Full of excitement and now full of bitter bitter disappointmet

shinzon

I got my ps3 in gamestop at 8am this morning and have yet to actually see a hi-def image on the machine, i have motorstorm and resistance and have basically come to the end of my tether

I have a samsung syncmaster 940mw which is a hi-def telly come pc monitor, i specifically went for this because it was hdcp compliant (needed for ps3 explain in a moment), and had connections for component svideo vga and dvi

Spent weeks researching the monitor and the ps3 to make sure all the bits and bobs were compatible and that id have minimum of fuss setting it up, i got the best hdmi-dvi cable money could buy and also made sure that it to would work

And here i am now sittting at my pc and literally nothing works, i put in the av composite cable set the output video to hdmi, it recognises an hdmi device is attached and says would you like to output to this device (ie monitor), i click yes and nothing black screen so that is up the spout, i also have a component av hd cable, tried that still same

Ps3 is stuck at 576i and i cant seem to get it to move off there, the xbox 360works fine and displays at 720P nps, this is rapidly turning out to be the worst buy ive ever made and am seriously thinking of taking it back and forgetting i ever saw the damn thing

Shin

namloc1980

shinzon wrote:

And here i am now sittting at my pc and literally nothing works, i put in the av composite cable set the output video to hdmi, it recognises an hdmi device is attached and says would you like to output to this device (ie monitor), i click yes and nothing black screen so that is up the spout, i also have a component av hd cable, tried that still same

Ps3 is stuck at 576i and i cant seem to get it to move off there, the xbox 360works fine and displays at 720P nps, this is rapidly turning out to be the worst buy ive ever made and am seriously thinking of taking it back and forgetting i ever saw the damn thing

Shin

av composite is NOT a HD enabled cable so by telling the PS3 you have a HDMI cable but only really have a composite is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole....it won't work. need to buy a cable suitable for the monitor or set the PS3 to composite input

Vegeta

you need a HDMI cable to use HDMI

or at least a component cable (red, green and blue) to get any bit of a HD signal

the composite (yellow, white and red) is a SD cable really

Ciaran500

namloc1980 wrote:

av composite is NOT a HD enabled cable so by telling the PS3 you have a HDMI cable but only really have a composite is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole....it won't work. need to buy a cable suitable for the monitor or set the PS3 to composite input

You need to start the console with a HD or SD cable in and tell it to enable the HDMI slot. He's doing it right, he's not trying to get HD from the composite cable.

Guy with the same problem here: http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=72317

0ubliette

is there a VGA cable for ps3? use that, you could get at least 720p from one, i use vga into a samsung 23" hdtv, it looks lovely, alot better than component anyway.

Ciaran500

No VGA for the PS3.

shinzon

umm

1) i have a hdmi-dvi cable, reason i mentioned the hdcp compliancy is with all my research i did it said to use a hdmi-dvi cable you needed a monitor that was hdcp compliant

2) i used the composite cable because it said i need to do that in the manual to get to the xmb to goto display options and change the output to hdmi and save changes, im not dumb enough to try and get hd images out of a composite cable tbh

2) once the hdmi-dvi cable didnt work i went back to gamestop and purchased a component HD av cable and tried that with same results

Please read posts before commenting thx

Shin

Ciaran500

Do you know anyone with a TV you could try it on?

shinzon

works fine on my standard def tellly with the composite and or component cables attached, just wont do anything with this monitor, cant understand it considering i have my xbox360 hooked upto it and its running perfectly well in hi definition

soooooo am really stuck i think anyhoo turned it off for the moment as i was about to fling it out the window

will try it again later but doubt it will make any difference

Shin

Vegeta

shinzon wrote:

Please read posts before commenting thx

Shin

wow way to treat people only trying to help.

well you're obviously doing something wrong or your PS3 is fcuked. So we covered the basics. You have the cables required

Have you checked your TV is working correcty with other HD sources in the resoultions and modes the Ps3 will use

shinzon

Vegeta wrote:

wow way to treat people only trying to help.

well you're obviously doing something wrong or your PS3 is fcuked. So we covered the basics. You have the cables required

Have you checked your TV is working correcty with other HD sources in the resoultions and modes the Ps3 will use

I asked people to read posts is all, nothing wrong in that TBH

Shin

abcxyz123

i use a hdmi to dvi not problem, worked straight out of the box, and i am getting 1080i/720p no bother.

Pacifico

Gotta be your tv tbh

Dman001

I found this on AV Forums http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454894&highlight=syncmaster+940mw+dvi+hdmi

McSandwich

I read something in a review about having to connect via scart first in order to enable HDMI.

