Best Lyricist in Hip-Hop!

Beefeater

I know the topic has come up before but cant see it as a thread anywhere.
Anyway i would have to say Canibus, just some of the most amazing things anyone could ever hope to hear.i mean poet laureate ii-fantastic.
After i would give mentions to Wordsworth, Rakim, SAge Francis, GZA, Nas

CJhaughey

Krs-1

Orizio

CJhaughey wrote:

Krs-1

KRS-One has always been quite simple and a little repetitive lyrically imo.

Boots Riley deserves a special mention.'Me And Jesus The Pimp In A '79 Granada Last Night' is one of the greatest story driven tracks you'll ever hear.

Beefeater

Ya always thought krs was a little simple in his ryhmes-that doesnt mean he's bad by any account, its just with Canibus and others the vocab, multi's metahphors etc are more skilled in my opinion. ya that song from boots riley is class but would u really have him as a best lyricist?

BUCK 65..and sage francis..but BUCK 65!!

Raekwon

I think Ras Kass is the best lyricist in hip hop right now.

Canibus is also an amazing lyricist, it is a crying shame that the production on most of his tracks is way below his skills.

Ay Cee

It's all about Rakim and has been for years!

mcsmohil

bigge smalls

spacecoyote

pharoahe monche is definitely up there with the best of them, as is black thought

Beefeater

Wouldnt have Biggie up there. Pharoahe Monch yeah, hes one of the most skilled out there, Black Thought's good but not up at the top imo. I'll tell u who was good there a few years back-Diverse. that album one a.m was very lyrical. Has anyone heard that Canibus verse for Jedi MT on Tibetan Black Magicians -

"Discombobulate prostates re-hydrate dry lakes, Wipe Ammonium Nitrate across the side of ya face, Anthropomorph, illogically speaking I’m out of ya league, Who can match the Bident with my top speed, Scourge of the Earth, verses are merged into dirt, Heart line is flat lined through the therapy era, Sentences go through re-synthesis, I leave em looking "Bleaker" than "Memphis", Without "Rockefella" membership, Don’t be an optimist and try to rock with Bis, You end up in an iced-out sarcophagus".

Anyone able to start a poll maybe

Ay Cee

No mention of Gift of Gab?!
Canibus is definitely skilled but he does tend to talk a whole dose of sh1t lately.

Big Pun

Round here they call me big pun,
hit you with the big guns,


You know i'm the man, chulas!

Beefeater

Ay Cee wrote:

No mention of Gift of Gab?!
Canibus is definitely skilled but he does tend to talk a whole dose of sh1t lately.

ya hip hop for sale is supposed to be ****e, but i think with the rebirth of hip hop he could resurrect himself(sorry for the pun). As for Gift of Gab, ya hes v.good-i mean alphabet aerobics is genius. Big Pun was a brilliant lyricist in fairness

Nas For His Storytelling
2pac for his poetic style
Ice Cube For His Major MC Skills (Predator & Death Certificate)

CorkMan

Big L

wassup Boo how you do?
I've been watching you when you don't have a clue and this ain't nothing new,
come to my crib i've got a beatiuful view,
and a heart shaped water bed made for two.

Big Pun

CorkMan wrote:

Big L

wassup Boo how you do?
I've been watching you when you don't have a clue and this ain't nothing new,
come to my crib i've got a beatiuful view,
and a heart shaped water bed made for two.

eh....

Ready for war Joe, how you wanna blow they spot
I know these dirty cops that'll get us in if we murder some wop.
Hop in your Hummer, the Punisher's ready; meet me at Beatles'
with Noodles, we'll do this dude while he's slurpin spaghetti.
Everybody kiss the ****in floor, Joey Crack, buck em all,
If they move, Noodles shoot that ****in whore,
Dead in the middle of Little Italy little did we know
that we riddled some middleman who didn't do diddily

