Something that's puzzling me....

BoozyBabe

As I've said before, I'm finding structuring sentences in Irish very difficult.

Like, I wanted to say I'm tired, & I found myself wondering whether it's phrased:-
Tá má tuirse, or
Tá tuirse orm.

I know it's the latter, & the means Tiredness is on me, & so I suppose when it's a feeling you're expressing, & it's something you could say is on you, you use Tá ..... orm, such as Tá brón orm, Tá áthas orm, etc.

Have I got the right jist there?

Are there any little rules that will make these things easier to structure?

Like, is the sentence I'm late: Tá mé déanach, as opposed to Tá déanach orm or agam or whatever....
Why, or how can I easily distinguish the differences?

Bar basic phrases, I also find it difficult to know when to use orm, agam, dom, liom, etc
Any advice there?

Also, on that free indo cd there's a phrase:- "We would like a double room"
Ba mhaith linn seomra dúbailte a bheith againn (sorry if the spelling's incorrect)

Why won't 'Ba mhaith linn seomre dúbailte' suffice?

Sorry for all the questions.
I just feel I'm going round & round, but not really making all that much progress.
Thanks,
BB

Grudaire

As in any language you can say things many ways, My sentence structure isn't great, I wouldn't worry too much about small differences.

Úsáid í, is rud níos tábhachtach é sin!

Míshásta

I don't know what the rules are. I just go by familiarity with the language. As far as I know human physical or emotional conditions are usually given by:

Tá .......(noun) orm/ort/air etc.

"Tá tuirse orm"

but you can also say

Táim tuirseach (not 'tuirse'). 'tuirseach' is the adjective.

Tá brón orm - I'm sorry

However if you change the format here you also change the meaning

Táim brónach - Im sad.

"Tá slaighdeán orm" - "I have a cold."

Táim déanach - I am late

You wouldn't say 'Tá déanach orm'. 'déanach' is an adjective and I don't think the 'tá .... orm' structure is used in this case.

But "tá deabhaidh orm" - "I'm in a hurry"

I think the only way to learn this type of phrase is to memorise them - most are very common. Read stories with a lot of dialogue - make a note of any such usage.

"Ba mhaith linn seomra dúbailte" That sounds fine to me.

A word of caution; I'm not great at the rules so I may not be entirely correct.

Gael

Hi Boozybabe. One thing to note is that in Irish you can never have this kind of sentence:

Tá mé (abstract noun). You can only use Tá (abstract noun) orm.

You can only use Tá mé with an adjective. One general rule of thumb (though not absolute) is that the adjectives tend to end with (e)ach.

So Tá tuirse orm, but
Tá mé tuirseach

BoozyBabe

Thanks very much Gael.

That's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.

Much appreciated, & the same to the rest of ye.
Thank you.
BB

Gael

BoozyBabe wrote:

Thanks very much Gael.

That's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.

Much appreciated, & the same to the rest of ye.
Thank you.
BB

No problem. Though be conscious that the two do not always mean the same thing! Obviously Tá tuirse orm and Tá mé tuirseach have the exact same meaning but:

Tá leadrán orm - I am bored
Tá mé leadránach - I am boring