Out of the box and frustratingly the console isn't automatically set for the HDMI connection meaning you still have to connect the scart until you change the settings.

Here's the review link, hopefully it helps!

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/reviews/review.phtml/1942/2966/PlayStation-3-ps3-sony-console.phtml

shinzon

a little bit of an update on this, i managed to get the ps3 working but the only resolution the ps3 will accept is 1080i, very strange indeed, any other resolution and it just says no signal

Not really sure why it only accepts 1080i when my xbox360 is running on the monitor at 720p nps

gets weirder and weirder

Shin

scrapland

Lads in order to get the PS3 to auto-detect your cable / dvi / component etc...




Turn off the machine.

Press and hold the power button for a few seconds. This will force the PS3 to look for an AV solution.

This should detect your HDMI and a message should appear 'hdmi found' etc...


For those having trouble getting 1080i to work or 720p to work.

Make sure in the display settings you choose 'custom' and then select by ticking the box for your displays.

shinzon

scrapland wrote:

Lads in order to get the PS3 to auto-detect your cable / dvi / component etc...




Turn off the machine.

Press and hold the power button for a few seconds. This will force the PS3 to look for an AV solution.

This should detect your HDMI and a message should appear 'hdmi found' etc...


For those having trouble getting 1080i to work or 720p to work.

Make sure in the display settings you choose 'custom' and then select by ticking the box for your displays.

Aye when i have the HDMI cable plugged in it says that it does detect it and it then says do you wish to use this to output i say yes and thats where it falls down black screen

think now its the way the monitor is configured

it has 4 settings

1) component
2) TV
3) DVI
4) AV

think the ps3 cant output the signal because i have to change source each time

For now 1080i will have to do just dont think this monitor/TV combo works with ps3 full stop

Shin

pyzon

When i was watching a movie it only showed as 1080i for some reason, so I went into the settings and disabled 1080i as an option forcing it to 720p. Worked fine, you've probably done this but maybe not.

shinzon

pyzon wrote:

When i was watching a movie it only showed as 1080i for some reason, so I went into the settings and disabled 1080i as an option forcing it to 720p. Worked fine, you've probably done this but maybe not.

Aye tried this, its strange only time i get the custom options is with the component HD cable i bought, tried forcing it to 720P just goes blank and then says no signal then goes back to 1080i

shame the playstaion 3 doesnt have as comprehensive a display option as the xbox360 which is running quite well in 720p on this monitor no problems at all though it is connected via the vga connection on the monitor

Only hope is they bring out a vga cable soon or its off to buy a HDTV

Shin

scrapland

Also I found component out on the PS3 generally to be inferior to the 360's component out.

On a 360 - little difference between component & vga
PS3 - massive difference between component & dvi/hdmi

between the two - no difference between vga 360 & hdmi PS3

I think sony are using cheap AV circuitry for the normal AV port 'ala' PS2.

shinzon

just reading some forums this morning and a lot of posts are saying that HDMI-DVI dual link cables dont work with PS3, that you need to have HDMI-DVI single link HDCP compliant cable to work

Monitors HDCP compliant but the hdmi-dvi cable i bought is dual link hdcp compliant, anyone running the ps3 with hdmi-dvi connection confirm whether the cable there using is dual or single link before i splash out on yet another cable :P

Seems also a lot of people are running the samsung syncmaster 940mw with no probs at all with ps3 so summits up

link below shows you the difference between dvi-single and dual link cables look about halfway down the page


http://www.freespaces.com/columbiaisa/cable_dvi.htm


Continued help is apppreciated

thx

Shin

shinzon

can anyone confirm there hdmi-dvi cable is single or a dual link cable please

thx

shin

mickger

On my NTSC PS3 HDMI to HDMI won't work, HDMI to DVI works and component works. Really wish HDMI to HDMI would work on my Samsung 32" LCD

scrapland

mickger wrote:

On my NTSC PS3 HDMI to HDMI won't work, HDMI to DVI works and component works. Really wish HDMI to HDMI would work on my Samsung 32" LCD

weird I wonder whats going on there ?

On my NTSC PS3, all work on everything I've tried.

My Dell 2407fpw 1920x1200 lcd - hdmi - dvi works for 1080p no problem
My Philips 42" Ambilight LCD HDTV - Hdmi to Hdmi works no problem & component works no problem for 1080i/720p
My Dell 2600FPW LCD HDTV - component & hdmi to dvi working for 1080i/720p

mickger

scrapland wrote:

weird I wonder whats going on there ?