CorkMan

Big l be lightin niggas like incense
Gettin men lynched to win tits
Im killin infants for ten cents
Cause Im a street genius with a unique penis
Got fly chicks on my dick that dont even speak english
Im makin ducks shed much tears
I buck queers
I dont have it all upstairs but who the **** cares?
Im grabbin brews takin fast swiggas
I get cash and stash figures and harass them bitch ass niggas
After you youre gonna get scared next
And if ya squad flex
Im lettin off like bernard getts
A tech nine is my utensil
Fillin niggas with so much led they can use they dick for a pencil
Im known for snatchin purses and bombin churches
I get more pussy on accident then most niggas get on purpose
I got drug spots from new york to canada
Cause big l be ****in with more keys than a janitor:D

Orizio

Pun didn't get the chance to have the longevity essential for such a title.As all round lyricists,Canibus and Ras Kass don't really come into the equation, they have exceptional wordplay but the likes of Nas,Boots Riley and the GZA have that and a lot more.

Those three are the holy trinity of lyricism imo.I'd put the likes of P Monch, Black Thought, AZ, Andre 3000, BIG, Kool G Rap and even Rakim behind that three.

Ay Cee

M!Ck^ wrote:

Ice Cube For His Major MC Skills (Predator & Death Certificate)

I'd rate Lethal Injection as Cube's best. It would have a very good chance of making it into my Top 10.

Who'd have thought the man behind Cave Bitch would one day go on to to make kiddy films

Pun's debut album is great as are his guest verses. Anything after that though

Makaveli

A Liquid Swords era GZA would get my vote. Last album was a bit weak though. Inspectah Deck, although perhaps not good enough to be best lyricist should certainly be considered for most under-rated lyricist.

Hagakure_irl

Hmm GZA again, also agreeing with a Liquid swords era, inspectah Deck(listen to his verse on triumph), Black Thought, M-1 and Stic man from dead prez

also i don't think anyone mentioned him...i probably missed it but KillahPriest writes some seriously deep stuff, hes notorious for philosophical rhymes.

Or Big L....


all are good and unique in their own way.

Orizio

M1 and Stic.man have to be two of the most overrated MC's in Hip-Hop.

Lyrically there nowhere in this discussion,and seem to get a pass for their racism and inability on the mic because they are 'political'.Compare them to Chuck D,Boots and Immortal Technique for example.

Inspectah Deck has some incredible work definitely.Killah Priest and J-live have both written some brilliant verses.Andre 3000 has dozens of quotables from Aquamini and ATLiens.The Gizah and Muggs collab was pretty strong imo Makaveli.

Hagakure_irl

Hmmm suppose i could agree you... and comparing them to yea the likes of Chuck D..well there isn't really a comparison Chuck D and the others win hands down.

but thinking about it some more, i would put the Gza as a my number...his voice is clear and crisp always, the way he delievers his lyrics, his flow everything about him makes him stand out that bit more...

Makaveli

Orizio wrote:

The Gizah and Muggs collab was pretty strong imo Makaveli.

Completely forgot about that. Was refferring to Legend of the Liquid Swords when I meant his last album.

Big Pun

CorkMan wrote:

Big l be lightin niggas like incense
Gettin men lynched to win tits
Im killin infants for ten cents
Cause Im a street genius with a unique penis
Got fly chicks on my dick that dont even speak english
Im makin ducks shed much tears
I buck queers
I dont have it all upstairs but who the **** cares?
Im grabbin brews takin fast swiggas
I get cash and stash figures and harass them bitch ass niggas
After you youre gonna get scared next
And if ya squad flex
Im lettin off like bernard getts
A tech nine is my utensil
Fillin niggas with so much led they can use they dick for a pencil
Im known for snatchin purses and bombin churches
I get more pussy on accident then most niggas get on purpose
I got drug spots from new york to canada
Cause big l be ****in with more keys than a janitor:D

Touche

Evzer

Dead prez are legends. Dont understand people getting offended at their supposed racism to be honest.

Raekwon

Orizio wrote:

As all round lyricists, Canibus and Ras Kass don't really come into the equation

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion obviously, but this thread is called 'Best Lyricist in Hip-Hop' and you dismissing two of the finest lyricists in hip hop is just madness.

Lyricists are judged on their vocab, flow, delivery and diversity. Would you agree? So you are basically saying that Ras Kass & Canibus fall short in all of these aspects?

