Landowners required for rifle licence

Our man in Havana

I am having trouble getting into the local gun club, being a blow in etc not part of the local clique. Can anyone tell me how many landowners do you need to get a licence for a .22 rifle? Do the landowners need to have a certain amount of land to qualify?

I am in Laois, Abbeyleix Super will be the man looking at my paperwork.

Thanks
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Umiq88

Depends on where you are

Normally its two letters from two farmers but once theres a decent amount of land shouldnt be a problem. If you can get two though would be better.

I was only asked for 1 on my last application but i already have a licence and they know me in there.

Clare gunner

Two landowners,and there is no acreage limitation.
However the landowners/farmers do not have to be in your district either.You can have one say,local and one on the other side of the country.Just get the distant ones land folio nr to prove that they exist.

the hunter

are you sure clare gunner theres no acreage limit
when i got my application forms i was told by the dealer
the landowners had to have 50 acres between them ??

sidneyreilly

Bond. Do you want the rifle primarily for target shooting or hunting?

Our man in Havana

Targets mostly. The only hunting would be the odd rat in the back field.

Umiq88

then get a letter from the club where your going to be shooting membership/permission and a letter from a land owner

Clare gunner

ASFIK this is the standard,unless this has changed recently.The only requirement is for deer hunting,where the landowners area is checked by Coillte for deer numbers.

Our man in Havana

I will try the 2 farmer approach.

How many rounds are you allowed to keep?

Dr Strange

The default amount of rounds is 100. You can apply for more if your FAO or Superintendent is okay with it.

As for the two letters from farmers: where do you suggest to go target-shooting? On their land? As I understand it the letters from farmers is mainly for hunting reasons. Target-shooting requires a letter from a rifle/shooting club, that was my understanding anyway.

Best,

Preusse

Our man in Havana

I shall tell them that it's for hunting only.

Clare gunner

Preusse wrote:

The default amount of rounds is 100. You can apply for more if your FAO or Superintendent is okay with it.


Default has been increased to 500 ASFIK.

maglite

if it has it will take a while to filter down

Dr Strange

Yes, I got my licenses with 100 default recently. Is the minimum of 500 rounds on the Irish license or the European Firearms Pass?

Best,
Preusse

Clare gunner

The Irish liscense.

the hunter

Clare gunner wrote:

The Irish liscense.

hi claregunner when has this 500 default come in i applied for a licence a few weeks ago and 100 was put on it ??

Sparks

The europass has a default limit of 500, and there's an argument that the higher limit in the europass forces the Irish licence limit up to meet it.

I'm personally not yet convinced because EU firearms law doesn't often overrule local firearms law, and I've not seen anyone acceeding to the argument in the powers that be.

Umiq88

Will check my license when it comes through but im expected 100 to be on it dont see it as a problem its not a rule that is enforced really.

stevoman

there is a rifle and pistol range near rahen in county offaly. you can get the phone number down off the website just google it. he chatges about 400 for a years membership but i know a few people who have been looking to get a high powered rifle and also looking for pistol licenses and couldnt obtain them, but after they joined this club they didnt have much probloms as this range caters for all types of guns. maybe you should check this out, its expensive but worth a try if your really interested

Clare gunner

Just strange,as with all mine last year,bar the limited cert were increased to 500,without me saying anything.So maybe it is becoming a default?

stevoman

thats strange because i havnt heard of any license that allows more than 100, but as said its not enforced. i hear that they are going to be making changes to legislation in the next month. will that effect current license holders for rifles and shotguns much?

johnner1

dont post two often lads .

just had a look at my certs 2 shotgun default 300 each.
have had 300 on shotguns for years.
.22 lr default 200 never had to ask going on the last 3 years.

Our man in Havana

Back to my original Question. I spoke to the FO in the local station today and she told me that 2 landowners is enough and that the gun cabinet is mandatory.

Will they call out to look at the cabinet or will a receipt for it be enough?

stevoman

usually they wont call out to see the cabinit and im in the laois area so we probobly have the same super. show them the receipt at the station and dont let the negativity your gettin put you off. when i went in about my license for my rifle the garda asked me the same questions about my gun club membership and my safe and i got the impression that if i dint have membership or a safe he wasnt going to fill in my application, fortunatly i did have these but still after filling in the forms he told me he thought it was doubtful i would get the license but in my personal opinion i dont think the garda was fond of letting anyone have a gun, (with the way crime has gone in the country i know the have somewhat of a point, but a gun is only as dangerous as the person that uses it!), but three weeks later i had it. in point dont let these things put you off, get your land owners permission or join a rifle club as i said and it should be steady sailing for you, but most important you never know until your application is made

sidneyreilly

stevoman wrote:

i did have these but still after filling in the forms he told me he thought it was doubtful i would get the license but in

Bloody cheek:mad: Did they elaborate on what grounds you were "not" going to get it on?

stevoman

no he didnt he just told me it was a completly different situation between a shotgun(which i have) and having a license for a rifle. i got it no probs, but i found that with the person in question he wqas quite negative about the whole thing, but as i said they do have somewhat of a point but im a firm beleiver that as i said a gun is onlt as dangerous as the person that uses it.