On my NTSC PS3, all work on everything I've tried.

My Dell 2407fpw 1920x1200 lcd - hdmi - dvi works for 1080p no problem
My Philips 42" Ambilight LCD HDTV - Hdmi to Hdmi works no problem & component works no problem for 1080i/720p
My Dell 2600FPW LCD HDTV - component & hdmi to dvi working for 1080i/720p

I wonder if i used a different HDMI to HDMI cable would that help?

Flaccus

scrapland wrote:

weird I wonder whats going on there ?

On my NTSC PS3, all work on everything I've tried.

My Dell 2407fpw 1920x1200 lcd - hdmi - dvi works for 1080p no problem
My Philips 42" Ambilight LCD HDTV - Hdmi to Hdmi works no problem & component works no problem for 1080i/720p
My Dell 2600FPW LCD HDTV - component & hdmi to dvi working for 1080i/720p

On your 2407 are you using a single link hdmi to dvi cable or a dual link.
single link has 18pins on the dvi end, dual link has 24. Thanks.

scrapland

Flaccus wrote:

On your 2407 are you using a single link hdmi to dvi cable or a dual link.
single link has 18pins on the dvi end, dual link has 24. Thanks.

Just looked for you. 25 pins

The Dell 2407fpw has HDCP support as well.

Flaccus

Thanks.
So dual link works.

What you using a Belkin PureAV or some other brand ?

thanks again

scrapland

Flaccus wrote:

Thanks.
So dual link works.

What you using a Belkin PureAV or some other brand ?

thanks again

Monster. Bought from Harvery Normans ages ago. Cost €80 or some such, but Harvey's staff are easy to bargain with and I got it for €55.. Still bloody expensive for a cable though.

Flaccus

Indeed, especially when hdmi to dvi cables suitable for the ps3 are on ebay for 5 euro. It's a single link, which can handle up to 1920x1200.

http://cgi.ebay.ie/HDMI-to-18-Pin-DVI-Cable-Lead-for-Sony-PS3-HDTV-HD-DVD_W0QQitemZ160094380192QQcategoryZ49230QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

scrapland

Flaccus wrote:

Indeed, especially when hdmi to dvi cables suitable for the ps3 are on ebay for 5 euro. It's a single link, which can handle up to 1920x1200.

http://cgi.ebay.ie/HDMI-to-18-Pin-DVI-Cable-Lead-for-Sony-PS3-HDTV-HD-DVD_W0QQitemZ160094380192QQcategoryZ49230QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yeah but the usual ebay con job on that item in regards to cheap product & OTT shipping..

€5 cable + €20 postage, for what could be a v.cheap manufactured cable.


I've bought cheap cables from ebay before to hook up to my projectors etc, and awlays end up having to go out and buy better cable in the end. Cheap component cables are the worst, as they often result in loads of ghosting etc..

Flaccus

Thinking of a ps3 myself and would probably just get the belkin job I saw in Currys the other day. About 30 euro I think.

Are you running a vga cable to your 2407 then for your pc. How's the vga quality of the monitor at 1920x1200 ?

scrapland

Flaccus wrote:

Thinking of a ps3 myself and would probably just get the belkin job I saw in Currys the other day. About 30 euro I think.

Are you running a vga cable to your 2407 then for your pc. How's the vga quality of the monitor at 1920x1200 ?

Well for the PS3 it HDMI to DVI for the 2407fpw, for the 360 it's VGA

For my day to day computer usuage my macpro is connected via DVI.

I did test my mac pro image quality via dvi and vga, and was suprised by how good 1920x1200 holds up on VGA. I was convinced it would be vastly inferior to DVI on the 2407, but it turns out it's grand. Whether thats the monitor being very good or my graphics card output X1900XT 512mb, I'm not sure, but either way it looked sweet.


PS3 at 1080p on the 2407 remember to turn off 1080i as the 2407 doesnt do 1080i via dvi.

360 at 1920x1080 VGA cable on the machine again looks great.

Both the PS3 & 360 via component on the 2407 looks crap. Surprisingly dissapointing with the component picture on the 2407.

Flaccus

Thanks for the info mate. very useful. Surprised component is so bad on the 360. Only tried it on a 2405 myself and it was grand.

In order to get the signal from the ps3 to come up on the 2407 using the hdmi to dvi cable did you also plug in the ps3 composite av cable at the same time, and boot up from that and then select hdmi, unplug composite and reboot off hdmi. Read somewhere that is how to do it. Or did the PS3 work first time on the 2407 with just the hdmi to dvi cable plugged in. Also I assume you disabled 1080i before selecting hdmi or is that after.

scrapland

Nah man thats just because those people havent learned that the ps3 does have an auto av search. When you turn the PS3 on simply keep your finger on the powerbutton for a few seconds. This makes the ps3 detect the video output. So much easier than faffing about changing cables.