I think that you will find that they would both be in most true hip-hop heads *top 5 without even breaking sweat.

*(Rakim, Gza & Pharoahe Monch would also be in the mix with Aesop Rock, Juru Da Damaja & Talib Kweli giving them a run for their money).

Orizio

Raekwon wrote:

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion obviously, but this thread is called 'Best Lyricist in Hip-Hop' and you dismissing two of the finest lyricists in hip hop is just madness.

Lyricists are judged on their vocab, flow, delivery and diversity. Would you agree? So you are basically saying that Ras Kass & Canibus fall short in all of these aspects?
I think that you will find that they would both be in most true hip-hop heads *top 5 without even breaking sweat.

*(Rakim, Gza & Pharoahe Monch would also be in the mix with Aesop Rock, Juru Da Damaja & Talib Kweli giving them a run for their money).

Yes, very clearly that is what I'm saying.Their delivery on the mic is nothing special and what exactly has either down in the last 10 years?Nothing other than getting locked up and releasing utterly ****e mixtapes/albums.As I said exceptional wordplay, very little else.

As for that 'true' Hip-Hop heads remark, putting those two in your 'top 5' shows you haven't been listening to enough Hip-Hop.

Seaneh

Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Chali 2NA, Nas, Prozack Turner,Abdominal,d-sisive, Nick and oak from lexicon Guru... lots and lots...

You can't pick one "best lyricist" because there are so many.

Orizio

Evzer wrote:

Dead prez are legends. Dont understand people getting offended at their supposed racism to be honest.

Legends?They've released two albums, one of which was rubbish and the other deemed a 'classic' on the strength of a couple of good tracks.They are average lyrically and seem to hate their fanbase.

Raekwon

Orizio wrote:

Yes, very clearly that is what I'm saying. Their delivery on the mic is nothing special and what exactly has either down in the last 10 years?Nothing other than getting locked up and releasing utterly ****e mixtapes/albums.As I said exceptional wordplay, very little else.

As for that 'true' Hip-Hop heads remark, putting those two in your 'top 5' shows you haven't been listening to enough Hip-Hop.

^^^ This from the same guy who called Kanye West's 'Late Registration' a classic :rolleyes:

Anyway, It is quite clear that you don't know what you are talking about. Both Canibus & Ras Kass have execllent word play that is complement by their delivery & flow, making them excellent MC's. (See the connection?)

Anyway your argument that they haven't released decent material in a few years holds no water. What has Nas released since Illmatic that was any way decent? Or Kool G Rap? Or AZ? Or any in your 'Holy Trinity of Lyricism'?

Seaneh

I'm not a kanye fan but i'd say late reg is, in this day and age, a mainstream classic.

I think college drop out is a much stronger album though.

Orizio

^^^ This from the same guy who called Kanye West's 'Late Registration' a classic :rolleyes:

A better album then either Canibus and Ras have made surely?;)

Anyway, It is quite clear that you don't know what you are talking about. Both Canibus & Ras Kass have execllent word play that is complement by their delivery & flow, making them excellent MC's. (See the connection?)

I said they have exceptional wordplay, but I'd like you to tell me whats so good about their deliveries?

I actually like both Ras and Canibus, even if they are wastes of talent,they are good MC's.But lets not elevate them to Nas/Rakim status ok?There are dozrens od superior MC's and artists out there.

Anyway your argument that they haven't released decent material in a few years holds no water. What has Nas released since Illmatic that was any way decent? Or Kool G Rap? Or AZ? Or any in your 'Holy Trinity of Lyricism'?

GZA and The Coup's last albums were both excellent.Nas and Kool G have at least 4 acknowledged classic albums between them.Canibus and Ras Kass,outside of Ras' debut and Rip The Jacker, have never made anyting assembling a good album, nevermind a classic.

Beefeater

Orizio wrote:

A better album then either Canibus and Ras have made surely?;)

I wont bother arguing for Ras Kass as i havent heard enough material but some of his lyricism from his debut is superb. I dont mind Kanye either although i think he's a barrel of contradictions..he has made two pretty good albums all the same. Canibus' Rip the Jacker and Mic Club Curriculum are both better.

