight table it's not really very difficult to take charge.

For anyone interested the rest of the hand was pretty sick.
Turn K
River 2 :mad:

Thanks again fellahs.