Pretty standard tourney hand

Flipper

First level (25/50) of the €100 freezeout in the Macau last night. Never played with the two players before.

Effective stacks: (6k starting stack)
Me (UTG+2) 5,500
Button 9,000
BB 7,000

I make it 200 with KK. Folded to the button who calls. SB folds and BB calls.

Flop (625) - Qd 9d 3s

BB leads for 300. I call (because I think the button will raise with one pair) but he just calls.

Turn (1,525) - 4c

BB checks and I bet 1,150. Button folds and the BB goes into the tank and eventually smooth calls.

River (3,825) - Th

BB leads for 1,800. Me??????

What would you do now? Did I let the size of the pot get out of control?

Jaden

I'd have raised the flop. One other player in the pot = good. 2+ = not good, unless you've a set. You have an overpair, and two callers PF to a 4xBB raise.

I'd call the river while crying. BB had a badly played KJ?

Gus Ivey

i think you have to call the river and pray he holds J10, or a couple of diamonds

Captain Tom

i cant ever see folding here getting more than 3-1.especially in a macau weekly tourny.id expect to see Qx here fairly often and wouldnt feel too bad if you called and were beat.

on a sidenote just wondering what kind of attendances macau are getting nowadays?

ntlbell

Flipper wrote:

Never played with the two players before.


Flop (625) - Qd 9d 3s

BB leads for 300. I call (because I think the button will raise with one pair) but he just calls.

Do you let other people post from your account Kieran?

Flushdraw

Flipper wrote:

First level (25/50) of the €100 freezeout in the Macau last night. Never played with the two players before.

Effective stacks: (6k starting stack)
Me (UTG+2) 5,500
Button 9,000
BB 7,000

I make it 200 with KK. Folded to the button who calls. SB folds and BB calls.

Flop (625) - Qd 9d 3s

BB leads for 300. I call (because I think the button will raise with one pair) but he just calls.

Turn (1,525) - 4c

BB checks and I bet 1,150. Button folds and the BB goes into the tank and eventually smooth calls.

River (3,825) - Th

BB leads for 1,800. Me??????

What would you do now? Did I let the size of the pot get out of control?

How did the button get his stack to 9k in the 1st level? This will have a bearing on how i play the hand

TheRock

Without knowing the players, I'm definitely raising the flop here against 2 players on a draw heavy board, probably make it 1000.
Might be happy to call v one player but not against 2.

Not sure if I call here now, very read dependent.
Think you were maybe too worried about pot control. I would have perferred to end the hand on the flop.

semibluff

that early in the tournie i wouldnt have gotten too fancy ie flat calling presuming button would re-raise. i think on the flop you have to see how strong the blinds hand is - a re raise would do this. i think if he is on a flush draw you are right to bet the turn (which he could easily be on) but unfortunately because of how the turn was played you are building a pot not know where he stands)
on river its really depends on your instinct, if his bet was bigger you might expect a missed flush, but i expect him to turn over Q10 here in my opinion (if not A10 flush draw - if your lucky) but i doubt it

Daithio

I can't remember where I read it but I remember thinking it was a good strategy in most cases. If somebody makes such a weak lead at the flop you should do whatever you would have done had they checked. ie, if you were going to bet the pot if it was checked to you then you should bet the pot now. I'd make it 1000 to go I think. The 300 lead is so often a draw, and if you get it heads up against a drawing hand here with position you're rarely going to lose many chips if the draw hits, and he might bluff his stack off to you if he misses.

On this flop the flat call by you is pretty bad IMO. It's 3 handed on a very draw heavy board, and you can never be certain the third player is going to raise.

As played I think you should bet more on the turn and I call the river bet 100%.

valor

Your line is fine and I call river

fuzzbox

valor wrote:

Your line is fine and I call river

what he said

DopeyLocks

i think ur confusing the macau weekly and an ept event!

Dopey

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would re-raise on flop, turn bet is fine, calling his bet on the river is a must all the time just unlucky if his drawing hand as hit.