Orizio wrote:

I said they have exceptional wordplay, but I'd like you to tell me whats so good about their deliveries?.

As said, Canibus' flow is excellent and his use of multi's is fairly astounding. he has the ability to sound venomous most of the time.

Orizio wrote:

I actually like both Ras and Canibus, even if they are wastes of talent,they are good MC's.But lets not elevate them to Nas/Rakim status ok?There are dozrens od superior MC's and artists out there.

I wouldnt particularly say Canibus is a waste of talent, just a sad victim of the rap game really. his beat selection is also questinable to say the least. but comparing him to NAs and Rakim is unfair cause they came out at a time when people actually bought proper hip hop. while nearly everyone knows who they are, nobody really knows who Canibus even is.

Orizio wrote:

GZA and The Coup's last albums were both excellent.Nas and Kool G have at least 4 acknowledged classic albums between them.Canibus and Ras Kass,outside of Ras' debut and Rip The Jacker, have never made anyting assembling a good album, nevermind a classic.

On one listen dont like Coups last but we'll see...Rip the Jacker is classic...but then again i said BEST LYRICIST, NOT BEST ARTIST!!!

Raekwon

Orizio wrote:

A better album then either Canibus and Ras have made surely?

Surely? I think not :rolleyes:

Orizio wrote:

I actually like both Ras and Canibus, even if they are wastes of talent,they are good MC's.But lets not elevate them to Nas/Rakim status ok?There are dozrens od superior MC's and artists out there.

Beefeater made a very valid point in regards Canibus' apparent 'waste of talent'.

In the case of Ras Kass, I don't think he is a waste of talent at all, he was just off the radar because of a major dispute with his record company and his third & forth studio albums got shelved (so unlike Nas, he didn't bendover for the rc ). Then because of the impending lawsuits he was unable to release a mainstream album for nearly nearly 7 years.

Plus the fact that he has collaborated with artists such as Rza, Pharoahe Monch, Talib Kweli & Nas / producers such as DJ Premier, Dr. Dre, Hi-Tek & 9thWonder to name but a few.............kinda speaks for itself.

Orizio wrote:

GZA and The Coup's last albums were both excellent.Nas and Kool G have at least 4 acknowledged classic albums between them.Canibus and Ras Kass,outside of Ras' debut and Rip The Jacker, have never made anyting assembling a good album, nevermind a classic.

Okay Gza is an amazing lyricist and his sole album & work on Wu albums has been excellent, but apart from that he has been nowhere near classic album status (and that includes all his various colabo's with Muggs). Coup is not my cup of tea, Boots Riley has skill but elevating him to such lofty heights as 'Best Lyricist in Hip Hop' is ridiculous. As for Nas & Kool G Rap, Illmatic and Roots of Evil are both classic albums................but other then that :rolleyes: Okay 'Half A Klip' could be something special (particularly with Premier on-board) but 'Hip Hop is Dead' is a horrible album!

Beefeater wrote:

On one listen dont like Coups last but we'll see...Rip the Jacker is classic...but then again i said BEST LYRICIST, NOT BEST ARTIST!!!

Touché

Ay Cee

There's a difference between flow & delivery. Neither Ras Kass or Canibus come any where near to having a decent flow, good delivery though. When I think of rappers with good flow, two that immediately spring to mind are the likes of Method Man and Ludacris.

What's all this multi stuff?! I've never heard of it anywhere bar on the net.

Orizio

I wont bother arguing for Ras Kass as i havent heard enough material but some of his lyricism from his debut is superb. I dont mind Kanye either although i think he's a barrel of contradictions..he has made two pretty good albums all the same. Canibus' Rip the Jacker and Mic Club Curriculum are both better.

Its all opinion, sadly the sales and media reviews towards Kanye's albums suggest they were indeed classics.

As said, Canibus' flow is excellent and his use of multi's is fairly astounding. he has the ability to sound venomous most of the time.

The problem is he has one flow,absolutely no flexibility delivery wise.This coupled with his pretty awful choice in beats and reliance on battel raps makes his stuff quite repetitive.