Clare gunner

Bond,
You can do both,either give them the recipt and/or let them see it.On a diplomatic point,I would let them see the cabinet.BUT thats all!Not let them off tramping around the house to check "security" of doors and windows or photograph the cabinet.:eek: Let them be aware that you know the law and that inspecting the cabinet means just that.

Keelan

stevoman wrote:

there is a rifle and pistol range near rahen in county offaly. you can get the phone number down off the website just google it. he chatges about 400 for a years membership but i know a few people who have been looking to get a high powered rifle and also looking for pistol licenses and couldnt obtain them, but after they joined this club they didnt have much probloms as this range caters for all types of guns. maybe you should check this out, its expensive but worth a try if your really interested

400:eek: fack that.

stevoman

its not really that bad of a bargain if you are a high powered rifle or pistol enthusiast.

Our man in Havana

I got my 2 letters and went to the cop shop yesterday to apply for my licence. How long on average does it take before I am approved?

Clare gunner

Think it is now 90 days max that they have to respond. Did U get your recipt stamped with the date today as proof that this was the day you dropped it in?Cos if there is any funny biz about it getting lost or deemed refused without informing you of such,there is proof that it went into the system on that date.

Our man in Havana

Got nothing from them at all. They gave a vague timeline of 6 weeks. They said I was to pay when the application was approved.

Sparks

I don't think the 90 days bit is commenced yet CG.

Our man in Havana

So they can keep you hanging on indefenitely?

Sharpie

First post here, but have browsed for a long while.

Applied for shotgun license recently and they say it would also take about 6 weeks...only took 3 1/2 weeks in the end. Maybe just luck...but a few friends of mine had the same sort of wait. Probably differs area by area though.

ArthurJ

Sparks wrote:

I don't think the 90 days bit is commenced yet CG.

Sparks
In reply to my question, on the 9th March, about the three month limit, you replied..

”So yes, the three month limit is in"

Can you clear it up once and for all.

Best of luck.

bullets

Clare gunner wrote:

Just strange,as with all mine last year,bar the limited cert were increased to 500,without me saying anything.So maybe it is becoming a default?

Mine was 100, My FO said his super only dole'd out 100rnd limits.
I'm gonna look for an increase when it comes time to renewel.
Realistically 200 would do me but it would be nice to buy a brick.
(Or I may look into getting a European licence) Also will be looking into
a Moderator. Which I know will be refused. I know poeple have
said you need written permission by the super for one but I dont see
that written in the firearms act they only have a definition that a silencer
could form a componant part of a firearm.

~B

.243

bullets wrote:

Mine was 100, My FO said his super only dole'd out 100rnd limits.
I'm gonna look for an increase when it comes time to renewel.
Realistically 200 would do me but it would be nice to buy a brick.
(Or I may look into getting a European licence) Also will be looking into
a Moderator. Which I know will be refused. I know poeple have
said you need written permission by the super for one but I dont see
that written in the firearms act they only have a definition that a silencer
could form a componant part of a firearm.

~B

FIREARMS AND OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT, 1990 SECTION 7

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1990 12 7


Possession, sale, etc., of silencers. 7.—(1) A person shall be guilty of an offence if he has in his possession or sells or transfers to another person a silencer unless the possession, sale or transfer is authorised in writing by the superintendent of the district in which the first-mentioned person resides.

(2) A superintendent shall not grant an authorisation under this section unless he is satisfied that the person who is to have possession of the silencer or to whom it is to be sold or transferred is the holder of a firearm certificate for a firearm to which the silencer can be fitted and that—

( a ) having regard to all the circumstances, the possession, sale or transfer concerned will not endanger the public safety or the peace, and
( b ) the person has a special need that is, in the opinion of the superintendent, sufficient to justify the granting of the authorisation for the silencer.
(3) The superintendent of the district where the holder of an authorisation under this section resides may, at any time, attach to the authorisation such conditions as he considers necessary for the purpose of preventing danger to the public or to the peace or of ensuring that the silencer is used only to satisfy the special need for which the authorisation was granted.

(4) An authorisation under this section may be granted for such period not exceeding one year as is specified in the authorisation and may be revoked by the superintendent of the district where its holder resides.

(5) A person who contravenes a condition attached to an authorisation under this section shall be guilty of an offence.

(6) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

( a ) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or to both, or
( b ) on conviction on indictment, to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.