The Clamper

1st of all
the fact that these 2 boys already amassed chips in level one tells me they are probably loose
so
your 1st bet should have been 250 or 275

they would have still called you,

when the flop is bet into you, this is when you shudda decided whether or not to continue in the hand
so its either fold like a wuss or raise and close it down to no more than 1 player
sounds like a fl draw maybe KJ d and that means he aint never folding regardless of bet size unless u move all in on the flop

so what would i do, knowing i am a rock, probably raise to 275 preflop, reraise the bet on the flop to 750 / 900 and see where you are, getting rid of at least 1 of them other 2 floaters

the turn has me bewildered for several reasons
1, i would have been surprised if there was 1 of them left in the hand
2, i would guess that he is still plumbing for his str8 or fl draw
3, he knows ur gonna bet but he doesnt reraise you (thats a worry)
4, is he calling coz he thinks ur at it, as usual, tho a bit earlier than normal for u

he thinks he can put u off the hand when he misses his fl on the river, which is a great bet by him, not too much, and pot comitting himself, just enough to knock u off a 1 pair hand or a top pair top kicker hand

this is where you make yourself look like a donkey or a genius

options
1, fold, say great bet or good hand, telling him you were at it or that u knew he had a monster
2, call and see his hand, he may even have 2 pair, but this is gambling
3, and this is the way i would go if he was still there, which i would doubt

i would say something like
"i dont believe you hit a straight, i think my set is good, so here you are now call that if you dont like chips, all in"
or i'd say "Bad timing my friend, All in"

chances are he will fold, and even if he doesnt, you were probably ahead so you win

tip for today
never make a call unless you think you could raise :cool:

Goodluck2me

The Clamper wrote:

tip for today
never make a call unless you think you could raise :cool:

dislike this advice tbh.

MisterMonkey

The Clamper wrote:

1st of all
the fact that these 2 boys already amassed chips in level one tells me they are probably loose
so
your 1st bet should have been 250 or 275

they would have still called you,

when the flop is bet into you, this is when you shudda decided whether or not to continue in the hand
so its either fold like a wuss or raise and close it down to no more than 1 player
sounds like a fl draw maybe KJ d and that means he aint never folding regardless of bet size unless u move all in on the flop

so what would i do, knowing i am a rock, probably raise to 275 preflop, reraise the bet on the flop to 750 / 900 and see where you are, getting rid of at least 1 of them other 2 floaters

the turn has me bewildered for several reasons
1, i would have been surprised if there was 1 of them left in the hand
2, i would guess that he is still plumbing for his str8 or fl draw
3, he knows ur gonna bet but he doesnt reraise you (thats a worry)
4, is he calling coz he thinks ur at it, as usual, tho a bit earlier than normal for u

he thinks he can put u off the hand when he misses his fl on the river, which is a great bet by him, not too much, and pot comitting himself, just enough to knock u off a 1 pair hand or a top pair top kicker hand

this is where you make yourself look like a donkey or a genius

options
1, fold, say great bet or good hand, telling him you were at it or that u knew he had a monster
2, call and see his hand, he may even have 2 pair, but this is gambling
3, and this is the way i would go if he was still there, which i would doubt

i would say something like
"i dont believe you hit a straight, i think my set is good, so here you are now call that if you dont like chips, all in"
or i'd say "Bad timing my friend, All in"

chances are he will fold, and even if he doesnt, you were probably ahead so you win

tip for today
never make a call unless you think you could raise :cool:

I dislike just about everything about this advice. how can you possibly even consider folding on the flop, i dont think there is a decent player in the world who could possibly conceive folding here. and your little blurbs at the end are embarrassingly transparent - why would you tell someone your hand before going all in. aside from that a better hand is all that will call you

valor

wow thats a very long, horrible post

phantom_lord

MisterMonkey wrote:

I dislike just about everything about that advice.

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phantom_lord

valor wrote:

wow thats a very long, horrible post

your foil?

valor

lol, perhaps