I wouldnt particularly say Canibus is a waste of talent, just a sad victim of the rap game really. his beat selection is also questinable to say the least. but comparing him to NAs and Rakim is unfair cause they came out at a time when people actually bought proper hip hop. while nearly everyone knows who they are, nobody really knows who Canibus even is.

They don't know who Canibus is because his debut was a huge disapointment and most of his catalogue is trash.He doesn't know beats and can't do hooks,all this from someone once seen as the second coming of Rakim.Huge waste considering what was expected of him.

Orizio

In the case of Ras Kass, I don't think he is a waste of talent at all,

A quick glance at his ctalogue and output suggests otherwise.Its not an understatement to say that he has the worst beat choice of any rapper, he has done nothing for the last 5 years outside of getting jailed and taking it up the arse from his reord label.

Plus the fact that he has collaborated with artists such as Rza, Pharoahe Monch, Talib Kweli & Nas / producers such as DJ Premier, Dr. Dre, Hi-Tek & 9thWonder to name but a few.............kinda speaks for itself.

Not really sure what this has to do with his ability on the mic and lyricism really.

Okay Gza is an amazing lyricist and his sole album & work on Wu albums has been excellent, but apart from that he has been nowhere near classic album status (and that includes all his various colabo's with Muggs). Coup is not my cup of tea, Boots Riley has skill but elevating him to such lofty heights as 'Best Lyricist in Hip Hop' is ridiculous.

Not at all.Listen to 'Me An Jesus The Pimp In A '79 Granada Last Night' and tell me that isn't the best storytelling track you have ever heard.He actually has a strong presence and delivery on the mic as well, unlike Ras who relies completely on his wordplay.Ras' delivery is 'adequate' at best.

As for Nas & Kool G Rap, Illmatic and Roots of Evil are both classic albums................but other then that :rolleyes: Okay 'Half A Klip' could be something special (particularly with Premier on-board) but 'Hip Hop is Dead' is a horrible album!

Have you actually listened to both Nas and Kool G Rap's back catalogues?What of IWW and The Lost Tapes?Kool G's first two albums are widely seen as classics.As I said at least 4 classics between them, and thats four more then Bus and Ras have now or will ever have.

Raekwon

Orizio wrote:

A quick glance at his ctalogue and output suggests otherwise.Its not an understatement to say that he has the worst beat choice of any rapper, he has done nothing for the last 5 years outside of getting jailed and taking it up the arse from his reord label.

I think that you are mixing Ras Kass up with Canibus. As I said before Ras has worked with some of the best producers around and has some really nice beats to complement his excellent lyrics. Saying that he has the worst beat choice of any rapper is utter nonsense.

Also please explain how he took it up the arse from his record company? They pushed back his third studio album because it was leaked onto the interweb (to critically acclaim I might add!) then after a conflict over the choice of first single for his forth album, it was shelved indefinitely. Seems to me that he refused to bend over.

Orizio wrote:

Not at all.Listen to 'Me An Jesus The Pimp In A '79 Granada Last Night' and tell me that isn't the best storytelling track you have ever heard.He actually has a strong presence and delivery on the mic as well, unlike Ras who relies completely on his wordplay.Ras' delivery is 'adequate' at best.

It seems that you are contradicting yourself. One of your arguments for dismissing Ras Kass was because he hasn't released anything mainstream in years (a poor back catalogue as you put it), yet you are now talking about one track that is 9 years old. If you want to compare tracks then what about Ras Kass' 'Interview with a Vampire' & 'Nature of the Threat'?

Orizio wrote:

Have you actually listened to both Nas and Kool G Rap's back catalogues?What of IWW and The Lost Tapes?Kool G's first two albums are widely seen as classics.As I said at least 4 classics between them, and thats four more then Bus and Ras have now or will ever have.

Of course I have, but this is all about opinions. IMO after Nas sold out to the record company (after Illmatic) he has not released a classic album to date (Stillmatic & The Lost Tapes included). But you are missing the point here completely, like the OP already stated, this thread is about the *"BEST LYRICIST, NOT BEST ARTIST"!!!