Only on the 2407fpw is component ropey. On my other HD TV's and projectors - component is great - that's why it was so noticeable that it was inferior on the 2407fpw. The 2405 was a super sweet monitor and better than its successor.

Flaccus

Good to know. And sorry to the OP for going off topic so much.

I am in the market for a console now and will be using it with a 2407 like yourself. Considering the PS3, and one of the reasons to be honest is the lack of noise I keep hearing about. Had a 360 before and it drove me round the bend.

Also out of curiousity have you come accross any reliable hdmi/dvi boxes out there. Would be nice to plug both the pc and ps3 into the dvi port.

By the way, I prefer the colour, sharpness and response on the 2407. Maybe the inputs are not as good but I ran a 2405 and 2407 side by side for a while and the 2407 looked better to my eyes over dvi anyway.

shinzon

nps, ive given up getting the ps3 to work with a dual link hdmi-dvi cable gonna try a single link cable now if that doesnt work then i presume its the ps3 is at fault and need to return it to get replacement

Shin

Dickmcsavage

Hey heres something strange to add to this whole thing. Firstly I posted a thread with a similar problem on the games forum but was re-directed to this one so here goes:

Problem playing PS3 on Moniter
Hey all! Been having a problem with my PS3...You see I want to be able to play it on my moniter so that I can get all that HI-Def goodness, only problem is..it doesn't work. There is however reason for me to believe that I still might get it to work. Firstly what im using to connect the two is a HDMI to DVI cable with the DVI end obviously going into the moniter. When I first tried this set up the moniter came out of stand-by mode obviously recognising that a signal was comig in but it didn't display anything, only black. The fact that the moniter tried to display it is my first reason for thinking I might get around this conundrum. My second reason is this: When I have the PS3 connected to my TV through scart but also connected to the moniter using the HDMI/DVI cable, I get a message on my TV saying that there has been a HDMI device detected and do I want to output all video and audio to this.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Oh it might come in handy if you know what moniter I actually have:
Octigen 19'' Widescreen TFT-LCD Monitor

You read about it here:
http://www.octigen.com/products/prod...=22&A=6&B=9&C=

Anyways since then I have plugged it into my HDTV downstairs. I literally only put the HDMI to HDMI cable into it and it worked, no questions answered! Didnt have to fiddle around with any settings or anything. It was all sunshine and lollipops until...TODAY! I literally came downstairs after waking, went to to play the PS3 and low and behold, it didn't work! WTF?! I didnt mess around with it in any way nor did I take out any cables. I literally didn't touch the damn thing! So why is it that it's not working I wonder and why the hell did sony make this so feckin' hard to get goin?! Argh! I have been trying all sorts to get it to function but with no results. I'm beginning to think that it's my PS3 that may not be functioning properly.

If anyone out there knows what Im talking about could they please post a clear and comprehensive guide to solving this. Its really doing my head in!

Cheers lads!

koneko

If you want to use a HDMI-DVI adapter and connect to a monitor, it has be HDCP compatible. I doubt that monitor is. If it isn't, then it won't work.

shinzon

havent received the single link cable yet so have not tried it to see if it works,

but to add to all this cant play ps3 on TVs or monitors, a work colleague of mine got a ps3 the same day as me and he has an LG 32" HDTV with HDMI-HDMI input on it, plugged it all in selected HDMI detected it and got picture but no sound (and yes he did select HDMi as the audio output as well) no matter what he did to fiddle about with it

I seriously do have to question Sonys reasoning behind the implementation of HDMI on there consoles at this stage, it seems some are having no problems getting it setup and others are having no end of problems even considering i made sure that everything that i bought was HDCP (that is monitor plus cables) compliant so PS3 would play on it.

if it doesnt work on the single link cable I bought then ill have no choice but to bring it back for replacement because at this stage all the equipment i have is specced for ps3 compatibility and the only thing that is not working at this stage is the bloody console

Shin

Dickmcsavage

koneko wrote:

If you want to use a HDMI-DVI adapter and connect to a monitor, it has be HDCP compatible. I doubt that monitor is. If it isn't, then it won't work.

Thats fair enough and I imagined that the moniter wasn't HDCP compatible. Whats annoying me more though is the fact that my PS3 worked fine in 1080i on my HDTV for the last 2 days only to not work today out of the blue.