*Record sales mean nothing here. If they did then your favourite Kayne West would be perched up pretty high.

Evzer

Rass kass's newest "street" (whatever that means) album 'eat or die' is quite good. A bit more mainstream then his usual stuff but some great songs on there

Orizio

I think that you are mixing Ras Kass up with Canibus.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As I said before Ras has worked with some of the best producers around and has some really nice beats to complement his excellent lyrics. Saying that he has the worst beat choice of any rapper is utter nonsense.

I can count the amount of good beats that Ras has rhymed over on both my hands.If you think albums like Rassassination or his debut were well produced then I can only assume you don't listen to a lot well produced rap.Besides his work with the likes of 9th eonder is far from stellar.

Also please explain how he took it up the arse from his record company? They pushed back his third studio album because it was leaked onto the interweb (to critically acclaim I might add!) then after a conflict over the choice of first single for his forth album, it was shelved indefinitely. Seems to me that he refused to bend over.

No it seems losing almost complete control of your career to your record company and then getting jailed pointlessly is testament to how much Priority owns Ras' ass.

It seems that you are contradicting yourself. One of your arguments for dismissing Ras Kass was because he hasn't released anything mainstream in years (a poor back catalogue as you put it), yet you are now talking about one track that is 9 years old. If you want to compare tracks then what about Ras Kass' 'Interview with a Vampire' & 'Nature of the Threat'?

Nature of the Threat is terribly produced gibberish, a snorefest and historically inaccurate in practicallyeveryway.'Interview With A Vampire' is strong lyrically but again the production is apalling.

Of course nowhere have I contradicted myself, Boots keeps steadily releasing high quality albums both lyrically and artistically while Ras keeps doing whatever it is Ras does these days.;)

Of course I have, but this is all about opinions. IMO after Nas sold out to the record company (after Illmatic) he has not released a classic album to date (Stillmatic & The Lost Tapes included). But you are missing the point here completely, like the OP already stated, this thread is about the *"BEST LYRICIST, NOT BEST ARTIST"!!!

He is neither, besides you orignially started talking about Nas' back catalogue.You know full well Ras career as an artist is a joke and practically finshed so I can understand that you don't want to go into it.BTW saying Nas sold out and then defending Ras is hilarious.What was he doing with that yacht in his video for Ghetto Fabolous again?Ras even admitted he was a sell out.:rolleyes:

Beefeater

Alrite, the topic at this stage really has turned to "best artist". Now with best lyricist, I dont know how flow and delivery really came into it, not to mind whats being discussed now. I think Canibus is a great lyricist, good enough artist- even with most his battle raps he brings a philosophical view into the equation which most rappers cant and he has rapped about many topics. Ras Kass from what i hear alot of places sold out...i did see some video where xzibit makes a cameo- the clubby beat and wathered down lyrics. but i cant properly comment as im not too familiar with his catalogue. but all this is irrelevant to BEST LYRICIST. To me Canibus does check all the boxes. great use of alliteration, assonance, multi syllables, vocab and some of his lines can blow you away. for rappers such as wordsworth,rakim, gza, nas(illmatic only i would say) i would say the same. boots riley i havent listened much to but havent been blown away to be honest. heres something interesting, what about Masta Ace?

Danny

Talib Kweli, Prozack Turner and Nas now that`s he`s back on form

spacecoyote

yeah was gonna mention Masta Ace, he checks most of the boxes required to be classed as one of the best MCs of all time

charlesquinn

I understand that Saul Williams doesn't exactly check all the boxes which define your regular MC, but some of the lyrics he writes are painfully beautiful.

"..and as heart beats bring percussions
fallen trees bring reprocussions..
citys play upon our souls like broken drums
redrum the essence of creation from city slums..
but city slums mute our drums and our drums become humdrum
cuz city slums have never been where our drums are from..
just the place where our daughters and sons become..
offbeat heartbeats..
slaves to city streets..
and hearts get broken and heartbeats stop
broken heartbeats become breakbeats for niggas to rhyme on top, but..

I won't rhyme on top no tracks
niggas on a chain gang used to do that. way back"

Beefeater

yes Saul is quite simply brilliant, but more so as an artist.he probably is one of the best lyricist's out there too. Amethyst Rockstar is simply the definition of art. his verse from "Wine" is beautiful.

Raekwon

Orizio wrote:

I can count the amount of good beats that Ras has rhymed over on both my hands.If you think albums like Rassassination or his debut were well produced then I can only assume you don't listen to a lot well produced rap.Besides his work with the likes of 9th eonder is far from stellar.

Soul on Ice and Rassassination were both hailed by both hip-hop fans and critics on their release, and righlty so, the lyrical content in both was outstanding. Plus you have to remember this was at a time that the vast majority of west coast artist were submersed in g-funk and gangsta rap. So major props to Ras for coming out with a style that was completely different.

[Off topic:] You talk about beats, yet still hail Nas. Outside of Illmatic, he releases a few well produced singles from his following albums but the rest lacked depth and substance with 'less then stellar' production by the likes of Track Masters and Diddy.[/off topic]

Orizio wrote:

No it seems losing almost complete control of your career to your record company and then getting jailed pointlessly is testament to how much Priority owns Ras' ass.

And that makes him a bad lyrist in your eyes? :rolleyes:

Orizio wrote:

Nature of the Threat is terribly produced gibberish, a snorefest and historically inaccurate in practicallyeveryway.'Interview With A Vampire' is strong lyrically but again the production is apalling.

So this thread has turned from 'Best Lyricist' (which you constantly ignore) into 'Best Artist' (which you think the thread is about) now into 'Best Production'

Orizio wrote:

Of course nowhere have I contradicted myself, Boots keeps steadily releasing high quality albums both lyrically and artistically while Ras keeps doing whatever it is Ras does these days.;)

Yeah, in your opinion

Orizio wrote:

He is neither, besides you orignially started talking about Nas' back catalogue.You know full well Ras career as an artist is a joke and practically finshed so I can understand that you don't want to go into it.BTW saying Nas sold out and then defending Ras is hilarious.What was he doing with that yacht in his video for Ghetto Fabolous again?Ras even admitted he was a sell out.:rolleyes:

Eh, it was actually you who started about Nas' back catalogue and claimed how he, together with Kool G Rap, had 4 acknowledgeable classic albums between them.

So Ras admitted he was a sell out? Any proof of this? :rolleyes: How do you know that 'Ghetto Fabulous' was not a piss take? Ras has always been underground, plus if you listened to any of Ras Kass' material you will notice that he constantly takes the piss out of main stream rap.

For the record, everyone knows that after Illmatic Nas sold out on request of his record company, hence my comparison to him after you originally commented on Ras getting screwed by his record company.

gamb1or

Beefeater wrote:

nas(illmatic only i would say)

:rolleyes: I hate when people say shyt like this. Its a total myth that nas fell of lyrically after illmatic.

His greatest song lyrically is undying love, released in 99.

Nas is the answer to this topic.

gamb1or

Makaveli wrote:

Was refferring to Legend of the Liquid Swords when I meant his last album.

I quite like that album,only track i don't like is rough cut...can't believe RZA produced such trash.

I'd advise you to give the album another spin especially "Fame", "Fam Members Only", "Autobio", "Silent", "Highway Robbery"

gamb1or

Raekwon wrote:

Soul on Ice and Rassassination were both hailed by both hip-hop fans and critics on their release.

The former was the latter was in its arse

Beefeater

gamb1or wrote:

:rolleyes: I hate when people say shyt like this. Its a total myth that nas fell of lyrically after illmatic.

His greatest song lyrically is undying love, released in 99.

Nas is the answer to this topic.

Nas on talent is a great lyricist(sure why do you think i mentioned him amongst a few). I think we can all agree that Nas sold out (ie. Nastradamous, havent heard the new one. he claims to be real but still still loves the bling, is planning a reality tv show for f*ck sake). he's still a good lyricist but he did dumb it down a little so his dollars would double as Jigga would say.

In relation to Rass Kass, i have heard Rassasination is total crap